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#1
So I'm taking philosophy of art this semester and we have gone over Plato, Neitzche, and Tolstoy. They all have different ways of looking at art, and its contribution to society.

This week our professor has assigned us to go out and find a "piece" that we consider "not art" and explain why. Since we are speaking of Tolstoy, the theme is expressionism, so in order for a peice to be considered "not-art" then it must not be intended to evoke emotion.

The piece can be anything from visual, musical, pretty much anything. I already have a couple things in mind, but I wondered to myself what all you pitmonkeys would think constitutes "not art" in this sense.

Whatcha think? Examples preferred, but not necessary.

EDIT:
Keep in mind that I understand that just about everything can be considered art in one way or another, however my question here pertains to the theme of expressionism, or the sense of expressing or invoking emotion - and that emotion should be intentional, something the artist themselves wanted you to feel in regards to the piece.
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#3
Everyone will just post something that's art by definition. But they don't personally like it and think it's stupid or offensive so they'll say it's not art.
#6
Anything can be art in some way or another. I could argue why your dogs shit in your backyard is art
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Everyone will just post something that's art by definition. But they don't personally like it and think it's stupid or offensive so they'll say it's not art.



I consider almost everything to be art, but this particular question has some criteria regarding the expression of emotion.
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#12
How do you intend to evoke emotion?

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And yeah.

If that's your definition though, then my answer is every Stravinsky ever.

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#15
Art is that which snooty dicks define as such.

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#20
I just went to a comedy show a few weeks ago where the lead act pointed out that really, everything is art.

For an example, look at the nice little borders we put on our speed limit signs in North America. Any reason for those to be there other than they look nice? Not really.
#21
How is it not "something someone created with the intention to express"? Not sure I buy into the everything is art thing. Perhaps but wouldn't it only be art when explained why there's something in it that expresses, in which case the person explaining in some way is the artist?
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#23
Everything is art really.


Though I will still argue that stupid thing such as putting a urinal on its side, a lobster phone or...or...this

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isn't art. Though if it is supposed to bring out an emotion in me to be art, then I guess it is because I know some dipshit somewhere thinks this stuff is amazing, and that grinds my gears.


Art should be something that takes talent to do, not just something made by the actions of a moron.
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#25
I just want to point out, that TS only needs something that wasn't intended to invoke emotion. It doesn't matter who considers it art. For the sake of his assignment, he just needs something that was not designed to invoke emotion.
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#26
I feel like it's just gonna be he can pull anything out of his ass like a blade of grass and the professor will explain why everyone's wrong lol
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I feel like it's just gonna be he can pull anything out of his ass like a blade of grass and the professor will explain why everyone's wrong lol


It is an art class, I can see this happening.

"Surprise bitches I just made you do an assignment to make you think about a point I could've made in one minute"
#28
christ, how hard is it to get really angry and throw some paint at a canvas? yeah it might be art but it doesn't make it impressive.
#29
sigh... art is not inherently made to evoke emotions.

See, this is why philosophy is useless.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#30
The subjective nature of emotionality ruins any attempt to classify art as something that is meant to induce emotion. Art is like life: It's what you make it.
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sigh... art is not inherently made to evoke emotions.

See, this is why philosophy is useless.


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#34
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sigh... art is not inherently made to evoke emotions.

See, this is why philosophy is useless.

well apparently that's just the definition for expressionism so i mean yeah it's kinda different in our culture
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#36
Any object designed to be purely functional with no regards to aesthetics would be concidered 'not art' by Tolstoy
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#37
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Any tool designed to be purely functional with no regards to aesthetics would be concidered 'not art' by Tolstoy


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#38
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You heard it here first folks, dildos are art

According to Tolstoy they would be
You who build these altars now

To sacrifice these children
You must not do it anymore
#39
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Any object designed to be purely functional with no regards to aesthetics would be concidered 'not art' by Tolstoy

To sum up:
All of it. None of it.
#40
would a book be "regarding aesthetics" according to him though? because the aesthetic (if there is one) is in your head and not something you can see

and books are clearly art imo

^how is nothing art? where do you get that from
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