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It's funny. However, when I first saw this video, I thought it would serve as a control for the other experiment, which would have been great for the people who were apprehensive to consider the original experiment valid.

Have an attractive man walk through the same parts of NYC (all possible confounds removed, of course) and count how many times he was catcalled.
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Quote by chrismendiola
It's funny. However, when I first saw this video, I thought it would serve as a control for the other experiment, which would have been great for the people who were apprehensive to consider the original experiment valid.

Have an attractive man walk through the same parts of NYC (all possible confounds removed, of course) and count how many times he was catcalled.

It would be a good experiment. I wouldn't say catcalling for the man though because that's super rare. It's supposed to illustrate a society where men are allowed to do things that we usually find unusual, like catcall strangers. For the men, I would say how many comments they get in general. It would show that men are the default and go unnoticed if no one said anything to them.

Last edited by BladeSlinger at Oct 30, 2014,
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Quote by BladeSlinger
It would be a good experiment. I wouldn't say catcalling for the man though because that's super rare. It's supposed to illustrate a society where men are allowed to do things that we usually find unusual, like catcall strangers. For the men, I would say how many comments they get in general. It would show that men are the default and go unnoticed if no one said anything to them.

One common defence for the opposition I noticed was that some of the men were just greeting the woman and it had nothing to do with her sex/looks, that they were just being friendly. Had it been a man, it would be apparent that people in NYC aren't really overtly friendly, something about her sex/looks encouraged men to catcall her. I think showing that would remove that argument, which is the point I was trying to make but failed to specify.
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Quote by chrismendiola
One common defence for the opposition I noticed was that some of the men were just greeting the woman and it had nothing to do with her sex/looks, that they were just being friendly. Had it been a man, it would be apparent that people in NYC aren't really overtly friendly, something about her sex/looks encouraged men to catcall her. I think showing that would remove that argument, which is the point I was trying to make but failed to specify.

Around here, it really isn't unusual to get random greetings from people sometimes. But it's not like "hey, I said hi now you answer me back". People just say hey as they're walking by and don't stop. Or give a small nod or wave.

Catcalling happens here too and that's when they don't give up after the greeting. Or keeping shouting whatever at them.
#7
Quote by chrismendiola
One common defence for the opposition I noticed was that some of the men were just greeting the woman and it had nothing to do with her sex/looks, that they were just being friendly. Had it been a man, it would be apparent that people in NYC aren't really overtly friendly, something about her sex/looks encouraged men to catcall her. I think showing that would remove that argument, which is the point I was trying to make but failed to specify.

Yeah I think the location is an important distinction. For example, where I'm from, it's really not that weird to greet strangers.

EDIT: damn ninja
#9
Quote by steve_muse
I laughed

I thought the king part was a little much but it was pretty funny. Especially "You want a job?"
#11
Quote by BladeSlinger
I thought the king part was a little much but it was pretty funny. Especially "You want a job?"


yea, that was overkill but the highfive bit and the football was funny
#13
I liked the sunscreen thing much.
"keep that skin nice and white!"

Though the first vid really was exaggerated even though it had a point.
Problem is, most of the people trying to prove that point exaggerate while trying to prove it and they end up being labeled as man hating bitches and stuff.

Not cool.
Mostly from the part of the ones calling others man hating bitches, but really not that much cooler from the people trying to raise awareness.
#14
Quote by BladeSlinger
It would be a good experiment. I wouldn't say catcalling for the man though because that's super rare. It's supposed to illustrate a society where men are allowed to do things that we usually find unusual, like catcall strangers. For the men, I would say how many comments they get in general. It would show that men are the default and go unnoticed if no one said anything to them.



Things happen both ways. We just live in a very sexualised western society. Is that a good or a bad thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuHV4gwSXn4
#17
Quote by Eastwinn
uh, it might go both ways, but it goes predominately one way.


Doesn't mean that's not a problem.
#20
i'm sure your objection to the sexualization of men in advertisements means more to you than just a counterpoint to the sexualization of women in everything basically.
#21
Everyone is sexualised some people even sexualise themselves I don't see what the big deal is I mean we don't like in Iran as long as children aren't getting sexualised it's all good
#27
Quote by EndTheRapture51
Everyone is sexualised some people even sexualise themselves I don't see what the big deal is I mean we don't like in Iran as long as children aren't getting sexualised it's all good

****s sake
#28
ITT: people don't understand power dynamics, or differentiate between sexualisation and objectifying sexualisation
#31
Quote by Banjocal
ITT: people don't understand power dynamics, or differentiate between sexualisation and objectifying sexualisation

true nuff

or the difference between a woman as a sexual object and a man as a masculine image. very different things that contribute to the same problem

^aren't you like 17? cus you sure sound it
#35
As long as the rich support those less well off with generous tax contributions then that's good. But right now resources and energy costs stuff so I can't see a system other than capitalism working.
#36
Quote by EndTheRapture51
I think I have come to peace with capitalism for the time being.

you should write an essay on what I'm sure was a drawn out and philosophical process. The musings of EndTheRapture51 as he grappled with capitalism
#39
Quote by EndTheRapture51
As long as the rich support those less well off with generous tax contributions then that's good. But right now resources and energy costs stuff so I can't see a system other than capitalism working.
that will never happen considering capitalism is fundamentally rooted in exploitation

and democratic socialism would work just fine. Unfortunately any countries which have democratically voted for it have been toppled by or assisted in being toppled by America. Canada has been employing more socialist policies recently and they've been hugely effective. Cuba is also almost fully communist.

Unfortunately people think communism is inherently authoritarian due to the propaganda and autocracy involved in countries where it was enabled. Those countries where an autocrat enabled it also happened to have a huge financial resource to make it happen in the ways it has.
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Quote by Banjocal
that will never happen considering capitalism is fundamentally rooted in exploitation

and democratic socialism would work just fine. Unfortunately any countries which have democratically voted for it have been toppled by or assisted in being toppled by America. Canada has been employing more socialist policies recently and they've been hugely effective. Cuba is also almost fully communist.

Unfortunately people think communism is inherently authoritarian due to the propaganda and autocracy involved in countries where it was enabled. Those countries where an autocrat enabled it also happened to have a huge financial resource to make it happen in the ways it has.


Yeah I think we should have a generally capitalist society with large elements of socialism paying for things like state welfare, public transport, health systems etc.

However whilst we have finite resources, stuff is going to cost stuff. Everything has it's price right now in oil, as our primary energy carrier, because it is a finite resource. That's everything from food to gold bullion. When we make the move to electric powered vehicles generated from clean energy sources everything should be cheaper however.

There will always be luxury items though due to limited availability of commodities like the expensive metal body of a new smartphone or top of the range laptop. People need to be motivated to go into tougher fields and work harder hence why tougher professions such as being a Doctor hold a higher salary, because people need that motivation to better themselves.

But I think taxing the people better off to help to the less fortunate is a good idea. I love the NHS.
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