#1
Hi, I was wondering if u could help me make my decision beteween these two amps.
The Peavey Vypyr 30 and the Roland Cube 40gx . What are the differences between the sound of those two ? Which one is the most lasting one in terms of durability ? Also ,
which one of those is best suited for metal and has a less 'fake' feel to the sound ? Is it true that the Peavey Vypyr 30 replicates the sound of a tube amp ?And finally which are the pros and cons of each amp as both to sound and durability ?
Thank you
(PS:By fake I mean which one sounds less digital).
#2
They're both good modelling amps. Both sound good, both have a good reputation in the reliability department. It's a matter of personal preference -- try both to see which one you like best, since you can't go wrong with either.


Personally, I'd get one of the new Vypyr VIP series amps because of the multi-instrument feature. You can play a guitar, bass or electroacoustic guitar through them.
Even if you don't own a bass or an electroacoustic guitar, it's a nice feature to have in the long term.
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#3
Quote by mydoggylio6
Hi, I was wondering if u could help me make my decision beteween these two amps.
The Peavey Vypyr 30 and the Roland Cube 40gx . What are the differences between the sound of those two ? Which one is the most lasting one in terms of durability ? Also ,
which one of those is best suited for metal and has a less 'fake' feel to the sound ? Is it true that the Peavey Vypyr 30 replicates the sound of a tube amp ?And finally which are the pros and cons of each amp as both to sound and durability ?
Thank you
(PS:By fake I mean which one sounds less digital).


Get the Viper
I've had both
#4
I feel like the Roland would be a more durable amp. Just by their nature. But it's not really an issue, I don't think. I've owned multiple Vypyrs for years past.

As far as realism, I'd say the Vypyr, hands down. It just sounds good. The Cube is extremely limited in what it can do, it feels more like a entry level/beginner amp, whereas the Vypyr actually gives you options and lets you dial it in.

Though as mentioned above, if you're looking for realism, I'd definitely get a new VIP-2 over either. The VIPs have improved and better dynamics, meaning they respond to your pick attack and so forth better and respond to your playing better. They're also more mid gain focused and have more weird FX than the original Vypyrs.

I usually put it this way: if you want a general modeler that has everything you need and then some, and replicates a non-modeling amp well for cheap, get a VIP. If you want an amp that will give you a processed, recorded sound right out of the speaker, and you want your sound to be ultra tight and polished, get the original Vypyr.

An example specific to the 6505 model: the Vypyr's 6505 model doesn't actually sound like a 6505, but it sounds like what you expect a 6505 to sound like after it's been boosted and recorded.
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#5
Quote by Offworld92
I feel like the Roland would be a more durable amp. Just by their nature. But it's not really an issue, I don't think. I've owned multiple Vypyrs for years past.

As far as realism, I'd say the Vypyr, hands down. It just sounds good. The Cube is extremely limited in what it can do, it feels more like a entry level/beginner amp, whereas the Vypyr actually gives you options and lets you dial it in.

Though as mentioned above, if you're looking for realism, I'd definitely get a new VIP-2 over either. The VIPs have improved and better dynamics, meaning they respond to your pick attack and so forth better and respond to your playing better. They're also more mid gain focused and have more weird FX than the original Vypyrs.

I usually put it this way: if you want a general modeler that has everything you need and then some, and replicates a non-modeling amp well for cheap, get a VIP. If you want an amp that will give you a processed, recorded sound right out of the speaker, and you want your sound to be ultra tight and polished, get the original Vypyr.

An example specific to the 6505 model: the Vypyr's 6505 model doesn't actually sound like a 6505, but it sounds like what you expect a 6505 to sound like after it's been boosted and recorded.
Yes....Thanks for the advice both u and the others that answered my questions . I have a question . When u say a processed recorded sound right out of the speaker and polished what do u mean by that ? Thank you
#6
Listen to pretty much any modernish album with 6505s for guitar tones. All That Remains, Atreyu, The Black Dahlia Murder, Gojira, Trivium, etc. - A raw 6505 doesn't sound like that. Not even close, really. You need to boost it, EQ it, then you'll be close. But a lot of time you need studio post EQ to get that really clean polished sound.

A Vypyr sounds more like that final product just on its own.
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#7
Quote by Offworld92
Listen to pretty much any modernish album with 6505s for guitar tones. All That Remains, Atreyu, The Black Dahlia Murder, Gojira, Trivium, etc. - A raw 6505 doesn't sound like that. Not even close, really. You need to boost it, EQ it, then you'll be close. But a lot of time you need studio post EQ to get that really clean polished sound.

A Vypyr sounds more like that final product just on its own.
Ok thanks . One last question: Do u have the vypyr or the vypyr vip ? Because I DO want a tight and polished sound and I wanna know which one is better at that ... Thanks
#8
Quote by Offworld92
I feel like the Roland would be a more durable amp. Just by their nature. But it's not really an issue, I don't think. I've owned multiple Vypyrs for years past.

As far as realism, I'd say the Vypyr, hands down. It just sounds good. The Cube is extremely limited in what it can do, it feels more like a entry level/beginner amp, whereas the Vypyr actually gives you options and lets you dial it in.

Though as mentioned above, if you're looking for realism, I'd definitely get a new VIP-2 over either. The VIPs have improved and better dynamics, meaning they respond to your pick attack and so forth better and respond to your playing better. They're also more mid gain focused and have more weird FX than the original Vypyrs.

I usually put it this way: if you want a general modeler that has everything you need and then some, and replicates a non-modeling amp well for cheap, get a VIP. If you want an amp that will give you a processed, recorded sound right out of the speaker, and you want your sound to be ultra tight and polished, get the original Vypyr.

An example specific to the 6505 model: the Vypyr's 6505 model doesn't actually sound like a 6505, but it sounds like what you expect a 6505 to sound like after it's been boosted and recorded.


^1 This

I would say the Dual Rec mode was the same. It didn't have the raw bite that a Rec has but it still sounds good. Like a smoothed out Dual Rectifier after being put through post-production
#9
try to save your money for the tube 60.
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#10
Quote by mydoggylio6
Ok thanks . One last question: Do u have the vypyr or the vypyr vip ? Because I DO want a tight and polished sound and I wanna know which one is better at that ... Thanks


I don't have any Vypyrs right now, but I have owned the 15, 75, Tube 120H, and the VIP-3.

For what you're going for, a Tube version would be best. The Tube 60 is far more popular than the 120 or 120H. They just sound better, they don't suffer from the solid state harsh high end.
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#11
Quote by Offworld92
I don't have any Vypyrs right now, but I have owned the 15, 75, Tube 120H, and the VIP-3.

For what you're going for, a Tube version would be best. The Tube 60 is far more popular than the 120 or 120H. They just sound better, they don't suffer from the solid state harsh high end.

Thanks for the recomandation but I really don't want a tube amp . They are way too costy in terms of maintenance for me ;/ . I just want a digital amp that has a close sound to a tube amp ( that's why the vypyr got my attention ) . I really want an amp that has a good metal tone for the heaviest styles .. I like the VIP but it feels like it was designed more for rock rather than all out heavy metal...It sounds a bit thin to me ... The vypyr though, it feels more that it was designed for heavy metal ... Or am I wrong ?(and by polished we mean clearer right ?)
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#12
Quote by mydoggylio6
Thanks for the recomandation but I really don't want a tube amp . They are way too costy in terms of maintenance for me ;/ .

Do you realize that the regular maintenance costs of a Peavey Vypyr 60 Tube are about 50-75€ every couple of years to change the two 6L6 power tubes?
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#13
yeah got for it. tube 60 is the best. the other vypyrs sound like shit and are a waste of time imo.
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Quote by Linkerman
Do you realize that the regular maintenance costs of a Peavey Vypyr 60 Tube are about 50-75€ every couple of years to change the two 6L6 power tubes?

Yes....Ok then but how long will it last ? I tend to play a lot my guitar ...Plus, what kind of tubes will I need ( I haven't used any tube amps so far)
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#15
Quote by Linkerman
Do you realize that the regular maintenance costs of a Peavey Vypyr 60 Tube are about 50-75€ every couple of years to change the two 6L6 power tubes?



Its right there...
2x 6L6 power tubes

if you play a lot then you might need to change once a year. it all depends on how they deteriorate to your ears

but changing 2 power tubes is pretty easy. I have never had a modeller but im guessing its the same as a regular tube amp.
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Quote by mydoggylio6
Thanks for the recomandation but I really don't want a tube amp . They are way too costy in terms of maintenance for me ;/ . I just want a digital amp that has a close sound to a tube amp ( that's why the vypyr got my attention ) . I really want an amp that has a good metal tone for the heaviest styles .. I like the VIP but it feels like it was designed more for rock rather than all out heavy metal...It sounds a bit thin to me ... The vypyr though, it feels more that it was designed for heavy metal ... Or am I wrong ?(and by polished we mean clearer right ?)


You could say that the VIP has more of a rock focus than the Vypyr. That doesn't mean that the VIP can't get just as heavy by any means. Either are more than capable of doing an excellent job at djent to deathcore or any modern metal you want (the heaviest styles?). The Vypyr/VIP isn't a simple amp like a Cube or a Spider. It has depth, it can be dialed in finely. That's one of the main reasons I'm so fond of them, they don't feel like a toy at all like the other entry level modelers do. They don't treat their users like children by not giving them room to mess up. And that makes them better on multiple levels, I think. It lets beginners and users get a far better grasp and understanding of amps and effects in the guitar world.

As I said before, the VIP feels more like a tube amp. The Vypyr is more polished. Those things aren't synonymous, tube amps are pretty well known, I think, for being raw and powerful, not polished and surgical.

There are high end exceptions, obviously (Fryette, Diezel, etc.), but generally speaking... what I said.
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#17
Quote by mydoggylio6
Yes....Ok then but how long will it last ? I tend to play a lot my guitar ...

As loki_lulamen said, if you really play A LOT, you may need to change the tubes once per year, but they'll probably last longer.

Quote by mydoggylio6
Plus, what kind of tubes will I need ( I haven't used any tube amps so far)

As I mentioned in my previous post, you'll need two 6L6 power tubes.

But the amp comes with them, obviously. You'll only need to buy new tubes when the ones that come with the amp get worn out and you start to notice degradation on the sound.

Quote by loki_lulamen
but changing 2 power tubes is pretty easy. I have never had a modeller but im guessing its the same as a regular tube amp.

Oh yeah, the Peavey Vypyr 60 Tube doesn't need biasing, you simply pull the old tubes and put in the new ones.

The maintenance costs will be less than what I said, since you don't have to pay a tech to change the tubes and re-bias the amp.
The cost of a pair of new JJ power tubes is less than 40€.
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Quote by Offworld92


As I said before, the VIP feels more like a tube amp. The Vypyr is more polished. Those things aren't synonymous, tube amps are pretty well known, I think, for being raw and powerful, not polished and surgical.

The vypyr also has patented transtube technology though ..
#20
It doesn't mean anything. It's glib marketing.
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#21
Quote by Offworld92
It doesn't mean anything. It's glib marketing.

So the transtube tec on the VIP is also glib marketing?
#22
Yeah it doesn't really mean anything. It's not important. The way it sounds, the way it reacts is what's important, and actually playing them will tell you all you need to know.
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#23
Two of these:
https://tubedepot.com/products/jj-6l6gc-power-vacuum-tube
And one of these:
https://tubedepot.com/products/jj-ecc83s-12ax7-preamp-vacuum-tube

Every few years. On the Vyper Tube you just pull out the old ones and push in the new ones. That's it. No harder than changing a light.
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#24
Quote by Cathbard
Two of these:
https://tubedepot.com/products/jj-6l6gc-power-vacuum-tube
And one of these:
https://tubedepot.com/products/jj-ecc83s-12ax7-preamp-vacuum-tube

Every few years. On the Vyper Tube you just pull out the old ones and push in the new ones. That's it. No harder than changing a light.
They have an analog solid state modeling preamp with digital effects and the power amp out of a 6505. They're a good thing.

Yes...I'm thinking of buying the tube 60 now but ... I can't find any good videos that demonstrates the actual sound of the amp . I've watched a few and none of them sound good to me . Too bright . If you can , please send me a few videos of the actual sound of the amp it would be nice .. Thanks
#25
^ Hey

I've got a few clips in my profile doing metal and other stuff. I think they sound pretty close to what the amp sounds like live. They may not be your type of demo's not sure. Profile MP3 are going away Sunday so giddy up

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/311ZOSOVHJH/music/play983752

PS: The feedback at the beginning of this song was on purpose

PPS: Shredkev on youtube has pretty good demos IMO.
#26
it sounds great. check youtube. cant do much better for brutality unless you spend twice the price.
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#27
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Your power tubes could last 5 - 10 years

I bought my Vypyr 60 3 years ago I think and I haven't' had to change anything.

Ballin' amp.

Offworld pretty much nailed the description.


Really ? And how much do you play ?