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ok I'm genuinely interested in this net neutrality thing but don't really understand it.

Could someone give me a run-down of the issues?
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ok I'm genuinely interested in this net neutrality thing but don't really understand it.

Could someone give me a run-down of the issues?



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ok I'm genuinely interested in this net neutrality thing but don't really understand it.

Could someone give me a run-down of the issues?


Read the ****ing article
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Read the ****ing article

I didn't see an article, just a page telling me to sign up for stuff, then showing pictures of loads of people and stuff

If you could tell me where the article is, that would be nice. And I'd prefer a non-biased article (aka one that isn't sponsored by the pro net-neutrality people).
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I think he wants to know more about it than that. He wants to know why lawmakers are interested in signing the law. Stuff like that.
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ok I'm genuinely interested in this net neutrality thing but don't really understand it.

Could someone give me a run-down of the issues?

Popular sites will be given special priority if your isp wants it too. A fast lane.

Your isp could also just block your connection to sites it just doesn't like.

Net neutrality ensures you have an equal and fair connection to whatever you want.
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I didn't see an article, just a page telling me to sign up for stuff, then showing pictures of loads of people and stuff

If you could tell me where the article is, that would be nice. And I'd prefer a non-biased article (aka one that isn't sponsored by the pro net-neutrality people).


From a writer about it on Tumblr

Basically that some greedy companies want to charge you differently depending on what websites you use. Right now no matter what website you visit they are treated the same. Netflix or your local store down the road both load at the same speed. This is net neutrality, up into this point all providers had to treat each site the same regardless of who owned it.

Without net neutrality internet providers can start offering “premium internet” or fast lanes for an extra cost, that they will claim will be faster…. in truth these fast lanes are being made by slowing everyone else down. They are planning to charge you more for the same service and making everyone else suffer.

That isn’t all, this fast lane option will only be available if you are using one of the major internet providers like Charter or Comcast. If you are like me and are forced to use small ISP because that is the only option in your area you will get hit by the slow speeds and be unable to even buy the fast lane pass.

Consumers are not the only ones getting screwed in this net neutrality thing. Big companies like Netflix and Youtube are being forced to pay the ISP big bucks to have the faster speeds. Out of fear that having slow loading time for videos and web pages will hurt their business. This also hurts small companies to can’t afford to pay off the ISP mob for higher speeds.

In short you will soon be paying more to enjoy the same service you already have, because some greedy people decided the internet as it is is too big of a bargain.
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From a couple articles, what I have is this:

ISP's have the ability to let some sites load faster or slower as they see fit, but their choices are biased by traffic, which ads they want, or if they want sites they don't like to be slower as a form of censorship. Because there aren't a lot of ISP's, it's a near monopoly so there's no real way to fight this.

Net Neutrality is essentially letting allowing everyone the full bandwidth as paid for?
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From a writer about it on Tumblr

Basically that some greedy companies want to charge you differently depending on what websites you use. Right now no matter what website you visit they are treated the same. Netflix or your local store down the road both load at the same speed. This is net neutrality, up into this point all providers had to treat each site the same regardless of who owned it.

Without net neutrality internet providers can start offering “premium internet” or fast lanes for an extra cost, that they will claim will be faster…. in truth these fast lanes are being made by slowing everyone else down. They are planning to charge you more for the same service and making everyone else suffer.

That isn’t all, this fast lane option will only be available if you are using one of the major internet providers like Charter or Comcast. If you are like me and are forced to use small ISP because that is the only option in your area you will get hit by the slow speeds and be unable to even buy the fast lane pass.

Consumers are not the only ones getting screwed in this net neutrality thing. Big companies like Netflix and Youtube are being forced to pay the ISP big bucks to have the faster speeds. Out of fear that having slow loading time for videos and web pages will hurt their business. This also hurts small companies to can’t afford to pay off the ISP mob for higher speeds.

In short you will soon be paying more to enjoy the same service you already have, because some greedy people decided the internet as it is is too big of a bargain.
J


Source:http://shadow-the-kitsune-coffeeshop.tumblr.com/post/97142199906/so-what-is-this-fcc-thingy



Wow, thats ****ed. I didnt know this part. Other than shitty U-Verse there's nothing else in my area. My town is fortunate to have a publicly owned ISP thats damn good. I'd be totally screwed in this situation, seriously **** comcast
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My ISP also blocks file sharing sites and that is pissing me off 'cause I have to open the TOR browser everytime to download stuff* from uploaded.to and similar websites.

So yeah I would like net neutrality, but that link in particular doesn't address a solution that will affect Italy, so I think I'll keep laughing at my ISP trying to **** me over.

That's a good idea tho.
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From a couple articles, what I have is this:

ISP's have the ability to let some sites load faster or slower as they see fit, but their choices are biased by traffic, which ads they want, or if they want sites they don't like to be slower as a form of censorship. Because there aren't a lot of ISP's, it's a near monopoly so there's no real way to fight this.

Net Neutrality is essentially letting allowing everyone the full bandwidth as paid for?

Essentially, yes.

As it sits right now no matter how much you pay or how good or how bad your internet is you have access to everything. If the law goes through isps will be able to tell you what you get and can access based on how much you pay, on the consumer end. It gets a bit more complicated on the business end, but essentially it's bad news for everyone unless you can pay premiums for it.

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I don't get that. I pay for basic internet and get shit internet. If I want I can pay for faster internet and get better internet.
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But you have access to everything on your shitty internet. If the law goes through, isps can pick and choose who gets what based on how much they're willing to pay.

I worded it really badly, too lazy to go and edit it edited anyway
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Say goodbye to any small business who wants to run a website.
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From a writer about it on Tumblr

Source: a furry on tumblr


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I already signed petition and shared it on FB

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Meh, I only use relatively popular sites anyway. I say yes to this.

You're a dumbass.

The absence of net neutrality has the potential to turn the Internet into a media oligopoly, which has serious negative implications for digital economy, innovation, and quality of use for everybody.

Given that the Internet is so inherently integrated into most developed countries' economy, culture, and progress, lack of net neutrality puts all of that at risk.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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You're a dumbass.

The absence of net neutrality has the potential to turn the Internet into a media oligopoly, which has serious negative implications for digital economy, innovation, and quality of use for everybody.


This. ^
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You're a dumbass.

The absence of net neutrality has the potential to turn the Internet into a media oligarchy, which has serious negative implications for digital economy, innovation, and quality of use for everybody.

this is the part that concerns me the most.

If you want to have it, you have to pay for it. There are going to be so many business, small websites and e-stores that aren't going to be able to pay for the traffic/bandwidth that are just going to be told "oh well, should've made more money".

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Then if it's so bad no one that matters will let it happen

You're unfathomable.

Seriously. It has potential to make investors and the companies (especially the companies) more money, and bring in even more revenue through deals with companies. There's a strong chance it will happen.
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Then if it's so bad no one that matters will let it happen
They already did. It's called the government. It's not like they've ever let anything bad happen before.

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Hooray, yet another attempt at trying to rid the internet of what makes it awesome in the first place!
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Netflix isn't a hightraffic site?

Well Comcast and Netflix don't like eachother very much. I can't see it going well for Netflix if this passes
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I used to get called a conspiracy nut for not liking the government, when did it become acceptable to do so?
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I used to get called a conspiracy nut for not liking the government, when did it become acceptable to do so?

When they started doing shitty stuff way more blatantly in the public eye
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I used to get called a conspiracy nut for not liking the government, when did it become acceptable to do so?

This is not a conspiracy by the government. In fact it is the exact opposite. This happened because of their incompetence, as usual.

The government does not have an accurate grasp on the Internet and technology in general, so they're applying and considering law surrounding this topic while having a poor understanding of it.

Net Neutrality ended because the existing language in the FCC regulations did not explicitly cover this or grant FCC authority on this matter and the federal gov has been dragging their feet on updating the regulations since, like they do with everything else.

To be fair, the private market could potentially maintain NN if there are incentives to do so. Google has the best chance to lead the way. But at the same time, government incompetence/lobbyist bribes (same thing) could also hinder this. (see legal issues with Tesla)

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It's also misclassified; should've been telecommunications service instead of information service. Because of that isps are exempt from the rules that carriers are held to, which actually would make this little stunt they're pulling nigh impossible
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Yeah Anti-Net Neutrality is one of those things that makes you go "Huh? Who could ever approve of this shit?", and yet it apparently is going to happen.

When those that are trying to bill it give bullshit excuses like "the site you love will be faster!" or some shit is just hilarious. They also like to spout the whole "the internet will innovate!" bullshit or whatever excuse too.


Also some people seem to not notice that it's not just web sites this legislation affects, but all internet data.
Basically, an ISP can check an incoming and outgoing internet data packet, and decide what "lane" to put it (fast, slow, uberly slow so every traffic is ****ed) in from any info inside of it.
Is HBO angry that many people pirate Game of Thrones? Well, it's as easy as giving Comcast or whatever a big pile of money so they slow down all traffic of BitTorrent data. But maybe only the ones respecting Game of Thrones, but let the torrents about movies go through the fast lane, so HBO can get more subscribers after the movie industry crumbles! MWAHAHAHA (okay I got carried away).
Does Microsoft/Apple/whatever own a specific image/video format? Well, they can just give money to the ISP so the HTTP requests for the media with that format goes faster than the rest. Now you won't be able to watch cute gifs of cats in the internet anymore because each one will need 20 seconds to load.
Or they could just have a huge database of "known" connections, and slow down the ones they don't know about (like maybe slowing down TOR data, so now there's no true anonymity in the internet anymore).
Okay, these examples may be extreme (or maybe just wrong), but there are a lot of other things this legislation affects, not just "oh noes! I can't watch my pornz anymor!".

It just gives them so much power on SO many levels, not just web sites. At least I think so (it's not like I read the actual legislation, that's boring). But why the **** would giving them so much power be a good idea? Maybe the current CEOs or whatever are nice people and regulate things nicely, but it doesn't stop some greedy fat **** coming 2 years from now and just completely destroying everything, specially since it's like a monopoly and all over there.

Also it ****s with the rest of the world. American ISP's thinks they are the kings of the world and they **** up every internet connection not only coming from America, but INTO America and THROUGH America. Which is like....every single internet connection ever.

Seriously, not cool. Get your shit together USA


To be honest I'm kind of glad our internet connection over here is run by the government. It gives me a little safety that shit like this is not likely to happen over here (though if it happens in America it's like it is happening over here anyways).
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Its like how on TV you have to buy packages for different channels. Before you could get whatever you could pick up. Now they want to make it so you have to buy packages of websites n stuff. Bad bad.
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Xiaoxi I love how bureaucratic your hate is for the government
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Oh shit people on UG care about this now

what took you guys so long

Kind of what I'm wondering...
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