#1
I just don't get it. As an experiment, I took my C# standard SG, which has Exilir light-heavy hybrids on it (10-52) and threw a set of 10-46 on just to see what would happen.

Tone was excellent.

Bends and trills were crazy easy.

But even with a light touch on the picking hand, the guitar wouldn't stay in tune for more than 15 minutes, if that.

Who knows, maybe Iommi does have to get his tech to turn those pegs after a couple songs.

But is it possible he doesn't, and if so, what's the trick? Could locking tuners help? A hollowed out neck?
#2
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#3
I have 9's set up in Eb with a Floyd, Floyd locking nut and locking tuners...****er still goes out of tune after a few songs. Its not the guitar, its us heavy ass handed players. Iommi has light picking and light fretting because of his accident...not to mention he's old as shit now, but still...C# on 9's is a little ridiculous.
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#5
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Billy Gibbons uses .7's in E tuning


I heard he has his necks hollowed out to compensate for the lack of tension.
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Guitar stays in tune with 10-52s.
#7
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Its not the guitar, its us heavy ass handed players. Iommi has light picking and light fretting ....


Surely this is a huge part of the equation. But as you suggest, at some point physics intrudes and one would have to think there is some kind of modification to allow for such light strings.

And 9s for Iommi are of course not the standard 9, 11, 16, 24, 32, 42. On his C# guitar he uses:

.009p, .010p, .012p, .020w, .032w, .042w

For the D# guitar:

.008p, .008p, .011p, .018w, .024w, .032w

http://www.labella.com/artists/tony-iommi/
#8
Found this on Guitar World:

HETFIELD: Wow! So you tuned down to a C sharp or something?

IOMMI: We'd try anything to make our sound heavier.

HETFIELD: Wasn't it hard to stay in tune, especially since you use .008's?

IOMMI: It was. Particularly with my Gibson, because the neck would shift.

http://www.guitarworld.com/tony-iommi-and-james-hetfield-discuss-life-black-sabbath-and-metallica-1992-guitar-world-interview?page=0,2
#10
Dude's got a tech that retunes everything as needed. Though a well set up guitar will minimize the need to tune, you'll pretty much always have to at some point.
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I heard he has his necks hollowed out to compensate for the lack of tension.




i heard they painted the statue of liberty green to keep the pigeons from shitting on it.

still didn't make any sense whatsoever so i ignored it as the rantings of bullshit artist.
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#12
I use 9s on an LTD EXP 200 in Drop A 7 string tuning, and never had any problems with my tuning. And I'm a heavy picker.
#13
Yeah I don't get it. What's shifting and why?
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I use 9s on an LTD EXP 200 in Drop A 7 string tuning, and never had any problems with my tuning. And I'm a heavy picker.



Tune the guitar down to G# Standard, which would be 7 string equivalent to C# Standard on 6 string, and see what changes.


9's on C# and 24.75 scale guitar? Mother of god, even wet spaghetti is more tense! He must be ridiculously light picker.

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I'm comfused as to what, exactly would be the cause of detuning, assuming a proper setup and quality instrument?

It might be like playing a mop, but it should stay tuned...what mechanism would be at work that would cause strings with less tension to detune faster than those with more?
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#17
I've tuned my guitars with 9-42 to Drop C and it can work fine. But you really have to be aware of how you are hitting the strings. I really think that it helped me refine my pick attack.
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I'm comfused as to what, exactly would be the cause of detuning, assuming a proper setup and quality instrument?

It might be like playing a mop, but it should stay tuned...what mechanism would be at work that would cause strings with less tension to detune faster than those with more?



At least for me it is the sheer pressure of my pick attack, as others are saying. Even with a great setup, there is only so much you can do to prevent string slippage. I'm not going to pretend like I could tell where the failure is happening, but it is something I have noticed.
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Tune the guitar down to G# Standard, which would be 7 string equivalent to C# Standard on 6 string, and see what changes.

+1

Using a 70 for the G# on my 25.5. Might go 74.

****ing loose. But sounds real nice.
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#21
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At least for me it is the sheer pressure of my pick attack, as others are saying. Even with a great setup, there is only so much you can do to prevent string slippage. I'm not going to pretend like I could tell where the failure is happening, but it is something I have noticed.


If it's string slippage that's a hardware problem, no?

Locking tuners should solve that issue nicely.

My point isn't that it doesn't happen or that you haven't experienced it because no doubt you have, just that lighter strings shouldn't inherently go out of tune any easier than any other strings, given appropriate hardware.
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Quote by Arby911
If it's string slippage that's a hardware problem, no?

Locking tuners should solve that issue nicely.

My point isn't that it doesn't happen or that you haven't experienced it because no doubt you have, just that lighter strings shouldn't inherently go out of tune any easier than any other strings, given appropriate hardware.


Iommi uses Sperzel locking tuners. Could that be it?
#23
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Iommi uses Sperzel locking tuners. Could that be it?


Could be, it's certainly part of the equation.
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#24
Quote by Arby911
If it's string slippage that's a hardware problem, no?

Locking tuners should solve that issue nicely.

My point isn't that it doesn't happen or that you haven't experienced it because no doubt you have, just that lighter strings shouldn't inherently go out of tune any easier than any other strings, given appropriate hardware.



Perhaps it's as simple as that. I'd be interested to know why it happens with lighter gauge strings than with heavier though, I think an intensive (generally useless) government study is in order!
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Perhaps it's as simple as that. I'd be interested to know why it happens with lighter gauge strings than with heavier though, I think an intensive (generally useless) government study is in order!


I'm theorizing that there simply isn't enough tension around the tuning post to maintain a positive lock with conventional tuners, especially when you add vibration into the mix.

I'll be the first to note that I have exactly no data to support that theory...
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