#1
I'm purchasing the B-52 AT-100 head soon and want to get two Marshall MG412CF's to go with it and make it a full stack. Will the head work well with these cabinets or should I throw away this idea entirely? I'm on a very low budget and would purchase the cabinets used.

P.S. I play anything from worship music (only when I play at my church) to the stuff i play at home i.e. 80's metal, metalcore, death metal, and deathcore.
#2
Cabinets affect the tone a lot more than most people think. Bad cabs with bad speakers usually result in a bad tone. You'd be far better off with a good 212 cab than two bad 412 cabs. I'm not 100% sure about the Marshall MG cabs, but I recall that they aren't that good.
#3
Those cabs are horrible sounding. I would get a used Marshall 1960 cab instead, because it will sound worlds better. Used they go for $250-$300 all the time
Here is one for $279 www.guitarcenter.com/Marshall-Used-Marshall-1960B-4X12-300W-Stereo-Straight-Guitar-Cabinet-110548692-i4001923.gc

Also be careful about the B52 amps, they have quite a reliability problem
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#4
Robbgnarly, I am fully aware about the reliability problems with them which is why I keep going back and forth between the AT-100 and a Peavey VK100. In your opinion, which of those would better suit my needs?
#5
I'd go with the VK because of reliability.

Give us budget and location and we can probably find you something better.
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#6
You are in no way limited to those to amps. The Valveking isn't going to blow up, but it probably doesn't sound as good as the B-52. At least if the B-52 stuff sounds a good as I've heard.

But as Robb said, you could probably find something better than either of those.
#8
Quote by ltmcgrew1
My budget is $500 total, for the head and cab. Chicago area.


Are you sure that you want a head+cab? If you play metal, you could easily get a 6505+ combo for that price.
#9
TK, I've heard from many people that the VK sounds like it's under a blanket which is why I'm hesitant to get it.
#10
yes, I'm sure about a stack because eventually I would like to get a Randall RD100H and then I would already have a cab for it and wouldn't be spending $1,000+ at the same time.
#11
Quote by ltmcgrew1
My budget is $500 total, for the head and cab. Chicago area.

Get a 6506+ 1x12 combo or the 2x12 5150/6505 combo. The 5150/6505 2x12 combo is a beast and is $500ish used. It is better than the 1x12 but it is heavier
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#12
Quote by ltmcgrew1
yes, I'm sure about a stack because eventually I would like to get a Randall RD100H and then I would already have a cab for it and wouldn't be spending $1,000+ at the same time.

It's going to be difficult to get a good cab if your budget is $500 for both a head and cab. You're not really saving money in the long run because you're going to want a better cab when you get a better amp anyway. You'll always have a use for a more compact rig. A 6505 combo (while massively heavy) is a great thing to have when a half-stack isn't really doable.

And I'm not trying to be condescending but it seems like you just want a big amp for aesthetics since you asked about 2 of the cheapest 4x12 cabs you can find along with the cheapest high-gain tube amp. Even the RD100H is an amp for the price. You're much better off just waiting instead of getting $500 worth of cheap stuff than getting a $700 amp. $1200 should be enough to get a really good amp with a good 2x12 if you buy used. You can get better sounding gear if you forget about size. A JSX combo would be a better buy than what you were planning and it's a lot cheaper.
#13
Okay so I totally forgot those amps/cabs and found a Bugera 333XL Infinium Head and a Crate 4x12 with celestions for $500. Thoughts on this?? BTW I appreciate all the helpful responces I'm getting (:
#14
The Bugera isn't reliable either. A buddy of mine had the 333Xl and it blew up on him in the first month. However some run forever. Crate cab won't sound terribly great either, can't imagine it having outstanding construction.

I'd go for what the others are suggesting and get a 6505 Combo. Or if one can be found near you used the Laney IRT30112 combo is an option too.
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#15
Bugera's sound good, but tend to be less reliable than the B52's. I had a 333 for a few years and it did sound really good, but it also had some problems that would have cost me a lot if my brother was not an EE and fixes all my gear for super cheap.

What Celestions? Not all Celestions are good, some are really shitty.
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#16
A friend of mine had that 333XL. It did sound really good, but he had to send it back to get repaired under warranty. I can't remember exactly what went wrong. For similar money, I would look at Jet City amps. I have a JCA22H and my friend who had the Bugera now has a JCA100H. Both of them have had zero issues and sound awesome. Now that's only a couple of examples but you'll find in general there are a lot more complaints about Bugera reliability than Jet City.

Also for what it's worth, I used to run a B-52 AT-412A cab. I really liked the sound, very thick with lots of low end.
#17
Here is a 5150 2x12 combo for $499
www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used-Peavey-5150-2x12-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-110418672-i3950653.gc

Here if you really want a 1/2 stack you can't beat this for the price. This is the precursor to the JSX which the 333xl is a clone of. It will have a good clean and some very nice dirty tones. And it is $499
www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used-Peavey-Ultra-Plus-Stack-110401619-i3923919.gc
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2009 Epiphone G-400 (SH-4)
Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
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GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#19
That cab sucks check out the two links above either of those should hook you up just fine and be reliable
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Marshall JCM2000 DSL100
Krank 1980 Jr 20watt
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GFS Greenie/Digitech Bad Monkey
Morley Bad Horsie 2
MXR Smart Gate
#20
Quote by ltmcgrew1
Robbgnarly, I can't imagine they are anything super high quality because of the price with condition it is in, but the website doesn't say what model they are. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Crate-Used-Crate-CELESTION-EQUIPPED-4X12-Guitar-Cabinet-110402073-i3925452.gc


i'm betting it's 70/80's or g12s-50's....get ya a good combo as recommended and put a good cab next on your list
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#22
Quote by TheStig1214
Crate cab won't sound terribly great either, can't imagine it having outstanding construction.


Like Marshall, Crate has made some excellent plywood cabinets with high-end Celestions. Like Marshall, they also make a lot of fiberboard crap with garbage OEM Celestions. You have to do your homework, but with patience it’s easy to score great deals on used Crate amps.
#24
The Ultra+ does sound good. Do you know if he's using any effects to get it to sound like that though?
#25
No FX it says it is raw guitar and the guy is on the up and up, so I believe him.

And it isn't an amp you will need to or want to change anytime soon. They are very nice pro quality amps and they are 3 channel amps which is a nice touch for versatility.
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Last edited by Robbgnarly at Oct 27, 2014,
#26
Oh lol my mind drew a blank with that and I didn't put the 2 together. Yeah he seems to know what he's doing.