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#1
This came to my mind while reading the 'what's wrong with you all' thread or whatever but I didn't want to ruin that thread's feel good vibes.

Anyway, I'm playing the first Bioshock Infinite Burial at Sea DLC, and Sander Cohen's character (which was also in the first Bioshock) kinda reminded me how much of a joke art (especially high-brow art) is to society. Everyone appreciates music, everyone has a song or fifty that really nails them in the feels, but for the most part, it seems to me that everyone kinda agrees that most art of any kind is just pretentious melodramatic bullshit that panders to people's emotions just so people can get through the monotonous emotionless humdrum of everyday life.

I'm genuinely not sure how much of that above paragraph is just me, and I've really been trying to cut down on cynicism lately, so what do you think: do day-to-day emotions matter, and how important is art in today's world? Does it do anything more than just keep people's emotions somewhat stable throughout the roller coaster of life? Is there any sort of discussion that can be made of this, or is it just me trying to ascertain meaning where there is none?

If you have nothing to add, just post songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFwIHnbOyrg

edit: I guess I wouldn't call the other thread feel-good, but I can tell it's convalescent, cathartic. This thread probably won't be tbh
Last edited by whywefight at Nov 4, 2014,
#3
I don't think anything really matters, and I don't mean that in a depressed we-might-as-well-be-dead kinda way. I don't think the world would be a better or worse place if there were no emotions. It would just be different. Emotions are just something we got as living beings somewhere down the line, probably because it was helpful in some way, or perhaps we only have them because they haven't killed us yet.

In short, emotions don't matter, but we have them, so what can you do about it?

As far as art goes, it's just something you can devote yourself to. Nothing has meaning unless you give it meaning, and with art you can go 'an apple appeals to me for whatever reason, I want to take what I feel when I look at an apple, and then convert that feeling into something else'.
Some people devote themselves to a god so that their life can mean something, some to science, some to a leader, some to their loved ones, some to art, some to a specific cause or ideal. And you can pretty much combine those the way you want.
Honing your craft is just a way of having something to devote yourself to.
#4
I haven't consumed or created much art over the past few months and I can tell you straightaway that this has not diminished my capacity for emotion a single bit. I don't think life is humdrum and monotonous at all even when running errands or commuting or whatever. I think knowing how to express your emotions is important and art can be a useful tool for this, though it doesn't necessarily have to include or elicit emotion to be considered art.

I think that entire second paragraph is just you because i'd like to think more people feel the same way as me about this, but of course I might be entirely wrong in which case I will cling to my emotions. I think life is inherently meaningful.
#8
If you reduce art to emotional manipulation then of course it will serve no other purpose than that. From a reductionist standpoint stuff like ethics and morality are just useless feely thingys as well.
Last edited by Cianyx at Nov 4, 2014,
#9
Quote by Jackintehbox
Emotions are all that matter.


that

also, people are Idiots TS. accusations like "melodramatic" or "pretentious" have almost become meaningless.. hell, 90% of pop acts still write their own stuff and most of that stuff is actually pretty damned good (made up percentage, but you get my point)
#10
It's impossible to know for sure if emotions are worth having. Nobody knows what it's like not to have emotions (or at least I don't), so what do you have to compare it against? I honestly think emotions are the most beautiful things in the world. They make life an adventure.

I think it's just different stokes for different folks regarding art though. There is definitely a certain catharsis to being caught up in a piece of art that moves you. Appreciating art gives them a place for those emotions to go after they have tortured you throughout the day, week, or month. People who don't get that feeling with certain pieces of art and try to validate their lack of response by calling art, 'pretentious' can go take their business elsewhere. I don't see what harm can be done by giving meaning to art.
Last edited by T00DEEPBLUE at Nov 4, 2014,
#11
If you approach relationships and friendships without emotions and instead take a cause/effect analytical approach, I think that's what they call a sociopath.

Yeah emotions are important. Love is the best feeling I have ever experienced, but loss and sadness are also extremely important so that you have something to contrast a good feeling with a bad feeling.

I don't love music, games, art, sport etc. I love the emotions those things make me experience.
#14
Quote by slapsymcdougal
All that matters is you can't spell 'fart' without 'art'.

You also can't spell 'Art Garfunkel' without 'art'.
So yeah, that's basically what you said.
#15
Quote by ultimate-slash
You also can't spell 'Art Garfunkel' without 'art'.
So yeah, that's basically what you said.

Your point, caller?
#18
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
It's impossible to know for sure if emotions are worth having. Nobody knows what it's like not to have emotions (or at least I don't)


I know. it's horrible!!
#24
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
It's impossible to know for sure if emotions are worth having. Nobody knows what it's like not to have emotions (or at least I don't), so what do you have to compare it against? I honestly think emotions are the most beautiful things in the world. They make life an adventure.

I think it's just different stokes for different folks regarding art though. There is definitely a certain catharsis to being caught up in a piece of art that moves you. Appreciating art gives them a place for those emotions to go after they have tortured you throughout the day, week, or month. People who don't get that feeling with certain pieces of art and try to validate their lack of response by calling art, 'pretentious' can go take their business elsewhere. I don't see what harm can be done by giving meaning to art.
Yeah, all this except I don't even pay attention to art or whatever.

Also, I guess you could sort of compare it to a jellyfish, considering they have no brains or nervous system.
Last edited by Joshua Garcia at Nov 4, 2014,
#26
i feel like you would get ripped apart for this post if you were some new guy here. what matters if this stuff doesn't?
#28
I think people like drama in their life by making up feelings like with music. Maybe you feel great but when listening to a sad song you feel sad. Also watching the news knowing that a lot is happening around you but your actual life is without any action. So in short: I think people create artificial feelings, like with music and video games (like the adrealine you get in a shooter) and do this too much so that what happens in real life feels boring. What you could do if you feel that way is to just go out. Go snowboarding or whatever. Anyone agrees?
#29
Quote by Jackintehbox
Emotions are all that matter.

agre, and I would like to feel the good ones more often than I do now

but yeah I mean without emotions we're just psychopathic people. So many of the things that has made humanity great wouldn't exist. Our sense of family, our sense of community, so much of the charity work that we do, etc. We'd become cold and unfeeling and even more miserable.

If you can't experience happy, how can you experience sad? I know that I'm 'sad' now because I haven't felt 'happy' in a long time. I have the scale of reference. I know when I'm angry because it's the opposite of when I'm pleased. Without emotions we can't feel anything. There couldn't be excitement. There couldn't be boredom. There'd just be empty existence.

emotions are important yall/
#30
Quote by Baby Joel
If you can't experience happy, how can you experience sad? I know that I'm 'sad' now because I haven't felt 'happy' in a long time. I have the scale of reference. I know when I'm angry because it's the opposite of when I'm pleased. Without emotions we can't feel anything. There couldn't be excitement. There couldn't be boredom. There'd just be empty existence.

emotions are important yall/


Sunny days wouldn't be special
If it wasn't for rain
Joy wouldn't feel good
If it wasn't for pain
Death gotta be easy
'cause life is hard
It'll leave you physically, mentally,
And emotionally scarred


- Curtis Jackson, 2003
#32
I believe we're moved by emotions, but people live in a so covertly way that we end up lying to ourselves and thinking our emotions don't really matter.
#34
nah emotions arent worth having and art is more tiring than anything, I don't get much out of either and feeling nothing at all would be preferable
#35
Feel like I may have had a part in inspiring this lol. Yeah I was coming into say day-to-day emotions I think are all that matter. I mean everything we do - some sort of emotion (unless sex or the associated feelings aren't emotions, but they are feelings which are the same as emotions to me I dunno) is going to be the end being sought. Things we do are either logical or illogical because they either lead to a good emotion or a bad one or somewhere in between

As for art, I think it's really important and many of us would rather feel nothing than have nothing to help us feel. I don't think it does a whole lot more than "just keep people's emotions somewhat stable throughout the roller coaster of life" but I think that's the main goal for most people really
#36
Emotions are the difference between a lackadaisical enigmatic russian and a good hardworking canadian boy putting his nose to the grindstone and digging pucks out of the corners
#37
from what i'm learning in my audio program: music is only good for video, marketing and advertising

$$$$
Last edited by Dregen at Nov 4, 2014,
#38
Quote by Dregen
from what i'm learning in my audio program: music is only good for video, marketing and advertising

$$$$


But $$$$ makes people happy and the lack of it makes people sad, so you can say music does have a huge influence over people's emotions.
#40
Quote by ultimate-slash
You also can't spell 'Art Garfunkel' without 'art'.
So yeah, that's basically what you said.

Also "funk"

But on topic, I'm sure feels have some evolutionary purpose.
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