does anyone have a black and white outlook about playing music/guitar ?

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#1
I think to myself either I will make a living out of playing music or I wouldn't play guitar at all if I fail at that. Not a middle ground for me.
#2
Okay?

you're obviously not enjoying it then
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#3
Is that's how you view music please don't ever play then there's already too many people who play just to make money.
#4
That's a really narrow-minded view, and it's pretty unfortunate that you view a hobby like that.
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#6
Music should be segregated by race.

Blacks should stick to jazz and blues while whites should stick to classical

#8
I play music because it enriches my life and makes me happy, i don't expect to ever make much money from it but i will still never stop playing
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#10
Well you're probably not gonna make a living as a guitarist so you may aswell give up now.
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#11
If you just play to make money, you're obviously gonna suck, you have to like music to play. If you're doing it for some kind of ego-thing, you're not gonna do anything. Also, there are millions of guitarists out there looking for a gig, if you lack the passion, you're CERTAINLY not gonna rise above the rest and make ANY kind of a living off of it.
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Music should be segregated by race.

Blacks should stick to jazz and blues while whites should stick to classical



what about brown and yellow people

and what about mixed race people
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#13
Used to look at it like that, but now I do it for fun.

Maybe someday I play in a band, but I'm not even sure if I ever want to go gigging, I'd rather stay underground.
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#14
Good idea, you should quit. If your motivation is money, you must be severely unreasonable to pursue a career by playing guitar.
#15
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But no, I try not to think like that about anything. Plus playing guitar is just something I do, it doesn't really matter where or why, as long as I can do it the way I want to. If I make money, awesome. If I don't make money, still awesome.
#16
Gawd, please.
You play for fun, period. But at the same time being in a band that you dont belive can make it is stupid allthesame.
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#17
Not playing guitar for the sake of itself = Not the right hobby for you.
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#18
My "black and white" view on playing is fairly different from the one you just gave. For me it's not a matter of whether I can make money off it or give it up. It's a question of whether or not I enjoy playing at all. If I didn't enjoy it, i would give it up. Thankfully that's not the case. I play because my abilities on the instrument make me feel better about myself. They are one of the only things in my life that I have complete control over and the act of playing has enriched my life more than I could've ever thought and has also enriched the my wife's life as well as my daughter's. Now, if the opportunity rose to where I could make money off it I certainly wouldn't turn it down, but that's nowhere why I play.

If that's the question that you're asking I think you may need to re-evaluate why you started playing to begin with.
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#19
That's the worst way to view music, or any form of art, in general. You do it because you enjoy it, not because you want to make money.

As VelcroMan stated, there's millions of guitarists out there with a true passion for playing who aren't earning a penny for what they can do. What hope do you have if you don't care for the hobby as just a hobby?

Here's some advice, should you want it; find a hobby you will enjoy regardless of being paid, find somewhere you can volunteer relating to that hobby and MAYBE you'll get a job out of it.
Take it from me, I volunteer in technical theatre because I like doing that and I'm currently in the chance of being taken on as an apprentice due to my enthusiasm (and learned skill, of course).
#20
If that's your view, you're playing guitar for all the wrong reasons; so what, you picked up a guitar because you wanted to be some kind of recognised rock star? Yeah, I initially did too, I found a love for rock and metal music and wanted to be the one on the stage sending an audience crazy, but as a few years of playing passed I found a love for music itself, and not so much the idea of being idolized. You should be proud of what you create whether it makes you money or not - some of the greatest artists in any given artistic medium weren't even recognised until they were old or dead. Music at it's core is a means of expression that transcends traditional language, if your goal is to just make a living off of it, then you've got the wrong viewpoint and I will argue that point as a fact to the point some may consider me a musical nazi, if you haven't got the passion for it then don't bother. There's also other ways to make money if that's really your goal though, you could teach, be a roadie, hell you could even just work the reception at a label if you just want to be in a music oriented environment, but it doesn't really sound like it's your jam to be honest.
#21
My goal in life is to become a chef, so by your logic i shouldnt make any food unless im getting paid for it.
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#22
that's actually a fallacious viewpoint because in your seemingly eternal quest to make a living out of music you will actually be "just playing guitar" the whole time
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#23
So, where's your cutoff point, TS? At what stage can you decide that playing guitar isn't a viable career choice?
#24
I play guitar and have a gigging band (and a couple more musical projects) just for $#!ts and giggles.

Playing guitar is fun, and playing live is even more fun, even when we don't make money off of it.
If I ever end up without a band, I'll just keep playing guitar at home for my own enjoyment.


Nowadays it's extremely difficult to make a living out of the music business in my country anyway, so I'm finishing my lawyer internship and I'll keep working as a lawyer.
Playing guitar and gigging in my free time is a great way to blow off steam after my dayjob.


Maybe you picked up the guitar for the wrong reasons, TS.
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#25
I sorta agree with the TS..

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#26
i like playing guitar, if you see it as a chore then you're not getting all you can out of it bro
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Good idea, you should quit. If your motivation is money, you must be severely unreasonable to pursue a career by playing guitar.


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#30
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Ok, go sell your guitars then, TS. See ya.

good idea cray cray samuel then ts can get a macbook and make dubstep
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#31
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good idea cray cray samuel then ts can get a macbook and make dubstep

He won't make money doing that either. He'd just end up selling his macbook.
#32
No, not really. I just enjoy playing. I don't expect to ever make a living from it. However, if I could make a massive amount of money playing music, I would. I wouldn't care what kind of music. I would play music that I hate every night if it meant that I would make a large amount of money.
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Music should be segregated by race.

Blacks should stick to jazz and blues while whites should stick to classical



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I actually know people who think this
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#34
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However, if I could make a massive amount of money playing music, I would. I wouldn't care what kind of music. I would play music that I hate every night if it meant that I would make a large amount of money.

And then you would hate what you do and be very unhappy. Etc. etc. etc.

Music shouldn't be treated like a job. Yes, you can (potentially) make money playing music. But you shouldn't play music that you don't like. Music is about fun. If you're not having fun playing a certain type of music, the crowd will notice. And then, chances are, you will be hired to play gigs less often -- which means less money.
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He won't make money doing that either. He'd just end up selling his macbook.

it's not about the money, it's about the music man
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#36
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You play for fun, period. But at the same time being in a band that you dont belive can make it is stupid allthesame.



Why is this exactly?

I've been and stayed in bands that I thought/knew wouldn't 'make it' just based on my own thoughts that the style of music wasn't popular enough to give even a slight chance of 'making it'.
Wouldn't just enjoying playing in that band, having fun with it and hanging around with friends drinking beers, jamming and playing some gigs be a lot more fulfilling and 'fun' than quitting because it won't make you rich (presumably to shortly after joining some blonde bimbo selling bland, soulless music via her looks to play music you hate for easy money)?
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#37
I'm going to second every else's opinion and say... stop playing. Now. Music is something that many many people do and very very few people ever make a dime on, and with an obvious lack of passion you're never going to make it into the second group.

Most of the people on this forum have put thousands of dollars and thousands of hours into music and have gotten nothing in return except the enjoyment of doing it.
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And then you would hate what you do and be very unhappy. Etc. etc. etc.

Music shouldn't be treated like a job. Yes, you can (potentially) make money playing music. But you shouldn't play music that you don't like. Music is about fun. If you're not having fun playing a certain type of music, the crowd will notice. And then, chances are, you will be hired to play gigs less often -- which means less money.


I play because I enjoy it. I feel like I would enjoy playing horrible music more than I would enjoy doing a lot of other things as a means to make money. With that being said, I do not envision this happening.
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it's not about the money, it's about the music man

That's sort of the point, isn't it?

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I play because I enjoy it. I feel like I would enjoy playing horrible music more than I would enjoy doing a lot of other things as a means to make money. With that being said, I do not envision this happening.

Then...what's the issue?
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#40
Maybe it's just me but I couldn't make a living playing music I hate. I don't even feel motivated to play guitar unless I like what I'm playing.

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good idea cray cray samuel then ts can get a macbook and make dubstep


Now this is a more modern fantasy. Guitar based music isn't as mainstream as it used to be.
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