#1
I'm planning on purchasing a new guitar cab but i'm not sure which ones to get.

I'm currently using the H&K Tubemeister 36 Head but i want a new cab (obviously). Preferebally a 4x12. I've looked at a few but i want to make sure i get one compatible with my Head

Laney Ironheart IRT412
Laney GS412
Marshall MG412BCF
Last edited by FabzGuitar at Sep 14, 2014,
#2
I wouldn't get the MG cab.

Any specific reason why a 4x12
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#3
Location? Budget?
If it's Europe, get a Harley Benton G212 vintage, dirt cheap 2x12 with v30s. But yeah, I don't know about the GS412, but I expect it ain't great like the others, the IRT cab has s**t speakers, and the Marshall is just s**t over all.
#4
Where are you located and what is your budget? we can find you some great deals on a very nice cab
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#5
Honestly as long as the Ohmage matches (eg, the ohm output on the head isn't more than on the cab) it's all good, most 4x12s are 16ohm which is pretty high, I have the Laney Ironheart 2x12 and that's pretty good and value for the money
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Honestly as long as the Ohmage matches (eg, the ohm output on the head isn't more than on the cab) it's all good, most 4x12s are 16ohm which is pretty high, I have the Laney Ironheart 2x12 and that's pretty good and value for the money


yes impedance is essential.

But IMO speakers have the largest impact on your tone are the speakers followed by the quality of the enclosure
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#7
avatar or splawn 2x12. quality over quantity, get WGS or whatever is in the splawn or the celestions that come in the avatar. awesome options.

almost nobody but a touring musician has use for a 4x12 today. or a guy playing un-miced. i just was at 2 weeks of guitar festivals. 2 weeks. almost 4 out of 7 days a wee back to back seeing anything from electronica, metal, jack white, gary clark, punk, mastadon. you name it.

there were only 3 bands / groups using 4 x 12s or multiple 4 x12 cabinets.
1. metal bands
2. Fuel (marshall full stack)
3. a band called dead gaze which used a deveille 4x10 and bassman with another 4x10 cab, unmiced in a small intimiate venue....i just about went deaf sitting center stage.

out of about the other 200+ bands i saw, almost everybody was using 2x12 combos / amp variations.

i think if jack white and gary clark and manage, so can anybody else.
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another note- splawn 2x12 over MG 4x12 ANY DAY. dont spend the money on garbage! MGs are just not great products. its like bugera. it really is a budget product but jeez even bugera makes a cheapo tube amp sound decent. MGs dont even sound good. both companies make crap-tastic cabinets. (marshall MG line....not their USA 1960 style cabs. those are beast).
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Last edited by ikey_ at Sep 15, 2014,
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avatar or splawn 2x12. quality over quantity, get WGS or whatever is in the splawn or the celestions that come in the avatar. awesome options.

almost nobody but a touring musician has use for a 4x12 today. or a guy playing un-miced. i just was at 2 weeks of guitar festivals. 2 weeks. almost 4 out of 7 days a wee back to back seeing anything from electronica, metal, jack white, gary clark, punk, mastadon. you name it.

there were only 3 bands / groups using 4 x 12s or multiple 4 x12 cabinets.
1. metal bands
2. Fuel (marshall full stack)
3. a band called dead gaze which used a deveille 4x10 and bassman with another 4x10 cab, unmiced in a small intimiate venue....i just about went deaf sitting center stage.

out of about the other 200+ bands i saw, almost everybody was using 2x12 combos / amp variations.

i think if jack white and gary clark and manage, so can anybody else.
____

another note- splawn 2x12 over MG 4x12 ANY DAY. dont spend the money on garbage! MGs are just not great products. its like bugera. it really is a budget product but jeez even bugera makes a cheapo tube amp sound decent. MGs dont even sound good. both companies make crap-tastic cabinets. (marshall MG line....not their USA 1960 style cabs. those are beast).

And the bands not using 4x12's obviously sucked

I have played live for 15+ yrs almost all of that time I have used a 4x12 and never had an issue

PS the real Marshall's are UK not USA have been since the 1960's
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avatar or splawn 2x12. quality over quantity, get WGS or whatever is in the splawn or the celestions that come in the avatar. awesome options.

almost nobody but a touring musician has use for a 4x12 today. or a guy playing un-miced. i just was at 2 weeks of guitar festivals. 2 weeks. almost 4 out of 7 days a wee back to back seeing anything from electronica, metal, jack white, gary clark, punk, mastadon. you name it.

there were only 3 bands / groups using 4 x 12s or multiple 4 x12 cabinets.
1. metal bands
2. Fuel (marshall full stack)
3. a band called dead gaze which used a deveille 4x10 and bassman with another 4x10 cab, unmiced in a small intimiate venue....i just about went deaf sitting center stage.

out of about the other 200+ bands i saw, almost everybody was using 2x12 combos / amp variations.

i think if jack white and gary clark and manage, so can anybody else.
____

another note- splawn 2x12 over MG 4x12 ANY DAY. dont spend the money on garbage! MGs are just not great products. its like bugera. it really is a budget product but jeez even bugera makes a cheapo tube amp sound decent. MGs dont even sound good. both companies make crap-tastic cabinets. (marshall MG line....not their USA 1960 style cabs. those are beast).


YMMV, but there is always a use and a preference. i run 4x12"s. i have 2x12" i run too. its not like a 4x12" is much louder than a 2x12" a little bit, but not really a ton, just a bit bigger, not like they aren't as good because they aren't bigger.
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And the bands not using 4x12's obviously sucked

I have played live for 15+ yrs almost all of that time I have used a 4x12 and never had an issue

PS the real Marshall's are UK not USA have been since the 1960's


+3.1415.

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also missed it somewhere, but Splawn's woodworking is top notch, both of my head shells are perfect. no blemishes at all, well built. i can only assume his cabinets are too.
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#11
I was practicing in my tracking room today and boy cutting that lead with a half stack really worked in a way that my small tube combos didn't. Nothing wrong with 4x12 or 2x12 for that matter - they're both good and serve a purpose. I downsized my gig rig to 2x12 as transporting the big lug became an issue but most of my career I've used half stack and we miked the stacks sideways towards stage left or right respectfully, so as not to blast the audience and let FOH do the job. In gigs with puny monitoring we kept them angled towards the drummer. Big stacks has enough power to handle all situations so if you can get only one cab and transport is not an issue 4x12 is the way to go. You don't have to crank at max.
#12
Hell, I used a 6x12 for a long time. Now I'm using either a 2x12 or 4x12. I'd have used a full stack at times if I had one - and wasn't so short.
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#13
I'm located in the UK, specifically London. My budget at the moment is max £500 for a cab. I just preferred the size of a 4x12. My personal preferance i guess but 2x12 just seems odd shaped. or it could be me. But if you have any sugestions for a 2x12 or even a 4x12, just reply. I guess thats what the community of musicians is for. I just need a cab that runs ok with my TM36H. If you need me to list the settings for the head i can do so.
#16
I don't like straight cabs because you don't have ears in your knees.
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#18
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I don't like straight cabs because you don't have ears in your knees.

And I like straight cabs because of the little bit of added bass response. But your 100% right on an angle cab being more practical for preformances.
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#19
crickets have ears in their knees

gotta wonder at the wisdom of designing cabs for crickets. not sure that many of them play guitar.

makes more sense than plenty of marshall's other business decisions though
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#20
i can count on one had how many times ive seen a full stack on stage. generally its a crap ton of combos all miced up.

most people i see even mix a 1x12 through the PA. just the music i listen to i suppose.
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