#1
Once upon a time, I had a hankerin' for a hardtail HSS guitar, and found out that they're...pretty rare. I eventually had one custom built. Shortly thereafter, I found that Licea made one. But I really haven't seen that many out there.

Similarly, Hagstrom is one of the few makers I can think of doing a Lp clone in 25.5" scale.

Reverend, Fender, Nik Huber and a few others make guitars with bridge HBs and a P90 of some kind in the neck. And Fret-King borrows a page from Parker and expands the possibilities of the HB/P90 design with a (surprisingly affordable) semihollow featuring an additional piezo system.

What unusual guitar designs have you encountered that you think are cool?
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#2
p90/s/s is quite nice

also a tele bridge pickup with strat middle and neck single coils
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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#4
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p90/s/s is quite nice


Ah, yeah- Fret King has a couple of those.

also a tele bridge pickup with strat middle and neck single coils


Certain versions of Reverend's Six Gun have been made that way.
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#5
Oh yeah, when I asked this:

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What unusual guitar designs have you encountered that you think are cool?


I forgot to ALSO ask, "...and who makes guitars like that?"
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#6
^ LOL

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no dave, neck p90.



kinda want.


yeah i was actually gonna say (but was lazy and wussed out ) that a tele bridge, strat middle and humbucker/mini humbucker/p90 in the neck might be cool too. I'd like to try that, as well. I think fretking has a thinline tele with tele bridge, strat middle and full-sized humbucker neck, but I haven't tried it.

Quote by dannyalcatraz
Ah, yeah- Fret King has a couple of those.


Certain versions of Reverend's Six Gun have been made that way.


yeah my fretking tele has the tele/s/s layout and superstrat has the p90/s/s layout. I suspect (having not tried it) to get the most out of the p90/s/s layout you'd want a tap on the p90 for the in-between position (or even to get a more stratty tone out of the bridge pickup alone).

EDIT: vintage had a nice 3-p90 superstrat in the advance series (now discontinued). the p90s were stacked (i think iirc used both alnico and ceramic magnets), and sounded like p90s (ish) when in full-power mode, but sounded sort of strattish when split. I never got round to getting one but I always sort of had semi-gas for one if I had seen one cheap enough.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

Last edited by Dave_Mc at Aug 2, 2014,
#7
Tradition used to make a Teleclone that had an oddball configuration of 3 pickups, but they've simplified it to be a P90 in the neck and a Telecaster bridge pickup. Still unusual, but not as out there as it used to be.

Reverend has something similar, but with their RevTron miniHB in the neck instead of the P90.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Aug 2, 2014,
#8
^ yeah rev has a bunch of cool pickup layouts

italia (trev wilkinson/jhs brand like fret king and vintage) has some weird pickup layouts too and though I've never tried them i've heard some iffy things about build quality ("style over substance" is about the gist of them)

do you have a link to the tradition one? not sure I'm familiar with them.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#9
I had an Epi es339 Ultra recently that had hbs, a usb out and a nanomag acoustic pup on the end of the fretboard. It also had a separate jack and tone controls for the nanomag which, combined with looper, made for some incredible versatility and variety. Unfortunately it was a jack of all trades master of none guitar though.
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#10
Tradition recently moved from Fort Worth (big city) to Burleson, (small city) and seem to have trimmed their production accordingly. Of course, the limited production could all be temporary.

http://www.traditionguitars.com/default.html
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#11
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I had an Epi es339 Ultra recently that had hbs, a usb out and a nanomag acoustic pup on the end of the fretboard. It also had a separate jack and tone controls for the nanomag which, combined with looper, made for some incredible versatility and variety. Unfortunately it was a jack of all trades master of none guitar though.

You probably won't find a JoaT that nails anything particularly well until you start shelling out serious money. I know the Parkers that have HH/piezo or HSS/piezo sound great, but those cost thousands. Someday...

And I'd love to try out- no, OWN- a Crimson...

http://crimsonguitars.com/gallery/robert-fripp-slim-vine/
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#12
Charlie Hunter is infamous for using 7 & 8 strings, but unlike most others, HIS are hybrid instruments. The lower 2 or3 strings are bass strings, while the upper 5 are all guitar strings, allowing him to play bass & guitar parts simultaneously or interchangeably.

As such, he needs special instruments. AFAIK, Charlie's are all made by Novax, but Wes Lambe makes similar instruments. Both makers designs feature fanned frets, dual outputs, and distinct bass and guitar pickups positioned under the relevant strings.

http://novaxguitars.com
http://www.wlguitars.com
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#13
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Tradition recently moved from Fort Worth (big city) to Burleson, (small city) and seem to have trimmed their production accordingly. Of course, the limited production could all be temporary.

http://www.traditionguitars.com/default.html


thanks EDIT: as you said, they don't seem to have that much on there at the moment, they have an S/P90 tele with a trem, though.

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You probably won't find a JoaT that nails anything particularly well until you start shelling out serious money. I know the Parkers that have HH/piezo or HSS/piezo sound great, but those cost thousands. Someday...


I dunno, even the expensive ones (granted, i haven't tried a parker) normally won't be as versatile as 5 separate guitars. I think with any JoaT guitar (or amp/pedal/etc.) you kind of have to adjust your expectations, if you're expecting to nail 15 different guitars' tones you're probably going to be disappointed. (Since I can feel dspellman watching this thread, I should also add I haven't tried a variax or an axe fx or anything like that.)

But if you need something that does an approximation of different "classic" tones, they can be great. Although what I said above sounds like I hate JoaT guitars, my favourite guitar type is probably a superstrat, if I had to pick just the one guitar.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

Last edited by Dave_Mc at Aug 2, 2014,
#14
I don't expect a piezo system to sound like an acoustic, just acoustic-ish. And my split coil HBs should sound single-ish.

If you look at a my collection, you'd see one Stratclone- so far- and a bunch of axes with HBs...most of which can split. I've got that hardtail HSS with a splittable HB, too, and I'm thinking about modding my Fret-King to do likewise.

So you can see, I'm WAY cool with JoaT guitars.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Aug 2, 2014,
#15
Oh yeah me too, I'd say most of my guitars are JoaT, apart from a few classics.

I agree with the "ish" thing as well. I know some people act like splits are horrible, and while I'd be the first to agree they normally aren't as nice as "real" singles, if you ask me they're usable at least in some situations, and you might as well have them.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#17
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#18
I have a number of HSH guitars (Carvins), an old Samick HSS (variously with and without Floyds and Kahlers). I'm on the hunt for a Nighthawk Custom (Gibson) with a slanted humbucker in the bridge, single coil in the middle and mini-humbucker at the neck, five-way selector.

I've got a couple of Moonstones with Bartolini active pickups, including a master volume two-way treble boost and a six-way tone selector (something like a varitone, but not). My L6S has a six-way pickup selector, a Master volume, master treble rolloff, master mids rolloff. I've got a pair of LP style guitars, both of which have Axcess-style neck heels, one of which is neck-through. Both have Fernandes Sustainers with sustainer intensity pots, a single-coil-size humbuckers sharing the neck pickup ring with the Sustainer driver, and a sweepable active mids boost on a push-pull.

And there are three Variaxes -- one old 500 (they operate off piezos with internal modeling firmware, one Acoustic 700, which looks like a thinline acoustic guitar with a cutaway, but which is actually a solid mahogany guitar with acoustic models (including a nylon string) built in, and one new JTV-89F, which uses Graphtech Ghost saddles in the Floyd, and which can mix both magnetic pickups and Variax output.
#20
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That's something I never would have thought to do. I have always been fond of guitars with bridge single coils and neck buckers, but having that one HB in the middle probably makes for some wild sounds
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#21
Something as simple as having two single coils and nothing else is actually pretty rare. Almost nonexistent anywhere I could get one (not that I want to actually.)
#22
Yeah- probably only P90 axes like that, other than Teles.
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#23
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That's something I never would have thought to do. I have always been fond of guitars with bridge single coils and neck buckers, but having that one HB in the middle probably makes for some wild sounds



I think the idea is to get those fatter sounds in positions 2 and 4.

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#24
One of the most versatile systems I've seen/used is the Blade VST active tone control system, which I guess is locked up tight in a patent. The guitar has standard pickups with passive volume and tone controls, plus a switchable active tone control on a three-way switch that has bypass, mid-boost and bass-treble boost. The amount of mid, bass and treble can be adjusted by trim pots, I had mine adjusted for fairly small effects. This feeds into the passive controls, so you have passive guitar controls plus switching between three different EQ qualities for the pickups.
#26
Which G&L is that?
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#27
it's a USA Fallout .... SS Muscle Car series Fallout in Hugger Orange (based on a 1969 Camaro Z-28 Hugger orange color) .... the SS Muscle series is a bare bones guitar , the come as they ship with not any options other than color from the Muscle Car series ..... a regular Fallout has the full menu options ....... I had this guitar in 5 days from ordering it counting the weekend , had the dealer order locking tuners and they had them installed before I got there to pick it up , locking tuners are not a option on the Muscle car series but the dealer had no problems receiving new locking tuners from G&L , G&L didn't even charge me for them

edit to add http://www.glguitars.com/news/Muscle-Car-Series-SS-Collection.asp
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#28
^Thats a slick guitar! If I came across one of those I would definitely pick it up and check it out.


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Something as simple as having two single coils and nothing else is actually pretty rare. Almost nonexistent anywhere I could get one (not that I want to actually.)

That's actually my favorite configuration. My 3 favorite guitars, that I own, are a tele copy (2 sc), a Mustang (2 sc) and an lp special copy (2 p90s).

I could probably get by fine with nothing but a good, single coil neck pup. Which seems simple yet possibly the rarest of pup configuration. I can't think of any single, single coil neck pup guitars.
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#29
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#30
I could probably get by fine with nothing but a good, single coil neck pup. Which seems simple yet possibly the rarest of pup configuration. I can't think of any single, single coil neck pup guitars.


To clarify, you mean a standard singlecoil, right? Not a P90 or the like?
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#31
Y might have to go seriously retro, like the Danelectro 3012:

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