Poll: Could you deal with being a juror on this case?
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I think so
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I don't think so
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#1
So I had a jury duty summons for today (my 2nd time already...) and I did the usual paperwork and waiting and all the bullshit that goes with it. Finally we're led into the courtroom and the prosecution lays out what they accuse the defendant of doing.


(This is all alleged)


The defendant (a young, black guy....this is for an interesting observation I will point out later) and his girlfriend got into a dispute with another girl. Later (didn't specifically say how long), the girlfriend kidnaps the other girl at gunpoint and takes her to a local motel where her boyfriend is waiting. He then rapes her and leaves with his girlfriend afterwards.


Now, I just got a new job and I have classes, so I'm doing anything I can to get out of this trial, but I did note some interesting things that happened while I was there. The judge and the courtroom staff kept calling the case "interesting" and "exciting" and also made jokes to put the jurors at ease and feel more comfortable in the courtroom. This really bothered me, because the defendant was in there with us the entire time. Whether he is guilty or not doesn't matter at this point, because there is a presumption of innocence. People are laughing and being very unsympathetic to him when he's sitting there wondering if his life is going to be destroyed or not. It just felt really uncomfortable and heartless to me.

Then after that, the questioning started, and it reaffirmed my belief that a jury of peers trial isn't fair. People are idiots. They asked the dumbest questions, gave the dumbest answers, and had the most disgusting, dumb opinions of law (one guy thought that if you left your garage open then you share legal responsibility if somebody robs you). A lot of times, they'd just ramble on and not even understand/answer the question they were asked. Many of them also had no awareness of their own biases. They'd claim that they always look at both sides, examine evidence, and come to rational conclusions. This is way scarier than someone just admitting a bias, because at least that person can consciously challenge their own biases, unlike those who profess to have none, which is a load of garbage.

Finally, there was something that happened during dismissals that struck me as odd. The first four jurors who were dismissed were all black males, just like the defendant. I don't know what individual questions they were asked, or how they responded to their written questionnaires, but it certainly didn't look real good to dismiss four black men from a case where the defendant is a black male.


Anyways, I'm glad I didn't have to serve on the actual jury. It would take like a week, I'd lose a lot of money, and it would be very hard to see the victim face her alleged rapist and deal with either not giving her the justice she wants, or sending a man to prison for years and adding another name to the sex offender registry (which I also disagree with).


Idk if there's much to be discussed here, but I just felt like sharing my experience with you guys.
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#2
Quote by StewieSwan

The defendant (a young, black guy....this is for an interesting observation I will point out later) and his girlfriend got into a dispute with another girl. Later (didn't specifically say how long), the girlfriend kidnaps the other girl at gunpoint and takes her to a local motel where her boyfriend is waiting. He then rapes her and leaves with his girlfriend afterwards.

holy crap
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it's all coming back

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#3
i'd probably flip out at the judge and staff for making light of this and get dismissed/escorted out. that's ****ing disgusting that they can't even act professionally. no wonder the justice system's in the shitter.

and isn't there some kind of phrase about how only stupid people get stuck actually going to jury duty because all the smart people can figure a way out of it?
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#4
I've only been called for jury duty once so far and they didn't use me. I'll read the rest later.
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#5
I got called for jury duty once and forgot to go, but they didn't need me anyways. I'm glad I got out of it, the case was over someone selling someone a moldy camper or something like that. Defiantly not the most interesting trial.
#6
Why do you disagree with the sex offender registry?
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Why do you disagree with the sex offender registry?



I don't really want this thread to go in that direction.
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I don't really want this thread to go in that direction.


Don't take away the, like, one debatable aspect of your post
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Now, I just got a new job and I have classes, so I'm doing anything I can to get out of this trial

can't you defer jury duty if you're a student?
anyway, i got summoned twice (both during fall semesters while i was in college, & i deferred 'til next summer), but then both times they told me not to report anyway. kinda wanted to this past summer, since i was not working at the time anyway.
#14
i recently assigned parts of a group presentation to my partners because no one would do jack shit until i forced them to. i guess thats sorta like deciding someones fate, in a much smaller scale.
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#15
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he isn't a juror though

oh okay

thought i was gonna have to call the internet police!
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#17
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Don't take away the, like, one debatable aspect of your post



Well, I've had a long day and I don't want a debate that lasts for 10 pages before horsedick or jimmybanks pop in to call everyone stupid and offer nothing of substance, then it derails into rape culture arguments, and is then closed by daytripper or lolmnt after some guy that nobody knows pops in and calls the girl a slut. Let's just skip all that this time.

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I wasn't allowed for most of the day, but once you're dismissed you can.

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can't you defer jury duty if you're a student?
anyway, i got summoned twice (both during fall semesters while i was in college, & i deferred 'til next summer), but then both times they told me not to report anyway. kinda wanted to this past summer, since i was not working at the time anyway.



I just wanted to get it out of the way.
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#18
People in those legal professions are really jaded and piece of shit-ish sometimes.
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People in those legal professions are really jaded and piece of shit-ish sometimes.

no one becomes a cop to ensure that people are innocent until proven guilty, they become cops because they hate humanity "criminals"
#20
Quote by captaincrunk
no one becomes a cop to ensure that people are innocent until proven guilty, they become cops because they hate humanity "criminals"


Don't like cops, eh
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#22
i really don't want to get called for jury duty

it'll be just my luck that i'll end up on a trial like this and you know i'll get so caught up in it.
i don't know why i feel so dry
#24
I just usually have faith in the good in people rather than be bitter about it. There are definitely cops out there who truly believe in the justice of law. I have plenty of reason to be jaded about cops or whatever, but the truth of it is that I would want to be one to help people who really need it, and I assume others think the same way
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#25
Quote by Dreadnought
I just usually have faith in the good in people rather than be bitter about it. There are definitely cops out there who truly believe in the justice of law. I have plenty of reason to be jaded about cops or whatever, but the truth of it is that I would want to be one to help people who really need it, and I assume others think the same way

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#26
Quote by StewieSwan

Then after that, the questioning started, and it reaffirmed my belief that a jury of peers trial isn't fair. People are idiots. They asked the dumbest questions, gave the dumbest answers, and had the most disgusting, dumb opinions of law (one guy thought that if you left your garage open then you share legal responsibility if somebody robs you). A lot of times, they'd just ramble on and not even understand/answer the question they were asked. Many of them also had no awareness of their own biases. They'd claim that they always look at both sides, examine evidence, and come to rational conclusions. This is way scarier than someone just admitting a bias, because at least that person can consciously challenge their own biases, unlike those who profess to have none, which is a load of garbage.


It must suck to so absolutely lose faith in the system like that lol
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#27
Quote by StewieSwan
Then after that, the questioning started, and it reaffirmed my belief that a jury of peers trial isn't fair. People are idiots.

Yep.

I'm glad that the portuguese legal system doesn't have the "jury of peers" figure.
There's just one judge (or a collective of judges on certain specific cases), and he's extremely bound by the portuguese law, so he can't deviate much from it and decide the way he wants it "just because".

Plus, as a lawyer I don't have to rely on theatrics and other courtroom antics -- I just have to argue that a certain law applies to my clients' cases, explaining why with a well-grounded reasoning.


Everyday I see lots and lots of people proving their absolute stupidity and ignorance on a myriad of ways.
It'd be awful to work in a legal system where peoples' lives were being decided by random people chosen among a herd of morons.

I'd rather argue my cases in front of a person who studied long and hard to be a judge, who is knowledgeable in the meanders of law and who is bound by it.
If I consider a certain decision by a judge is wrong and I feel I have a strong basis to argue it, that's what the appeals are for.
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#28
I'm not sure if I would be happy or relieved to be passed over for jury duty and leaving it in the hands of a bunch of idiots. It seems like something an asshole would feel. "I had an opportunity to effect a positive change in the world, thank god that didn't happen!"
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#29
I'm a Court Clerk, what you've experienced isn't all that unique to be honest....although we don't tend to make jokes about the defendant etc, because that can actually lead to a jury being discharged.

A lot of my time at work is fielding questions from jurors who can't even understand a basic concept such as "Read a form and fill it out and return it in the reply-paid envelope provided"....the forms aren't that complex, basically just asking you to confirm your contact details and to check any boxes that may disqualify you from jury duty (criminal history, bankrupt etc)

Basically what Linkerman said is what I agree with......
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#30
I got a thing about jury duty.

Sometimes, being seriously ill is great, because I just got a letter from my GP saying 'nope', and didn't have to do anything.
#31
Well the law itself is subjective to it's citizens who chose it. Don't blame one another.

You can do the same crime in 2 countries, and you get death penalty in one, and nothing in the other. It's still the same planet, and it's still about the same species (humans).

That fact alone should be enough that law can't be objectively fair.

The only thing that I see as objective (edit or can strife to objectivity) is the reasoning to who is in the wrong. Punishments are still very much subjective/emotionally based.

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#32
Quote by captaincrunk
no one becomes a cop to ensure that people are innocent until proven guilty, they become cops because they hate humanity "criminals"



I worked in a prison because it was a paycheck.
I didn't give a shit if they were guilty or not.
And most people suck anyways.
So did that job.
There were some inmates I would have rather had as neighbors than the neighbors I actually had.
#33
Quote by StewieSwan

Then after that, the questioning started, and it reaffirmed my belief that a jury of peers trial isn't fair. People are idiots. They asked the dumbest questions, gave the dumbest answers, and had the most disgusting, dumb opinions of law


Yes, people are idiots. However, Some people say outrageous crap hoping to get struck from the pool..

Finally, there was something that happened during dismissals that struck me as odd. The first four jurors who were dismissed were all black males,


Both sides have a a number (I'm not sure how many) that they can strike for any reason. You obviously want jurors who you think will be sympathetic to your side (prosecution or defense).

For example, one of the first I was called to serve on was a property tax assessment case (3 days of horrible boredom..)

About half of the jury were adults who owned property. A couple of them had tax assessment disputes themselves. The other half were young people 18 - 23 who rented or still lived at home.

It's fairly easy to guess which side picked which jurors.


Being a bit older than the average user here, I've been called many time and served several, on both criminal and civil cases. I don't have a problem because I generally hate people and don't care about the outcome.

I listen to arguments provided and make my decision accordingly. Makes no difference to me if it's a property dispute or death penalty.
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#34
I've held the fate of people in my hands many times.

The most difficult time was while I was on a mission on Virmire with my team. I had sent one of my team members, her name was Ashley, to go with a squad of Salarians. She had gotten under fire, but while infiltrating a research facility I had to send another member, Kaidan, on a different mission. When I went to get Ashley, Kaidan had also gotten under fire, and I had to choose who to save.

I chose to save Kaidan, but that was a stupid decision, as I never really took Kaidan on any missions anyway.

So yeah, I know exactly what you're feeling, TS.
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I worked in a prison because it was a paycheck.
I didn't give a shit if they were guilty or not.
And most people suck anyways.
So did that job.
There were some inmates I would have rather had as neighbors than the neighbors I actually had.

that doesn't make you a cop
#36
Im a judge. I send everyone to prision no matter what


its fun


at least in my mind
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I just usually have faith in the good in people rather than be bitter about it. There are definitely cops out there who truly believe in the justice of law. I have plenty of reason to be jaded about cops or whatever, but the truth of it is that I would want to be one to help people who really need it, and I assume others think the same way


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