#1
this is just kind of stupid, but a read it a lot and different people are seeming to use it differently. would saturated be the opposite? wet (reverb/delau).

just wanted to clear that up for myself.
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Not really because saturated is a term we already use for something else. ie. really distorted. Wet/dry is used when referring to effect level generally, the term saturated is already taken by something specific.
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Not really because saturated is a term we already use for something else. ie. really distorted. Wet/dry is used when referring to effect level generally, the term saturated is already taken by something specific.


i am not thinking its a wet dry effects i am wondering "this is a dry amp" what is it like, sounds stupid and pointless, but i just don't know.

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subjective drivel, not a clear definition.
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Well, in that case, maybe. When people say "dry amp" I think, really low THD. ie no colouring through distortion. And let's call a spade a spade - warmth is subtle distortion of the signal. Which would be consistent with the term "saturated." Saturated is high gain like the hot channel on a Mesa Mark.
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i am familiar with my MKIV. and know what you mean with that being saturated.
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This is an interesting subject because I know exactly what you're talking about, and I know what I want to say to you, but I don't know the words to really say it. Which I think is the point of this thread, no? It's very hard to describe this stuff.

But basically yeah it's like you said, a lack of reverb makes something dry. And FX aside, a lot of amps seem to sound reverberous on their own, whereas some don't and are noticeable for it.

I think it can also be achieved/described by a lack of bass - more bass makes a tone sound more wet (a better word for this descriptor I think would be juicy).
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This is an interesting subject because I know exactly what you're talking about, and I know what I want to say to you, but I don't know the words to really say it. Which I think is the point of this thread, no? It's very hard to describe this stuff.

But basically yeah it's like you said, a lack of reverb makes something dry. And FX aside, a lot of amps seem to sound reverberous on their own, whereas some don't and are noticeable for it.

I think it can also be achieved/described by a lack of bass - more bass makes a tone sound more wet (a better word for this descriptor I think would be juicy).


yea the point is, "your amp sounds dry" some call my Sig:X dry i don't get what they are thinking

i think the MKIV being saturated and can grasp that,

but "dry"just an odd seemingly ambiguous with a broad use and people may not be saying it for the same description.

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When I hear "dry amp" I think things like Roland JC120, Yamaha G100, etc. ie, clean and clear with very little colouring.
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When I hear "dry amp" I think things like Roland JC120, Yamaha G100, etc. ie, clean and clear with very little colouring.


i would agree that the JC is what is so far established would be considered dry.
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JC120 is sterile. I don't like it.
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To me, "dry" just means straight from guitar to amp. Or maybe, just plain no effects. He may have meant "crisp". Usually when things are crispy, they're dry. Eh?
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To me, "dry" just means straight from guitar to amp. Or maybe, just plain no effects. He may have meant "crisp". Usually when things are crispy, they're dry. Eh?


champagne is considered as well IMO. not that Moscato my wife likes. Too damn sweet.

thank you all I think I have more of a general idea
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I've used it in my own mind to describe an amp that is distorted, but it is tight, lacks saturation and would make all of my horribly sloppy technique shine through.
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champagne is considered as well IMO. not that Moscato my wife likes. Too damn sweet.

thank you all I think I have more of a general idea

I'm sure the Sig X is plenty sweet.
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I've used it in my own mind to describe an amp that is distorted, but it is tight, lacks saturation and would make all of my horribly sloppy technique shine through.


that is the perfect way to describe My kt88 splawns.
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fryette/vht was always described as sounding "dry". dunno if that's BS or not
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I've always thought it too be a not so overly saturated, very articulate amp. Like someone previously said, an amp that is very articulate and is unforgiving. It makes you a better player because you don't get away with much. At least that's what I've always thought. I've heard the carvin Legacy is supposed to be a pretty dry amp and I thought is way articulate and unforgiving. Just my two cents.
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If I heard someone describe an amp as "dry," I'd think they were saying the amp was very sterile and/or super clear to the point where low end is insanely tight and there's not a lot of exciting qualities to the tone.

I've actually heard lots of people describe Fryette/VHT amps as "dry," but I don't really understand their definition, because the only thing I'd describe as "dry" in the Fryettes I've played or owned is the cleans on some of them I'd say, the few amps I've played that I'd personally describe as "dry" are the Diezel VH4 and Mesa Mark IV, as well as the obvious Roland JC120, but I think "dry" is a common term I'd use for most solid state amps.
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I think dry is a completely different description from sterile. But as everything else when it comes to tone, its very hard to describe in words and those words are up for interpretation. I've never considered dry to describe a bad quality in tone, always thought it described the articulation and note separation.
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I'm in the process of building an entirely new rig, and this type of rig is often referred to as a wet/dry rig, and in that particular case the definitions mean the following:

dry = sound of the guitar direct into the amp, or boosted for lead tones
wet = the sound of just the reverb, the modulated signal for chorus/flanger etc, echoes from a delay effect, with no dry sound present in the signal.

But I also use the term "dry" to refer to a very un-coloured sound with a very flat frequency curve. For example the speakers in the Roland JC-120 - they seem to lack the high frequency roll-off and upper-midrange spike that lots of conventional guitar speakers have. But that's because the JC-120 was originally meant for keyboards, probably designed to amplify Roland's Juno synths or something.
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I think dry is a completely different description from sterile. But as everything else when it comes to tone, its very hard to describe in words and those words are up for interpretation. I've never considered dry to describe a bad quality in tone, always thought it described the articulation and note separation.

Every amp I've ever played that had tons of articulation and note separation was very sterile sounding in comparison to others. Probably why I've given up on finding an amp that is super articulate, cause they have no redeeming qualities of tone that I find exciting to listen to
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To me a 5150/6505 sounds incredibly dry. It's like the polar opposite of a super liquidy Recto. For whatever reason, that's just what my mind jumps to for "dry"
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no shit, right? it's almost like everyone has a different idea of what these qualitative descriptions mean, rendering it pretty useless.

i think my drink has a fruity nose, with hints of lavander, mint and dark chocolate hiding behind it's bold charred oak barrel finish and finishes with a pleasantly spicy black pepper taste. at least that has descriptions you can relate to with previous experiences, something you have experienced before and gives you an idea of what to expect.

if i said the drink was dark smelling, with a loud but pink flavor behind a rough texture and finishes with a tintinnabulation then that might form ideas in your head but the idea would be completely different for one person as it would be for another. making the description highly subjective and not very useful to convey an experience (unless you both share a common experience of synesthesia, and even someone else with synesthesia would probably insist the texture was more sticky and the color was more blue).

this is why i think calling an amp 'dry' is not an overly useful way to describe and amp's tone.
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When I use it, I mean it's got a quick response and not a lot of give/compression.
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I know what you are talking about trashedlostfdup.

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I always associated Dry with articulate and note separation and Wet as 'overly' saturated or liquid like - like your Mark.

Not saying that is right or wrong, just how I associate. Conversely, I can make my Splawn more wet sounding and the Rectoverb more dry


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I think dry is a completely different description from sterile. But as everything else when it comes to tone, its very hard to describe in words and those words are up for interpretation. I've never considered dry to describe a bad quality in tone, always thought it described the articulation and note separation.

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I'm in the process of building an entirely new rig, and this type of rig is often referred to as a wet/dry rig, and in that particular case the definitions mean the following:

dry = sound of the guitar direct into the amp, or boosted for lead tones
wet = the sound of just the reverb, the modulated signal for chorus/flanger etc, echoes from a delay effect, with no dry sound present in the signal.

But I also use the term "dry" to refer to a very un-coloured sound with a very flat frequency curve. For example the speakers in the Roland JC-120 - they seem to lack the high frequency roll-off and upper-midrange spike that lots of conventional guitar speakers have. But that's because the JC-120 was originally meant for keyboards, probably designed to amplify Roland's Juno synths or something.

Blompcube - in these examples we are referring to how the distortion of the amp sounds and how it reacts to your picking etc. I think.

What you are referring to is FX loops and a live sound no? In that case you are dead on. Dry = mono signal guitar>amp no treatment. Wet = effects, loops, stereo, etc etc


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Blompcube - in these examples we are referring to how the distortion of the amp sounds and how it reacts to your picking etc. I think.

What you are referring to is FX loops and a live sound no? In that case you are dead on. Dry = mono signal guitar>amp no treatment. Wet = effects, loops, stereo, etc etc

Yeah, kinda. I was referring to a stereo rig that separates the basic guitar into amp sound from the modulated and delayed signals.

I've never really heard the term dry to describe the character of the distortion before but I think I understand. Dry = tight and punchy, Wet = soft and 'saggy' (as in tube sag)? Too many different definitions for the same term for me to comprehend now though
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#31
^right

I don't think it is an easy thing to nail down.

For example, I consider my Mesa to be very tight and punchy but it is still not 'dry' like the Quick Rod. Compressed is probably a better word to use to describe the Mesa. Conversely, I don't consider my Mesa to be soft and saggy either even though I consider it much more 'wet' than a Splawn.

PS: I don't think we are talking about tube sag. We are talking about the how the amp circuit is designed and how it interacts with your guitar/pups and more importantly, your pick attack.

As mentioned, another way to look at it is that a Dry amp will show all of your mistakes and weaknesses. Articulate and percussive is how I'd describe it. Uncompressed, open and with note definition on a higher order than its peers. That's how I would define 'dry'.

To me, a Wet amp can still be percussive and 'tight' but will be more compressed, slightly less definition, more saturated, and therefore - more forgiving.

Probably why I like playing my Rectoverb so much


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#32
I've heard people use the term "dry" to describe an amp but never "wet." "Saturated," yes, but never "wet"
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