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I am looking for some advice on upgrading my set up. I have been playing on a line 6 spider IV 75 watt combo for the last few years. While that was a solid practice amp, I just can’t use it to record. This led me on a journey to find a new combo amp that is tube driven. I really want something that is versatile because my playing style and natural sound is, well different I guess you would say. I love rich; effects pedal driven cleans, but also need a slightly abrasive, but tight rhythm tone. People tell me my style is akin to Coheed and Cambria meets 90’s Smashing Pumpkins with some harder aspects. I really want to preserve that style and expand upon its sound but have had a rough go of finding the right amp. I demoed a few of the Blackstar combo amps, both the Venue HT series and the Metal line. I found them to be very disappointing for as much as they cost. The sound was too bass heavy and over all muddy, absolutely no definition. I eventually bought the HT Metal 5H “mini” half stack from guitar center based on watching a ton of YouTube videos. It all had them dialing in some good hard rock tones and some dark sounding cleans. I figured I could work with that, but I was wrong. It suffered from the same muddy tones as the combo’s. I returned it and moved on to the Marshall DSL40C, the Vox Valvetronix VT120+, Peavey ValveKing II and lastly the Peavey 6505+ 112. They were either too metal, no cleans or had a thin hollow sound. At this stage I am left scratching my head. The Line6 sounded bad but it was less than $300 bucks and still is. Most of these range in the upper $6-800 bucks. My budget is anywhere from $500-1300. I don’t play with a full band, just home recording. I think I am going to have to buy two amps, one for cleans and the other for distorted rhythms.

Tl;dr – Which tube combo is good at achieving alternative, yet hard rock tones while still having solid cleans.
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#4
I tried an Orange head and cab at Guitar Center. No idea which one, but it sounded super fuzzy. I was surprised to find out that Orange amp brand was behind Jim Root's and Jimmy Page's tone. Are they all fuzzy like that?

I do not gig and I am located in Oklahoma.
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Have you looked into the Egnater Tweaker? I play the 40 watt head through the single cab with a V30, and that's for everything ranging from crystal clear cleans to hardcore and a bit of metal. There is a 112 combo version for the 40 watt.
#6
Don't know which orange you tried, but I have tried their solid state amps and i did not care for them.
#7
Egnater rebel or renegade may be up your alley. i owned both for a little while.
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What about an Older DSL? Really loved my head, never played a combo.

I very surprised with the tiny terror combos from Orange, but I'm not sure if they make a 2 channel one or something similar in your price range. I'd look at a used JCM 2000 DSL
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What about an Older DSL? Really loved my head, never played a combo.

I very surprised with the tiny terror combos from Orange, but I'm not sure if they make a 2 channel one or something similar in your price range. I'd look at a used JCM 2000 DSL


dual terror. two channels 30 watts can run on 15 and 7. (doesn't change a whole lot other that a bit of headroom at high volume). the first channel is identical. the second channel is that fat channel, and it actually rips pretty good, throw a boost in front and you are able hit metal.

i think mine is around three years old. never had a problem.
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Quote by Sepuloren
I am looking for some advice on upgrading my set up. I have been playing on a line 6 spider IV 75 watt combo for the last few years. While that was a solid practice amp, I just can’t use it to record.


Have you tried recording using the direct out into your computer? And have you tried using the Line 6 editor to modify sounds, or are you simply using the presets? I've found that amp can sound a whole lot different through a good set of recording monitors and/or through a studio-level set of headphones. Might be worth trying that before you spend money on another amp for recording.

And if recording is your goal, you might consider getting JUST a preamp-type setup (do you really need power amp/speakers for recording), such as a Pod HD (the "bean" desktop model can be found down to around $150 used these days). I've been using one of these coupled with a Torpedo C.A.B. (provides awesome IRs of both cabinets AND tube power amps), and the combination ranks up there with my Axe-FX Ultra.

There's also the possibility of recording clean guitar into your DAW and then "reamping" that track through almost anything (including software sims) from there.

Never assume you need a tube amp for recording these days...
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@Jilson324 I am not familiar with the Egnater Tweaker brand. I will look around for them and give them a try.

@paul.housley.7 I agree and really, I didn’t like their boutique amps either despite many of my favorite guitar players having used them on a lot of classic cuts.

@trashedlostfdup second Egnater recommendation, I will definitely be checking them out.

@Katsock I am hunting pawn shops at this point. I hope I find am able to find something along those lines. Some of my favorite players have the JCM 2000 in their arsenal.

@dspellman I tried using the direct out with a fairly good interface and some great speakers. I also used the tone maker app; I think it was called Line 6 Monkey. It all sounded like terrible digital garbage. I see and hear people using the pods for their tone on YouTube, but I am a little leery going the digital route again. I have tried every mass market software based amp simulator out there using a relatively expensive interface and guitar. It all just sounds like a weak digital mess. That’s what leads me to wanting a tube amp.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond. I have some more ideas and amps to try. Have any of you tried a Vox AC30 or a Fender Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III? Would they be good for the style of sound I’m after?
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Have any of you tried a Vox AC30 or a Fender Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III? Would they be good for the style of sound I’m after?


Hi Sepuloren. Oh how I feel your dilema! Choosing amps is so time consuming and can cost you along the way. Anyway, I've tried a friend's Vox AC30 and I had an earlier Fender Hot Rod Deluxe but found the Vox a bit thin in comparison. You can push the drive well but the Fender had more under the hood and needed less encouragement I guess.

Oh, and definitely check out Egnater. I think you're in good ol' US so you should be ok. Only say that because I've seen people from UK after them and I think they're harder to get in UK.
#13
Engl Thunder or Screamer should be in your budget and would fit the bill.
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