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#1
Hey guys,

Recently during rehearsal I told a joke that caused our (mixed race) keyboard player to have a go at me. Not gonna go into the details of the argument, but here's the joke:

"Why is most jazz in F, Bb and other flat keys?
Because early jazz musicians didn't want to have anything to do with the white keys."

It could be easily altered into

"Why is most country in C major or A minor?
Because early country musicians didn't want to touch the black keys."

The reason I told the first one and not its variation is because I like jazz and don't like country, so I don't usually think about country music.

It's stupid, no person with half a brain would think that seriously. Which is why I (and every one I've told it to minus that dude) have found it funny. (Though from an intellectual point of view, there is a POSSIBILITY that it MIGHT have been true for SOME of these musicians; not necessarily on a conscious level.)


So, my question is: does this joke offend you? Would you consider me a racist for telling it?
Last edited by zObiPhiOn at Oct 6, 2014,
#2
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"Why is most jazz in F, Bb and other flat keys?
Because early jazz musicians didn't want to have anything to do with the white keys."

in any case that is a terribly wordy, shitty joke
#4
so where's the joke?




#6
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this joke is better than your joke TS
#8
Sorry, but if you make a racist joke and it offends a minority, then you've been racist. Kinda how it works.
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#12
You're making a joke about a group of people who were systematically oppressed to someone who may (you didn't say what races. They might be asian and hispanic) be part of that group. They could have family members who had very real experiences about what you're joking about.

I'd say you're the one with half a brain. If that person jokes around like that and clearly doesn't mind if you make jokes about it, whatever. A lot of people don't care. But you really kind of have to respect that someone might be upset over a crude joke. I'm a pretty standard skinny white kid but I get pissed when people tell Native American jokes because I live in a heavily Native area. They're just jokes (like omg don't be so serius) to people like you but someone had to live the reality that spawned the joke, and a lot of times it isn't so funny to them.
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#14
So you tell a joke about avoiding white keys and the first key you mention uses all but one of the white keys? Nice, ts, nice...
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Sorry, but if you make a racist joke and it offends a minority, then you've been racist. Kinda how it works.

Why is it only racist if it offends a minority?
#16
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Why is it only racist if it offends a minority?

Sociology argues that racism/sexism/anything that suggests the marginilisaton of any one group needs to be systematic and ingrained in society. The idea is that prejudice and power together constitute racism/sexism/whatever, and in this case, the majority experiences the power and therefore, does not experience racism/sexism.
#17
F only uses 1 of the 5 black keys. Not only does the joke suck, but it doesn't even make sense.


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Sociology argues that racism/sexism/anything that suggests the marginilisaton of any one group needs to be systematic and ingrained in society. The idea is that prejudice and power together constitute racism/sexism/whatever, and in this case, the majority experiences the power and therefore, does not experience racism/sexism.



Which is a shitty definition specially crafted to absolve any underprivileged groups from any responsibility, but that's an argument for another thread.
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Better joke:
Why are most pop songs written in C major?

Because the Black Keys suck.


Vocalist: Why didn't you transpose it?
Guitarist: I forgot to bring my capo. It's the same song in C major anyway and I'm tone deaf.
Last edited by ha_asgag at Oct 6, 2014,
#20
That's not really racist, considering there's a reason black people often don't trust white people. If anything it's commenting on the social divide rather than mocking the black musicians. Early jazz was a predominantly black scene.

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Sociology argues that racism/sexism/anything that suggests the marginilisaton of any one group needs to be systematic and ingrained in society. The idea is that prejudice and power together constitute racism/sexism/whatever, and in this case, the majority experiences the power and therefore, does not experience racism/sexism.
Remember that whether you call it racism or not, the power imbalance is still there, so the oppressed group's experiences of that prejudice is still vastly more aggressive than the prejudice they have against the oppressor.

I like to think of it as someone hitting you in the face every 20 minutes, but getting upset when you push them away in reaction.
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Last edited by Banjocal at Oct 6, 2014,
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Quote by zObiPhiOn

"Why is most jazz in F, Bb and other flat keys?
Because early jazz musicians didn't want to have anything to do with the white keys."

False.

It is because those keys are the most accommodating to horns.

"Why is most country in C major or A minor?
Because early country musicians didn't want to touch the black keys."

Incorrect again.

It is because those keys are best suited for the open tuning and jangling twang that is characteristic of country music.


Fuck your jokes, TS.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#22
I don't get it.
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#23
That person is just sensitive.

Then again I say a lot of racist shit. Jokes tho. Only jokes. >_>
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The answer to 'are you racist?', and 'are you white?', are the same
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If you ain't white you ain't right tbh.
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#27
This is a racist joke.

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#28
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Racist joke thread?

What's the difference between Batman and a black man?


Batman can go into a shop without robin.


Agreed, this one is way funnier than mine.


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So you tell a joke about avoiding white keys and the first key you mention uses all but one of the white keys? Nice, ts, nice...



Damn, didn't see that coming. But playing all the black keys on an F chord gives an F7b9#9/11/b13, don't tell me that it's not a jazzy chord.


Quote by Banjocal
That's not really racist, considering there's a reason black people often don't trust white people. If anything it's commenting on the social divide rather than mocking the black musicians. Early jazz was a predominantly black scene.

Remember that whether you call it racism or not, the power imbalance is still there, so the oppressed group's experiences of that prejudice is still vastly more aggressive than the prejudice they have against the oppressor.

I like to think of it as someone hitting you in the face every 20 minutes, but getting upset when you push them away in reaction.



Yeah, the joke implies that early jazz musicians didn't like white people. The generalisation might be offensive, but you'd have to be pretty thick not to get that it's only meant for the sake of the joke.
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False.

It is because those keys are the most accommodating to horns.


Incorrect again.

It is because those keys are best suited for the open tuning and jangling twang that is characteristic of country music.


Fuck your jokes, TS.



Oh really, it isn't because black musicians disliked whites or white musicians disliked blacks? Man my music degree hasn't taught me anything.

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Thanks for the intelligent/funny answers guys. Thanks for the useless ones too, they make me feel better about myself.
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Oh really, it isn't because black musicians disliked whites or white musicians disliked blacks? Man my music degree hasn't taught me anything.

Chyea. I showed you.

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#32
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Which is a shitty definition specially crafted to absolve any underprivileged groups from any responsibility, but that's an argument for another thread.

It's not really a shitty definition, it just boils down to pedantry of word use. Prejudice is still prejudice whether it's a white person being prejudiced against black people or vice versa. Racism is just the prejudice with the power of systematic oppression behind it.

It really just comes down to having two different words for two different things. I don't get why people get so worked up about it. It really isn't that hard to use the word prejudiced instead of racist.
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#33
Yeah, sure, it's racist, w/e.
Here's a not racist joke.

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#35
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Sociology argues that racism/sexism/anything that suggests the marginilisaton of any one group needs to be systematic and ingrained in society. The idea is that prejudice and power together constitute racism/sexism/whatever, and in this case, the majority experiences the power and therefore, does not experience racism/sexism.

Maybe I'm speaking in more general terms than you are. Regardless of how much sociology argues, racism can be experienced by or perpetrated by anyone.
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Maybe I'm speaking in more general terms than you are. Regardless of how much sociology argues, racism can be experienced by or perpetrated by anyone.

See here:
Explanation for your pedantry
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Which is a shitty definition specially crafted to absolve any underprivileged groups from any responsibility, but that's an argument for another thread.

It's not really saying that people of privilege can't be victims of racially motivated injustices. It defines racism as something more specific than that. It suggests that for it to be racism, there needs to be some kind of institutional power struggle experienced by the victim.

People like to argue "double standards" all off the time, but they forget that not every group has the same experiences, many of which are perpetuated by systematic oppression.
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Remember that whether you call it racism or not, the power imbalance is still there, so the oppressed group's experiences of that prejudice is still vastly more aggressive than the prejudice they have against the oppressor.

I like to think of it as someone hitting you in the face every 20 minutes, but getting upset when you push them away in reaction.

Word.

It seems like you're agreeing with the definition I presented. I'm like 95% sure. Right?

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Maybe I'm speaking in more general terms than you are. Regardless of how much sociology argues, racism can be experienced by or perpetrated by anyone.

See above.
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Sociology argues that racism/sexism/anything that suggests the marginilisaton of any one group needs to be systematic and ingrained in society. The idea is that prejudice and power together constitute racism/sexism/whatever, and in this case, the majority experiences the power and therefore, does not experience racism/sexism.

no, that's called institutional racism
#39
racism |ˈrāˌsizəm|
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
• prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief : a program to combat racism.
DERIVATIVES
racist noun & adjective
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