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#1
So this conversation with Dreadnought got me thinking about my extremist revolutionary ideas and my admiration for Che, that maybe both things are exaggerated not only compared to some people's ideas but also compared to the pit's ideas.

So pitters, when is it the case to start a revolution?
When is it right to do it?
When does it become a must?
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#3
When you hear the people sing, singing the songs of angry men; the music of the people who will not be slaves again. Usually when the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drum you know there's a life about to start when the morning comes.
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#5
When capitalism no longer works.
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When the liberals take away all your rights and give your money to people too lazy to work

same thing as I've just mentioned really.
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When capitalism no longer works.


>implying capitalism works

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#8
When an old pig tells you to.


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#9
When there are civil rights abuses by the government.

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got me thinking about my extremist revolutionary ideas and my admiration for Che,

Lol, you're like 16 right?
#12
When OP realizes that communism is only possible after capitalism.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#13
Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa

Bandiera rossa, bandiera rossa

Avanti o popolo, alla riscossa

Bandiera rossa trionferà.


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staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#14
When it has adequate funding by George Soros.
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When capitalism no longer works.
Like, everytime?
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When there are civil rights abuses by the government.
Like, most of the time and in june of last year in particular?
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Lol, you're like 16 right?
Yeah he was a bad guy and he didn't conclude anything and he was a castro's pawn and he killed a lot of people and he was a bad guy.

Mind elaborating?

Also I'm 17
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#16


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#17
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Like, everytime?

Capitalism works just fine.

It is necessary as an engine of human progress. Notice that most major socialist/communist societies gradually change into capitalist ones.

This is not to say that it doesn't cause suffering, but for most of history progress has come at the expense of human suffering. Yet it is our natural instincts to progress forward as quickly as possible.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#18
I like Che too. I'm not even a socialist. But after reading Jon Anderson's biography of him, on a personal level, I love the guy.

The answer to your question is when you can get away with it.
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#19
Right now, Spambot!
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Notice that most major socialist/communist societies gradually change into capitalist ones.
If ya ask me, communism as it was described by Marx is a fantasy, and no country really ever applied actual communism.

Actual communism as in (quoting the beautiful song JamSessionFreak posted) "the result of work will go to benefit the ones who work".

I agree with you though that all countries that tried ended up as capitalists, but I kinda see it as a consequence of other bigger and more powerful countries being capitalist, and adopting capitalism more or less was the only effective way and surely it was the most practical way of competing with those bigger countries.
Name's Luca.

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When you hear the people sing, singing the songs of angry men; the music of the people who will not be slaves again. Usually when the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drum you know there's a life about to start when the morning comes.

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If ya ask me, communism as it was described by Marx is a fantasy, and no country really ever applied actual communism.

Actual communism as in (quoting the beautiful song JamSessionFreak posted) "the result of work will go to benefit the ones who work".

I agree with you though that all countries that tried ended up as capitalists, but I kinda see it as a consequence of other bigger and more powerful countries being capitalist, and adopting capitalism more or less was the only effective way and surely it was the most practical way of competing with those bigger countries.

One didn't. It fell to nationalism born out of the death of a leader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1AY4a34DCc.


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silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#23
When compared to Fidel, Che is totally lame. He broke his code, just like Omar, and we know what happens after that.

But, as my current meat suit would have said, a revolution is appropriate when there are no options left, or you know their are no other options will work.

As a near immortal Lizard Man, I would say, all human life and behavior is inconsequential.
#24
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When the liberals take away all your rights and give your money to people too lazy to work


All human life and activity is inconsequential, especially your love of capitalism.
#25
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Capitalism works just fine.

It is necessary as an engine of human progress. Notice that most major socialist/communist societies gradually change into capitalist ones.

This is not to say that it doesn't cause suffering, but for most of history progress has come at the expense of human suffering. Yet it is our natural instincts to progress forward as quickly as possible.


Incorrect, the two are constantly in flux, just as we planned it.
#26
When all other methods have been exhausted or proven ineffective
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#27
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Yeah he was a bad guy and he didn't conclude anything and he was a castro's pawn and he killed a lot of people and he was a bad guy.

Mind elaborating?

Also I'm 17

That explains a lot. Really. A lot.

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When the system is non-functional. By that I mean, when it devolved into a state whereby no law or mandate could possibly fix the system.
#28
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If ya ask me, communism as it was described by Marx is a fantasy, and no country really ever applied actual communism.
Right there is where one checks out. I'm done. Hahaha. It's only ever the realsystem you describe when it works, and, as always, conveniently there is no concrete outline for that working Utopian dream, so all other definitions are wrong.
#29
whenever you have something to gain from it
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#30
Che is complicated. He was an idealist and became a revolutionary for the best of intentions, fought gallantly as a charismatic leader, and in the end, he became the oppressor. Lining up hundreds of Cuban civilians who didn't agree with him and shooting them down. He became exactly the thing he fought against.

Che is an apt symbol of socialist revolution. The best of intentions and the most horrific outcomes.
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#32
I, being part of a very militarised revolution (which ended up a bit like Che's life) have to say with a very stubborn/tyrant/reckless/blood-thirsty government the only way of achieving a revolution is guerrilla approach like Che's concepts... Yet this fail shortly against the current 'intel' abilities. This town for one (and the country itself) is being surveilled with thousands and thousands of cameras, satellites possibly too (though not sure about whether this country that I am in, actually has any access to such technology) it makes it almost impossible to go base a small base and then start enrolling the locals into the guerrilla squads and all... So nowadays... revolution is not the case...

unless your people are very aimed and keeps fighting nomatter what like in Ukraine... but then again the government there wasn't as bloody as say Siria
#33
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Capitalism works just fine.

It is necessary as an engine of human progress. Notice that most major socialist/communist societies gradually change into capitalist ones.


They progress to capitalist economies because they have no choice, that is one of the main critiques of capitalism, especially on an international level. With the introduction to globalized economy many developing countries are stuck in their situation since they are dependent on cash crops and the like.

Much like people are forced into the system on a national level, countries are forced as well.

Unless you're really rich and oil wealthy.
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All human life and activity is inconsequential, especially your love of capitalism.

If all human life and activity is inconsequential you cannot posit that my love of capitalism is any more or less inconsequential than any other action you reptilian scum.
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They progress to capitalist economies because they have no choice, that is one of the main critiques of capitalism, especially on an international level. With the introduction to globalized economy many developing countries are stuck in their situation since they are dependent on cash crops and the like.

Much like people are forced into the system on a national level, countries are forced as well.

Unless you're really rich and oil wealthy.

This amounts to little more than "communism, in the presence of capitalism, cannot work."

...modes and scales are still useless.


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