gruuvybaby
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I am pretty new a playing guitar and just got a few pedals and need some advice on what order to put my pedals while using the Boss NS-2. I have the following pedals :

* TS-808 Custom Clone
* Sure Riot Distortion Clone
* Boss CH-1
* Boss RV-5
* Boss NS-2
* Do__er Chromatic Tuner

One the instructions with the NS-2 it says to keep the Reverb out of the loop and put it on the end but I was wondering if I need to do that with the Chorus also. Thanks for any advice for using these pedals.
loki_lulamen
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does your amp have an FX loop?

if so put the chorus and reverb in the loop and use the four cable method.

tuner=>Ts-808=>Riot=>NS2 in=>NS2 Send=> Amp input
FX loop Send=>NS2 Return=>NS2 Out=>CH1=>RV5=>FX loop Return.


if not then just put the NS2 before the chorus and reverb
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First, figure out what the source of those noise is. If it's your guitar, stick your NS-2 in the front (meaning not in the effects loop). If it's the amp, then put it in the effects loop. I've never used a chorus pedal, I imagine it'd be fine either way since it isn't really time-based.

Noise gates/suppressors work best placed last on either side of the chain with the exception of time-based effects.
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From your guitar go: Tuner > Distorion > Wah > Modulation (or separately in FX loop) > Noise suppressor > Amp
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what's your amp?
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Quote by loki_lulamen
does your amp have an FX loop?

if so put the chorus and reverb in the loop and use the four cable method.

tuner=>Ts-808=>Riot=>NS2 in=>NS2 Send=> Amp input
FX loop Send=>NS2 Return=>NS2 Out=>CH1=>RV5=>FX loop Return.


if not then just put the NS2 before the chorus and reverb


My main amp does but I use different amps all the time and thats the main reason I wanted a Multi-effects pedal. I thought the chorus would go at the end with the reverb but I wasn't sure..thanks.
gruuvybaby
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Quote by 7thString
sell ns-2, buy power supply



What do you mean by power supply? The pedals come with a pretty decent power supply.
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Quote by chrismendiola
First, figure out what the source of those noise is. If it's your guitar, stick your NS-2 in the front (meaning not in the effects loop). If it's the amp, then put it in the effects loop. I've never used a chorus pedal, I imagine it'd be fine either way since it isn't really time-based.

Noise gates/suppressors work best placed last on either side of the chain with the exception of time-based effects.



I'm pretty sure its my guitar because I get noise (hissing) no matter what amp I use...BUT, only when I use overdrive...
gruuvybaby
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Quote by 'DC fan
From your guitar go: Tuner > Distorion > Wah > Modulation (or separately in FX loop) > Noise suppressor > Amp


I don't have Wah but by modulation I guess you mean Chorus and Reverb....So you're suggesting everything within the NS Loop...Hmmm
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Quote by Dave_Mc
what's your amp?



My amp is a Kustom Quad 100 DFX...(Most powerful amp I could afford in my budget)..but its got 2 Celestion 12's
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BTW...I appreciate all the advice and input...I really like this forum. I was on a different site and they basically treated my like I was an idiot. So Cool
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Quote by gruuvybaby
My amp is a Kustom Quad 100 DFX...(Most powerful amp I could afford in my budget)..but its got 2 Celestion 12's


does it have an fx loop? that's sort of what i meant when I asked, and of course kustom seems to have just discontinued that amp so I can't find out on its website
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Quote by Dave_Mc
does it have an fx loop? that's sort of what i meant when I asked, and of course kustom seems to have just discontinued that amp so I can't find out on its website


Yes it does. It has 2 separate lines (switchable) and its got all kinds of effects...I've only had it a week though..lol. Like I said, I use all kinds of amps because I go over to my friends places and we all play together with whatever they have...they are basically teaching me how to play so we have mini-jam sessions. To be more clear......

I know that I want a sound all my own and I want to build a "one box/compact" multi-effects pedal to help me achieve that. Why build one and not buy one you ask...well, I just like tinkering and have built a few guitars and want to build my own multi-effects pedal because most of the ones I have seen are too big or don't have the effects I want. I don't want to go totally state-of-the-art with the multi-effects pedals that have like 1000 presets and stuff...lol. This is why I need to know the proper order to put the pedals in with the NS because they are all going to be incorporated in the same housing and won't be able to be switched around...only on/off.
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Quote by gruuvybaby
BTW...I appreciate all the advice and input...I really like this forum. I was on a different site and they basically treated my like I was an idiot. So Cool

Forums can often be like that. Less common here I think...
I may have been a bit short myself. I was basically saying that 90% of the time noise problems (in pedalboards) come from trying to daisy chain too many pedals or using bad wall-wart style supplies. Something like this http://cioks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=56 could save you many headaches further down the line. That is assuming you don't already have a dedicated power supply.
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any boost/overdrive pedal will also boost the noise level which comes to its input. Try to locate your noise source (maybe it's one of your effects, cables, single coils etc.). A good regulated and well filtered power supply is also preferable
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Quote by gruuvybaby
I don't have Wah but by modulation I guess you mean Chorus and Reverb....So you're suggesting everything within the NS Loop...Hmmm


Yeah modulation is like Chorus/Flangers/Phasers etc, though Reverb would go after the Suppressor otherwise the suppressor may mistake the reverb as noise and kill it a little
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Quote by gruuvybaby
Yes it does. It has 2 separate lines (switchable) and its got all kinds of effects...I've only had it a week though..lol. Like I said, I use all kinds of amps because I go over to my friends places and we all play together with whatever they have...they are basically teaching me how to play so we have mini-jam sessions. To be more clear......

I know that I want a sound all my own and I want to build a "one box/compact" multi-effects pedal to help me achieve that. Why build one and not buy one you ask...well, I just like tinkering and have built a few guitars and want to build my own multi-effects pedal because most of the ones I have seen are too big or don't have the effects I want. I don't want to go totally state-of-the-art with the multi-effects pedals that have like 1000 presets and stuff...lol. This is why I need to know the proper order to put the pedals in with the NS because they are all going to be incorporated in the same housing and won't be able to be switched around...only on/off.


thanks



I'd be inclined to try that since you have a loop. Having extra pedals complicates that somewhat, but (I think) it should still be pretty straightforward (though I haven't tried it myself with extra pedals ). I'm guessing you'd put all your od etc. pedals after the bit where it says "to amp input" (and then plug from the final one of those pedals into the amp input), and put the fx you'd normally put in the loop in the loop as normal, but instead of plugging the cable from the final pedal in your fx loop to the fx loop return on your amp, you'd run the cable to the ns2 where it says "from fx loop send".

complicating matters is that you normally want delays and reverbs unaffected by the gate, so i'd put them after the "to fx loop return" bit on the ns2 (and then run a cable from your final reverb/delay pedal back to the amp's fx loop return.

EDIT: So yeah, just to clarify what I mean there:

Guitar-> Tuner -> NS2 Input .

Then run an instrument cable from NS2 Send -> TS808 clone -> Riot Clone -> Amp Input.

Run an instrument cable from your amp's FX Loop send -> CH1 -> NS2 Return.

Finally run an instrument cable from NS2 Output -> RV5 -> Amp FX Loop Return.

I think. Don't quote me on that.

Also nice of you to say this forum is nice. I try to be nice most of the time but sometimes it's hard. And there is occasional trolling (from me as much as anyone)
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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gruuvybaby
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Quote by 7thString
Forums can often be like that. Less common here I think...
I may have been a bit short myself. I was basically saying that 90% of the time noise problems (in pedalboards) come from trying to daisy chain too many pedals or using bad wall-wart style supplies. Something like this http://cioks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=56 could save you many headaches further down the line. That is assuming you don't already have a dedicated power supply.


OHHH...that kind of power supply No, I don't have a nice one like that. I did, however, look at one of those "HUM X" power supplies and thought about it and actually said to myself, " nah, the Boss one is good enough...lol " . Maybe I need to try one of those...I'll have to wait a couple weeks, it isn't in my budget right now. Thanks
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gruuvybaby
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Quote by jamitfx
any boost/overdrive pedal will also boost the noise level which comes to its input. Try to locate your noise source (maybe it's one of your effects, cables, single coils etc.). A good regulated and well filtered power supply is also preferable


Yeah, its definitely the overdrive pedal guts I built into my guitar. I wonder if one of those solid state overdrive circuits for onboard use would be less noisy?
gruuvybaby
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Quote by 'DC fan
Yeah modulation is like Chorus/Flangers/Phasers etc, though Reverb would go after the Suppressor otherwise the suppressor may mistake the reverb as noise and kill it a little


Thats what I was guessing...because I definitely want to keep all the pretty effects the reverb and chorus make. I remember the first time I plugged one of those in....I was like "damn thats cool "
gruuvybaby
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Quote by Dave_Mc
thanks



I'd be inclined to try that since you have a loop. Having extra pedals complicates that somewhat, but (I think) it should still be pretty straightforward (though I haven't tried it myself with extra pedals ). I'm guessing you'd put all your od etc. pedals after the bit where it says "to amp input" (and then plug from the final one of those pedals into the amp input), and put the fx you'd normally put in the loop in the loop as normal, but instead of plugging the cable from the final pedal in your fx loop to the fx loop return on your amp, you'd run the cable to the ns2 where it says "from fx loop send".

complicating matters is that you normally want delays and reverbs unaffected by the gate, so i'd put them after the "to fx loop return" bit on the ns2 (and then run a cable from your final reverb/delay pedal back to the amp's fx loop return.

EDIT: So yeah, just to clarify what I mean there:

Guitar-> Tuner -> NS2 Input .

Then run an instrument cable from NS2 Send -> TS808 clone -> Riot Clone -> Amp Input.

Run an instrument cable from your amp's FX Loop send -> CH1 -> NS2 Return.

Finally run an instrument cable from NS2 Output -> RV5 -> Amp FX Loop Return.

I think. Don't quote me on that.

Also nice of you to say this forum is nice. I try to be nice most of the time but sometimes it's hard. And there is occasional trolling (from me as much as anyone)


I will definitely try to hook it up that way...I should have time after work today...I'll post my results. THANKS for taking the time to gather all the info for me. Really cool
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No worries

Just bear in mind, I'm assuming that's the way you'd connect pedals into it. I've only ever tried the X-pattern thing with my NS2 without any extra pedals to complicate things even more
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?