#1
Okay so I've been thinking about a new guitar and I'm really pretty stuck. I'm looking for a good punk sound with some bite and growl and the distortion I get from my current guitars are just a little smooth.

I'm thinking maybe a telecaster (I've seen a lot of punk guys use them) or something with P90's. I really love P90's but I'm struggling to find many guitars with them equipped.

So far I've come up with a few options:

Fender Telecaster MIM Standard

Gibson Les Paul Melody Maker

Fender Pawn Shop 70's Strat Deluxe

I really like the Melody Maker but a few things worry me, I've heard about issues with tuning stability, the wraparound bridge has intonation issues and I don't know if the neck is going to be really thick.

I'd like to get a Gibson SG or LP really or perhaps a PRS but I'm open to all suggestions. My Budget is around £400-£700

I'm in the UK so no overseas dealers please
#2
If you like P90s, have a look at this guitar. It is out of production but you might be able to find one used in the UK for about 700BP. They sold for about $850 in Canada in 2012.

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Les-Paul-Studio-60s-Tribute.aspx

The Fender Pawn Shop series is great - but some guitars in the series feature the vintage style truss rod adjustment which is located in where the neck meets the guitar body. Some are not like the modern necks where the TR adjustment is located at the headstock and easily accessed.
#3
Quote by JustGuitar98
Okay so I've been thinking about a new guitar and I'm really pretty stuck. I'm looking for a good punk sound with some bite and growl and the distortion I get from my current guitars are just a little smooth.

I'm thinking maybe a telecaster (I've seen a lot of punk guys use them) or something with P90's. I really love P90's but I'm struggling to find many guitars with them equipped.

(edit)
My Budget is around £400-£700

I'm in the UK so no overseas dealers please

Well, the answer to the unasked question- "How do I get more bite & growl in my distorted tones?"- may well lie in your amp and pedal choices. What's in your current rig?

As for guitars, I can think of two very solid options in your price range for P90 equipped guitars in the UK: your own local brand, Fret-King and the USA brand, Reverend. Both lines have significant numbers of quality axes that I have no problem recommending- I own 3 Reverends and imported a Fret-King to Texas sight unseen from Frets Guitar Centre. I want more of each brand, too.

(And, FWIW, their non-P90 guitars kick ass too.)

http://www.vintageandmodernguitars.co.uk/reverendboltonneckguitars.html http://www.vintageandmodernguitars.co.uk/reverendsetneckguitars.html
http://www.vintageandmodernguitars.co.uk/reverendsignatureguitars.html

http://fret-king.com/black-label.html
http://fret-king.com/blue-label.html
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#4
I bought a Gibson Les Paul LPJ last week and that has nice bite on cleans and sounds thick distorted. The main issue with single coils (inc. P90s) is that they sound way too thin with gain so make sure you are happy with the driven sounds before you buy it.
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Quote by dannyalcatraz
Well, the answer to the unasked question- "How do I get more bite & growl in my distorted tones?"- may well lie in your amp and pedal choices. What's in your current rig?

As for guitars, I can think of two very solid options in your price range for P90 equipped guitars in the UK: your own local brand, Fret-King and the USA brand, Reverend. Both lines have significant numbers of quality axes that I have no problem recommending- I own 3 Reverends and imported a Fret-King to Texas sight unseen from Frets Guitar Centre. I want more of each brand, too.

(And, FWIW, their non-P90 guitars kick ass too.)

http://www.vintageandmodernguitars.co.uk/reverendboltonneckguitars.html http://www.vintageandmodernguitars.co.uk/reverendsetneckguitars.html
http://www.vintageandmodernguitars.co.uk/reverendsignatureguitars.html

http://fret-king.com/black-label.html
http://fret-king.com/blue-label.html



As for my gear, my current guitar that I use for punk is an Epi LP Custom, everything stock. I'm playing through my Marshall AVT150. No pedals because I get the effects from my amp (I only use chorus and reverb) Is there some sort pedal that would help me get a bit more growl? That would be great!
#6
^ You're going to get a lot of people saying you should really get a new amp.

What type(s) of music do you play?

There are some good deals around currently on those Blue Label Fretkings danny linked to- I've only tried the Fender models, though, but they do one with a P90 in the bridge if you sort of want to hedge your bets on whether you want a p90 type of tone or a more fendery type of single coil tone. They also do a tele/strat hybrid which is quite nice and which again would let you hedge your bets between the tele/strat thing (which is nice if you're trying to cover as much ground as possible with as few guitars as possible). They also do a Gibson les paul special-type model, and a firebirdy type of thing with p90s, neither of which I've tried. Anyway, those fender models can often be pickup up for around £300 new on Ebay (from dealers/business sellers), though they're often new old stock/ex demo models.

That'd leave enough for a good (probably tube) amp as well, which will likely improve your tone more than a guitar will- but if you know you want a p90 type tone or tele tone and don't currently have that style of guitar or pickup, a new amp won't provide that either so that's why "both!" is worth considering, as long as you don't have to spread your budget so thin that you end up with a mediocre (or worse) guitar *and* amp, rather than one good guitar or amp (and I think your budget is big enough that that's not the case, as long as you pick carefully).

Quote by Pacifica Ocean
The main issue with single coils (inc. P90s) is that they sound way too thin with gain


No, not including p90s (apart from maybe underwound ones). P90s, at least moderately hot ones on up, sound thick more or less like humbuckers do. Just they're not noiseless, and are a bit rawer- and grittier-sounding compared to the smoother- and more refined-sounding humbuckers.

IMO, anyway. I agree with you when it comes to Fender-style single coils (though even they probably get less bad in that respect as their power goes up).
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#7
I'm not about to replace my amp, I understand what you're saying about tubes but it's not completely solid state, it has "valvestate technology". I get great sounds from it but just not enough grit.
#8
it's pretty much 95% solid state

i had one

i don't have it any more. and i never sell anything i buy
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#9
Hmmmmmmm...................


You should replace your amp. Get one beast, versatile amp. Then buy hundreds of guitars.
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#10
Quote by JustGuitar98
As for my gear, my current guitar that I use for punk is an Epi LP Custom, everything stock. I'm playing through my Marshall AVT150. No pedals because I get the effects from my amp (I only use chorus and reverb) Is there some sort pedal that would help me get a bit more growl? That would be great!

They beat me to it, but to amplify (*ahem*) the point, a decent, honest-to-goodness tube amp- or better SS amp- will give you more of the tonal character you seek.

Depending on what amp you get, adding a quality (not necessarily expensive) distortion and or overdrive pedal to your board will ALSO help you out.

And as Dave_Mc rightly points out, neither the amp or pedal selection will provide the tonal characteristics of a particular kind of pickup.

Pickup selection, though, is more of a fine tuning your tone thing- the amp and pedals shape your sound in more obvious ways.

So the ideal solution is: upgrade your amp, buy a couple pedals, and find a guitar you like.

In less than ideal situations, I'd actually buy based on what I can get a good deal on at any given time.* So if I see a good deal on an an axe I like, I'd get it first. But if I got a good offer on my amp while finding a good deal on its replacement, I'd jump on that first.


* assuming, of course! that you didn't actually need to replace something that was in bad condition. Replacing bad/broken gear gets first budgetary priority, IMHO.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Jul 9, 2014,
#11
^ Agreed. (Though I'd say switching to a totally different pickup type is pretty noticeable.)

Apart from that pun. That's bad, even by my standards*.


* Yes I know I have no standards.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#12
Instead of a new amp you could consider a modelling amp or something like the Line 6 HD500. Then you could have a lot of pedal/amp combinations to try for a somewhat reasonable cost.