#1
Hey guys im looking to a buy a guitar within the 1100 dollar price range

currently looking at the charvel san dimas and the prs custom 24se(possibly will get the one with the floyd)

just wondering which you guys think was maybe better for the money.

and also if anyone has experience with both of these necks and which do they like more?

im into playing blues/rock/jazz and metal. im a sucker for those hot tones
#2
oooo tough. both are amazing guitars. the charvel has some classic pups right? like a JB and a Jazz? fairly versatile. PRS pups seem to be very versatile but from my opinion have a "prs tonality" to them. i would try em out and make sure you like the heavier tones coming out of the guitar.

personally, i like the satin or oil rubbed neck of charvels. very nice touch and its what i want on a guitar. PRS does it, but it seems like 75% of thier guitars have the painted necks.

on the flip side, i have smaller hands and at times i think stretches on a 25.5 scale is too much. 25 is just right. so perhaps that wins me over but thats a personal problem.

i think the charvel will most likely have jumbos. prs may or may not have medium jumbos.

im not much of a strat guy. that on top of the 25.5 i think i would most likely end up going with the PRS personally. if the charvel was 25 scale or had some form on 24.75 conversion neck on it, and it wait aiming more at the gainer side of stuff, i think the charvel may be a great toy for me. if i had to pick only one, PRS.
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#3
If your in the USA, get a used PRS CE24/22 they are USA made PRS guitars that are identical to the custom 22/24 but they have a bolt-thru maple neck
Here is a Ce24 for $1099 www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PRS-CE24-ROYAL-BLUE-W-CASE-110103403-i3744151.gc

If your fine with 22 frets, here is one for $899
www.guitarcenter.com/PRS-Used-PRS-CE22-Candy-Apple-Red-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar-110118088-i3772431.gc

I've had a CE22 for 10+ yrs and it is a very good guitar.
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#4
located in the uk unfortunately posted in dollars as i see this forum is primarily us
#5
If you're in the UK those Japanese-made Charvels which Richtone has somehow managed to find are going to be very, very hard to beat for £600, at least new.

There are also some of those EVH Japanese-made guitars for £700, I haven't tried them, though. Word on the street is they're made in the same factory as the Charvels I mentioned. No case, though, and no duncans. But presumably of similar quality other than that, if you don't mind a signature model.

I haven't tried the SE custom 24 floyd, and to be fair it's a good while since I've tried the SEs, but based on the ones I have tried, I'd have said the MIJ charvels (and the EVH, if the assumptions I've made are correct) would be a step up from them.

EDIT: No worries on posting the dollar thing, I understand why you did it, but just for future reference it's nomally better to post your local currency and/or your country, since if you post dollars people will assume you're american, and prices and availability varies by country
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#6
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If your in the USA, get a used PRS CE24/22 they are USA made PRS guitars that are identical to the custom 22/24 but they have a bolt-thru maple neck
Here is a Ce24 for $1099 www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-PRS-CE24-ROYAL-BLUE-W-CASE-110103403-i3744151.gc

If your fine with 22 frets, here is one for $899
www.guitarcenter.com/PRS-Used-PRS-CE22-Candy-Apple-Red-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar-110118088-i3772431.gc

I've had a CE22 for 10+ yrs and it is a very good guitar.



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#7
Quote by PWHITTEN
located in the uk unfortunately posted in dollars as i see this forum is primarily us

Actually my understanding is this is a Russian forum.

But go with DaveMC's suggestion or look for a used PRS CE in your area. Might be a long shot, but you might get lucky
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#8
^ Yeah russian I think

Used is a crapshoot, you can get some good deals (especially at the moment I think, I know on the fretboard forum (mainly UK-centric) people are always complaining about how little used gear goes for ) but it's very hard to advise because (a) it depends on whether the item is legit and/or in decent condition and more importantly (b) it's impossible to say what to look out for because you never know what's going to come up at a really good price- you can just get lucky, as you said, but we can't predict exactly how you're going to get lucky In the UK, though, Patrick Eggles might be worth a try. The older, pre-tiggle, ones are more sought-after. They're PRS-ish.
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#9
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#10
hmm strange to see so many backing the charvel more than the prs. i thought it would possibly be the otherway round. im so torn in two
#11
if you were talking about USA prses it'd be different. An SE is a different kettle of fish, like epiphone compared to gibson.
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#12
Easily the Charvel, especially if you can find a used MIJ one.
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#13
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hmm strange to see so many backing the charvel more than the prs. i thought it would possibly be the otherway round. im so torn in two

An MIJ Charvel will be a much better guitar than a PRS SE model. Ilke Dave said the SE like is quite different than the USA made PRS line.
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#14
and what about the new mim pro mod charvels compared to the mij? they have a few down my local store
#15
^ If you can try them, then do that. I haven't tried the MIMs, but most would normally say that MIJ is usually a step up from MIM. However, (presumably) the neck profiles etc. are broadly similar so it'll let you see if you like that style of guitar. Personally I'd get an MIJ, but it's of course up to you (plus as I said I haven't tried the MIMs so I may well be mistaken).

Bear in mind, with the Japanese ones the tremolos aren't recessed, and also the MIJ so cal models have dimarzios (tone zone and evo), not duncan distortions like the MIMs.

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Easily the Charvel, especially if you can find a used MIJ one.


A guitar shop here (richtone) has a bunch of the new MIJ ones currently (and a few more on order). No need to go used unless he wants to- they're under his budget already, even new.
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#16
would you guys say the charvel san dimas/so cal is the best all rounder good guitar at this price point?
#17
or would there be anything else at all you could reccomend. that being said the charvel looks fantastic but just wondering if any other options?
#18
ibanez prestiges (also made in japan) are normally worth a look. sometimes you can find new or new old stock models for sale for around that kind of money.

It depends on what you mean by "all-rounder". Those charvels are pretty 80s-looking. Also it depends on whether you want a double-locking tremolo or not- if you do, at this type of price range, you don't actually have that many options because you want to make sure the guitar has a decent-quality floyd rose in there. Plus having the option of Japanese-made guitars at ~£600 is a real bonus, since a lot of manufactures only offer Korean-built, or even Indonesian- or Chinese-built guitars at that kind of money. (Just to clarify, I'm not saying Koreans, Indonesians or the Chinese can't build good guitars, they can, I'm saying that companies generally outsource to factories in those countries to save money and to make lower-end guitars.)

the pickups in the san dimas (duncan JB and '59) are one of the more versatile pickup sets you can get, so from that point of view, if not the cosmetics, it's pretty versatile. It's arguably more versatile than the so cal from that point of view- the tone zone is pretty versatile too but pretty dark-sounding (bit dark for more vintage stuff maybe) and the evo neck pickup is probably less of an all-rounder than the 59, too.

if you're looking at the MIMs, the jb/59 set in the san dimas is again more versatile than the distortion set in the so cal.

EDIT: godins might be worth a look- they make several superstrats

i've seen some good deals on fret king blue labels recently- i think they're discontinuing the blue label range for the lower spec black label range so there are deals to be had on new and new old stock models. Sometimes as low as £300 on Ebay (sold by shops, new). They're a lot more vintage-looking, and have gotoh/wilkinson trems rather than floyds. They're korean-made- they're very nice if you get them for ~£300, but I think the MIJ guitars I mentioned have the edge, both in terms of the quality of the guitar, and also the pickups.
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#19
Quote by Dave_Mc
^ If you can try them, then do that. I haven't tried the MIMs, but most would normally say that MIJ is usually a step up from MIM. However, (presumably) the neck profiles etc. are broadly similar so it'll let you see if you like that style of guitar. Personally I'd get an MIJ, but it's of course up to you (plus as I said I haven't tried the MIMs so I may well be mistaken).

Bear in mind, with the Japanese ones the tremolos aren't recessed, and also the MIJ so cal models have dimarzios (tone zone and evo), not duncan distortions like the MIMs.


A guitar shop here (richtone) has a bunch of the new MIJ ones currently (and a few more on order). No need to go used unless he wants to- they're under his budget already, even new.

None that I've been able to find in the US unfortunately :/
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#20
(SORRY for all these questions) looking at the charvel is seem there is no tone nob. how do you go about getting those nice warm rolled off santana sort of sounds from it?
#21
If you specifically want Santana you probably need to go back to the PRS idea, for the exact reason you mention.

The San Dimas also has the HS hardtail option which I thought might be an advantage given you need to cover such broad genre range. Single coil goodness for the more lightweight styles, especially jazz and fusion stuff, and a fixed bridge for ease of tuning changes if you want to drop it a notch for the heavy stuff. One guitar to rule more than adequately handle them all.
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#22
You don't.
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#23
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None that I've been able to find in the US unfortunately :/


Yeah but TS said he's in the UK.

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(SORRY for all these questions) looking at the charvel is seem there is no tone nob. how do you go about getting those nice warm rolled off santana sort of sounds from it?


with difficulty

rolling the volume off will lose some highs, but then you lose output/distortion as well.

alternatively i guess you could retrofit a dual-concentric tone and volume knob
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#24
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came in to say the same thing and agree. so i think we are +3 now, right?
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#25
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If you specifically want Santana you probably need to go back to the PRS idea, for the exact reason you mention.

The San Dimas also has the HS hardtail option which I thought might be an advantage given you need to cover such broad genre range. Single coil goodness for the more lightweight styles, especially jazz and fusion stuff, and a fixed bridge for ease of tuning changes if you want to drop it a notch for the heavy stuff. One guitar to rule more than adequately handle them all.

No

To get a Santana tone, you need a Mesa Mark series amp and most likely a LP depending on the era of his tone you want. But really any guitar with a humbucker should do just fine
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#26
Didn't he use Yamaha SGs a lot?

But yeah dual humbucker gibson-ish guitar through the suitable amp is the thing, really. Should be able to get well into the ballpark with that, at least.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#27
Ok guys so i went to the store today and checked out both the prs se custom 24 and the charvel so cal. you were so right. the so cal blew the prs away in terms of feel and sound

ive got it at home now. very happy

thanks dudes
#28
Any pics?
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#31
haha nice

Nice flame on the neck too
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#33
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No

To get a Santana tone, you need a Mesa Mark series amp and most likely a LP depending on the era of his tone you want. But really any guitar with a humbucker should do just fine


+1 the mark IV nails it for me. but i don't gig with the 'Santana tone' though.

i like the '57 classics for something like that though.
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#34
Sure, however he wasn't asking for amp suggestions. Of those two guitars, the PRS will get closest.
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#35
He already bought the Charvel. And yes, those Charvels feel wonderful and I want one but seeing as I just put down a deposit on a $2700 custom I can't exactly afford one now...
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