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2 men were on a train, passing through a run down area. One man said to the other, "Why do you suppose poor areas are riddled with this vandalism?"

The other man replied "Because they are scared they won't be heard"

Discuss
#2
Some graffiti is cool.

I'm not against it or anything.
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#3
most of the graffiti i see in my area is just the word "ANUS" on some signs for different developments

hardly bastions of creativity, those guys
#7
Graffiti is good if it's not some chav with a pen writing "jimbo woz ere"

There's a tunnel near my old college that had some great art.
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#9
Graffiti is good if it's not some chav with a pen writing "jimbo woz ere"

There's a tunnel near my old college that had some great art.
tbf i think the urge to let anyone know you're here and you have a name is pretty sombre and highlights something quite important
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tbf i think the urge to let anyone know you're here and you have a name is pretty sombre and highlights something quite important


of course you do
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#11
Street art is a way to say FUCK YOU, THE MAN to whatever degree you want.


Sometimes you steal chocolatefrom the convenience store, or write 'BUTTLYFE' on a train car.

Sometimes you put beautiful things on places that admonish beauty, like an oppressively boring facade, or a building that's now vacant from the mass class struggle and economic loss it's undergone.


Sometimes the Man tells you that art is only what dead old pedophile white monks centuries ago and you will never get there and people would rather pay hundreds of dollars for a nice fake print of a Rembrandt for a poster than $5 for real art that an artist created in front of you or at a time of anguish or at a time of joy.
So the artist says 'fuck you man, I don't care if you buy it, I just want you to see it... I just need you to see me... it has to be possible... it is possible...'


and it is

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#12
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#13
Most graffiti near here is "tyler boi fukd ur mum m8 420 blaze it" shit.

Some graffiti can be good.
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#14
I agree with the other man.

I like good graffiti art. Even when it's not 'quality' though, there are some somber implications as Will stated.

In an ideal world people would make graffiti art not just because they feel the need to be heard. I've heard of people allowing graffiti on their property but the city tells them to remove it because it encourages vandalism. :/
#15
Graffiti is awesome when it tries to send a public message.
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most of the graffiti i see in my area is just the word "ANUS" on some signs for different developments

hardly bastions of creativity, those guys

lol, this

the train station down the road from my house just has "poop" written all over it
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^^

The shading of that skull on the last image is amazing.
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#23
i think it must be evaluated on a case by case basis. sometimes i don't like it because it's unwarranted drawings, potentially on privately owned property, that might be really ugly.
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#24
There's a wall in Boston somewhere where you can pay to get like a month or something, so all the best artists 'rent' it, then tag it with their own stuff. Really cool.

The best graffiti I've seen though was when I was in Israel, and we went to the West Bank to Bethlehem.




There are some really sobering ones that I remember, that I can't find. But yeah, it was really eye opening for me. I think I was fourteen when I went on the trip, and it was my first time being in a part of the world where they were in that constant state of agitated fear.
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#25
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tbf i think the urge to let anyone know you're here and you have a name is pretty sombre and highlights something quite important


Yep, A manifestation of an inferiority complex..
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Yep, A manifestation of an inferiority complex..

I feel like you meant this as a dig
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I feel like you meant this as a dig


Nope, as a statement of fact. Inferiority complex often drives people to attention seeking behavior. Graffiti is an attention seeking behavior no matter how you look at it.
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Nope, as a statement of fact. Inferiority complex often drives people to attention seeking behavior. Graffiti is an attention seeking behavior no matter how you look at it.

yeah i think i said that in the op

why is attention seeking behaviour bad? 'cause you seem quite annoyed for some reason aha
#29
^^ yeah... no


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2 men were on a train, passing through a run down area. One man said to the other, "Why do you suppose poor areas are riddled with this vandalism?"

The other man replied "Because they are scared they won't be heard"

Discuss


I feel like this isn't nearly as deep as it might seem.

ofc graffiti mainly happens in run down areas.. there's a lot of reasons for that.
but yes, representing your social background and trying to "raise awareness" is an important factor imo.
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I feel like this isn't nearly as deep as it might seem.

Well the thread's called "On ___"

i thought the jokey pomposity had been established
#31
^

well i guess that was too subtle for me.

but it's an interesting topic.
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yeah i think i said that in the op

why is attention seeking behaviour bad? 'cause you seem quite annoyed for some reason aha


Because in the case of graffiti their attention seeking comes at the price of defacing someone else's property.

Before anyone tries the "some of it is artistic". That argument is irrelevant because it was done without the property owner's consent. Also "artistic beauty" is subjective. Just because you might think it's good doesn't mean the property owner does or even if the property owner does think it's good, it doesn't mean he wants it on his property.

If a property owner wanted it painted and allowed them to, that's fine. It also wouldn't be graffiti anymore..
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yeah but "oh isn't it bad that they do it on walls" is like the most boring chat we could have

i mean we could talk about feelings of social abandonment or disillusionment and how graffiti's place on property links with a communistic view and the poor's long standing affiliation with the left and stuff

i mean that's dull as well really but yano
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Because in the case of graffiti their attention seeking comes at the price of defacing someone else's property.

Before anyone tries the "some of it is artistic". That argument is irrelevant because it was done without the property owner's consent. Also "artistic beauty" is subjective. Just because you might think it's good doesn't mean the property owner does or even if the property owner does think it's good, it doesn't mean he wants it on his property.

If a property owner wanted it painted and allowed them to, that's fine. It also wouldn't be graffiti anymore..


you're stretching the "attention-seeking" term a bit far don't ya think?

graffiti is hardly about "personal" attention.

imo it's got a lot more to do with that stuff
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social abandonment or disillusionment and how graffiti's place on property links with a communistic view and the poor's long standing affiliation with the left


and the good/bad aspects of the whole issue can't really be generally classified as either good/bad
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you're stretching the "attention-seeking" term a bit far don't ya think?


No

graffiti is hardly about "personal" attention.


It is about personal attention.


imo it's got a lot more to do with that stuff


"social abandonment or disillusionment" are personal issues.
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^^

The shading of that skull on the last image is amazing.


Agreed! I thought it might have been shooped in, but if so whomever did it is still pretty talented so it's a win either way.
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No


It is about personal attention.
well that's just saying things dear


"social abandonment or disillusionment" are personal issues.

not always

there's obviously loads and loads of times where whole sections of society have felt it together
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Because in the case of graffiti their attention seeking comes at the price of defacing someone else's property.

Before anyone tries the "some of it is artistic". That argument is irrelevant because it was done without the property owner's consent. Also "artistic beauty" is subjective. Just because you might think it's good doesn't mean the property owner does or even if the property owner does think it's good, it doesn't mean he wants it on his property.

If a property owner wanted it painted and allowed them to, that's fine. It also wouldn't be graffiti anymore..

Someone graffiti'd the statue of liberty ****ing you in the ass didn't they?
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well that's just saying things dear


They do it for attention. Positive or negative attention, it makes no difference. Just like a petulant child.



not always

there's obviously loads and loads of times where whole sections of society have felt it together


Did the entire section of society all walk down and paint it together or all collectively ask someone to do it?

Other wise, it's irrelevant. It makes no difference if other people "agree with the message". One person acted out for attention.


Also, why does graffiti tend to be in poorer neighborhoods? Because they can't afford to have it removed. It doesn't mean they accept it or promote it. If they had the money to remove it, they would.
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