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So guys, I need some opinions. I'm looking for a secondary amp to go along with my Jet City. I was looking at Randall Diavlo till I found Marshall DSL40C. I need to know if it's a decent amp for the money or if I should look at anything else. Play mostly metal (Opeth, Sabbath, Dimmu Borgir, Enslaved, Trivium) Not really looking at owning another 6505+ or another Peavey for that matter. Thoughts? Diavlo or DSL40C?
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#2
The Marshall will need a better speaker (really, it's got a seventy 80) and better tubes. I'd get the Randall.
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#3
Me too, I don't see the marshall reaching these tones convincingly.
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Well what made me consider the Marshall was the gain on Lead Channel 2. Sounds like it'd be enough. I'm not necessarily trying to emulate these tones, it's just what I play.
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Well what made me consider the Marshall was the gain on Lead Channel 2. Sounds like it'd be enough. I'm not necessarily trying to emulate these tones, it's just what I play.


I spent a hr on the dsl one day at l&m and wasn't impressed at all. It sounded super fizzy. I actually ended up buying the JCA50H instead. I'd save for a Randall RM & some modules or a EVH 5150iii.
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#6
Fizz can be reduced with tubes and speaker, nay? What about a Mesa Rectoverb?
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Quote by AsOneIStand
Fizz can be reduced with tubes and speaker, nay? What about a Mesa Rectoverb?



To an extent. Like I said, I spent an hr on the thing, and I could get an okay lead tone, but for the price of the amp, I wasn't impressed at all. I found it to have a much weaker clean channel than the JCA as well.

No doubt you can coax some alight tones out of it, but I found the harder you tried to push it, or the more distortion you try to get out of it, the worse it sounds.
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#8
So what about the Rectoverb? Would it suit my needs?
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#9
I wouldn't get either of those.

What's wrong with the 6505?

Sounds like maybe you need a Dual Rec. Either an old 2 channel or a Tremoverb.

Not sold on Single Recs or Rectoverbs yet, but I know 311 loves his, hopefully he can chime in and give you some advice there.
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#11
The only thing I have against the 6505 is that it's the same damn tone on so many metal records today that I'm downright sick of it. Trying to stick to combos if I can. Not only that, but I'm looking for something with a bit more edge. The video I watched on the DSL made it sound pretty decent.
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#12
Quote by AsOneIStand
The only thing I have against the 6505 is that it's the same damn tone on so many metal records today that I'm downright sick of it. Trying to stick to combos if I can. Not only that, but I'm looking for something with a bit more edge. The video I watched on the DSL made it sound pretty decent.


Videos will only give you an idea of what a given piece of gear sounds like. The tone can change quite drastically being recorded with different mic's; and who knows how much editing was done to it.

Like I tell everyone, your best bet (if possible) is to head into the nearest music store, and try it our for yourself. Your ears wont lie to you. What I think sounds terrible may sound beautiful to your ears. The perfect guitar tone is so subjective that all anyone here can give you is an idea of what generally would sound good for what you want.

Good luck!
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#13
How are the Laney's? Anyone know?
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I haven't tried any myself, but maybe take Ippon's suggestion. I've heard good things.

Like I said, try it our for yourself, if you have that option.
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#15
Unfortunately, I do not. There are no Laney dealers where I live (Paragould, AR). I'll give you a quick run through of the brands I can try (Marshall, Orange, Mesa, Jet City, Peavey, Vox, Blackstar)
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Unfortunately, I do not. There are no Laney dealers where I live (Paragould, AR). I'll give you a quick run through of the brands I can try (Marshall, Orange, Mesa, Jet City, Peavey, Vox, Blackstar)


Personally, I'd just go to the shop, and spend a couple hrs trying everything in your price range.

A Jet city might be a nice cheap option for you. I have the JCA50H, and its been killer so far, but I don't really play the same style of music as you. I usually set the pre gain at about 3, for a mid-hard rock tone. There's tons of gain on tap.
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#17
I have the Jet City 2212C. Are the differences between mine and yours tonally?
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I have the Jet City 2212C. Are the differences between mine and yours tonally?


Sorry, I got confused between threads

As far as I know, they're pretty much the same amp, except yours utilizes El84 power tube, and mine has 6L6. I would say you're would kinda sound more British, while the 6L6 would be more modern/American sounding (tighter).

I've used the JCA20H, which uses EL84's but is single channel. I would say it was a little bit thinner sounding than mine, but still a great sounding amp.
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#19
Mine does sound a bit thick and british. I'm just looking for something fairly thick with a bit of edge (again, like a Mesa) Would the Rectoverb or Diavlo fit my needs? Also, I'm not necessarily trying to get million dollar tone. I'm just looking for an amp for Black Metal.
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Quote by AsOneIStand
Mine does sound a bit thick and british. I'm just looking for something fairly thick with a bit of edge (again, like a Mesa) Would the Rectoverb or Diavlo fit my needs? Also, I'm not necessarily trying to get million dollar tone. I'm just looking for an amp for Black Metal.


I haven't tired either, so I can't comment.

I still think the EVH 5150iii would work for you, if its in your budget. It doesn't sound like your typical 6505/5150. When I used it in the studio, I never even used the 3rd channel. The 1st drive channel had ridiculous amounts of gain on tap, the 2nd was just insane. I spent about 12hrs on that thing.
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#21
Do those come in combo form?
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It should, yes. It'll be really heavy though, it's only available as 212 IIRC.


Correct.
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#24
It may take a while to save 1500USD. Decent cleans with the ability to do high gain fairly well?
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#25
The 5153 and VH100 are great recs.

I thought the new DSLs were OK, but not earth shattering great. I like the Class 5 better if that tells you anything.

You could always upgrade to the JCA50/100.

The Rectoverb is a sweet amp but it may not be voiced quite the way you want. I think it is pretty versatile. I did a little NAD clip back when I got it starting with the clean channel and then working my way up the dirt chain. I got it for $490
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A Splawn would definitely be up your alley.

Can I ask a question though? You said you want a secondary amp to go along with your Jet City. Why? Stereo? Are you completely happy wit the tone you have now?

Also, what kind of budget are you dealing with?
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I can spend 800 dollars. I absolutely love my Jet City. However, I find it is not always best for some of the things I want to do. What it does do for me, it does, beautifully. But I seek to expand my amplifier collection. I've heard that no one amp will do everything, and since this is true, it's why my hunt has begun for a little more extreme sound.
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Quote by AsOneIStand
I can spend 800 dollars. I absolutely love my Jet City. However, I find it is not always best for some of the things I want to do. What it does do for me, it does, beautifully. But I seek to expand my amplifier collection. I've heard that no one amp will do everything, and since this is true, it's why my hunt has begun for a little more extreme sound.


I get that. If that's the case, I wouldn't go for another model of the JCA; it'll be pretty damn similar to what you've got.
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#28
Can you get to Memphis?


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I see a Diavlo, a Blue Voodoo, a JSX, a TSL, a Jet City 100, 6505, 5150, XXX, a Tiny Terror, etc.

I know you don't want Peavey but keep your mind open. Something like a VTM may be perfect.


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#29
Not a big fan of driving in Memphis. I'd more more willing to go to Missouri if need be. What is a VTM?
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A VTM is like a seriously hotrodded JCM800 with lots of bells and whistles. Good amp.

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I can spend 800 dollars. I absolutely love my Jet City. However, I find it is not always best for some of the things I want to do. What it does do for me, it does, beautifully. But I seek to expand my amplifier collection. I've heard that no one amp will do everything, and since this is true, it's why my hunt has begun for a little more extreme sound.
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#31
The Randall RM's must be damn good, because I've seen them recommended in high regard here. That may be what I'm looking for.
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#32
I love mine.
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#33
trem-o-verb won me over. i have had it for a while now. it just kills.

the EVH 5153's are nice too, but from what i have heard (AND) heard on youtube was the bad volume issue between channel changing.

DSL's aren't bad. personally i like the 50 over the 100.

MKIV is a solid little amp in combo form. i have the head cab setup though.

i really was underwhelmed on the Jet City amps. i had a few DOA and said f*** it. then i got the first JCA50 in a trade, and i just couldn't like it. thats me though and that was right when the were coming out, so maybe something has changed. i have nothing against the company.
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#34
^ I never really gelled with the Jet Cities either but that just goes to show how everything is subjective.


There is a Carvin Legacy II and 212 cab for $800 in Jonesboro.

Not sure that will have enough gain as it seems you are looking for something with a bit more meat on it.
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#35
Just a word of warning, the RM100 combo is really heavy and very big (90lb and the same footprint as the top of a 1960A.) I use a trolley to move it around. It's worth it though, you just have to set yourself up. It's so big because it's a closed back thing, but that's what makes it so incredibly huge sounding for a combo. It makes my 2x12 JCM900 look and sound like a toy.
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#36
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^ I never really gelled with the Jet Cities either but that just goes to show how everything is subjective.


There is a Carvin Legacy II and 212 cab for $800 in Jonesboro.

Not sure that will have enough gain as it seems you are looking for something with a bit more meat on it.


what are you feelings about a MKIV combo for him? i have the head and love it. can get pretty much anything with a boost. IIRC the combo is the same as the head.

are you still liking the rect-o-verb? they are nice amps.
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#37
I played a friends DSL40c with a WGS V30 and jj tubes and loved it so much I sold my 5150iii 50w and bought a DSL 40c the 70/80 speaker isn't good I put in a WGS V30 about 5 min after I took it outta the box. V1 I put a sovtek 12ax7 wc V2-V4 gold JJ's I tried JJ EL34's and Svetlana EL34's but the stock tubes sounded better. The sovtek was a surprise in V1 I tried various tubes everywhere a nos Amprex bugleboy , nos Mullard, regular JJ's, ehx, tung sol, ei, sovtek 5751 and a Telefunkin 12at7. If you play clean or low to mid gain or use distortion pedals the 5751 sound awesome in V4 And speaking of pedals it takes pedals great (ehx soul food sounds awesome) It loves boost in front I use a EP booster and EQ and a TS....the effects loop is very good and quiet. The footswitch SUX I bought a lighted one for 30 bux off ebay reverb is OK at best but I use my Nova sys. It's a 2 channels amp with 4 different channel options plus a 20/40w switch it's super versatile just a no frills amp kinda aimed at the bedroom or studio guy for the dollars with a few easy DIY mods and it's a killer little amp. I havent missed my 5150iii 50w and the channel 1 to 2 Volume jump and those damn over sensitive fender volume pots for one second!!
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#38
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I played a friends DSL40c with a WGS V30 and jj tubes and loved it so much I sold my 5150iii 50w and bought a DSL 40c the 70/80 speaker isn't good I put in a WGS V30 about 5 min after I took it outta the box. V1 I put a sovtek 12ax7 wc V2-V4 gold JJ's I tried JJ EL34's and Svetlana EL34's but the stock tubes sounded better. The sovtek was a surprise in V1 I tried various tubes everywhere a nos Amprex bugleboy , nos Mullard, regular JJ's, ehx, tung sol, ei, sovtek 5751 and a Telefunkin 12at7. If you play clean or low to mid gain or use distortion pedals the 5751 sound awesome in V4 And speaking of pedals it takes pedals great (ehx soul food sounds awesome) It loves boost in front I use a EP booster and EQ and a TS....the effects loop is very good and quiet. The footswitch SUX I bought a lighted one for 30 bux off ebay reverb is OK at best but I use my Nova sys. It's a 2 channels amp with 4 different channel options plus a 20/40w switch it's super versatile just a no frills amp kinda aimed at the bedroom or studio guy for the dollars with a few easy DIY mods and it's a killer little amp. I havent missed my 5150iii 50w and the channel 1 to 2 Volume jump and those damn over sensitive fender volume pots for one second!!


Not sure about the other amps these guys were talking about, but I love my DSL.
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#39
I got 2 DSL40Cs. the newest one came from Sweetwater with a celestion creamback. I put in mesa stamped jjs and I'm very happy with it. If you want more gain than what this amp has, I don't want to hear you.
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#40
I also played a DSL100 and found it to be more or less like the previous generations. Good amp to me.
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