#1
http://www.calgici.com.tr/U29467,844,fender-std-strat-hss-rw-blk-nobag-fender-fender.htm so this is my guitar

Its a Fender Std. Strat HSS RW BLK NoBag

I want to play songs like the truth from limp bizkit and flyleaf,simply i want to play hard rock and metal,is it possible with that guitar

And i will buy this amp http://magaza.kivilcim.com.tr/fender-mustang-i-v2-tr.html

Its Fender MUSTANG I v2

So can i get the right sounds with that guitar and amp ?
#2
Yep.

That package will do metal just fine, at low, low volume. The price on that Mustang seems very high. Maybe you're limited in your location (?) I'd recommend looking for something bigger (or with a bigger speaker at least) and used for not much more money. Vypyr Tube 60 for example.
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#3
Some people say hss is just for blues and rock, sss would be better and stuff,i have heard this kind of things a lot,why is that ? What is the difference between hss and sss ? Which one is better for metal
#5
Quote by batuhanfs55
Some people say hss is just for blues and rock, sss would be better and stuff,i have heard this kind of things a lot,why is that ? What is the difference between hss and sss ? Which one is better for metal

HSS stands for Humbucker-Single Coil-Single Coil. SSS means it's all single coil. The difference is single coil guitars generally get more mid-range punch.

As for your guitar, yes, you can play metal on it. But don't expect it to sound really fucking heavy. It won't. Your pickups aren't designed for that.
#7
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
HSS stands for Humbucker-Single Coil-Single Coil. SSS means it's all single coil. The difference is single coil guitars generally get more mid-range punch.

As for your guitar, yes, you can play metal on it. But don't expect it to sound really fucking heavy. It won't. Your pickups aren't designed for that.



Im not planing to play like pantera or really heavy songs,but i really want to play those i said like flyleaf songs,and ofcourse limp bizkit,if it is poisbble to make enough heavy sounds for limp bizkit then it is ok
#8
That humbucker on the strat will help you get the chunky, dark tones. Of course, there are guitars that are better for what you want to play, but the strat will work.
#9
Quote by Danustar
Yep.

That package will do metal just fine, at low, low volume. The price on that Mustang seems very high. Maybe you're limited in your location (?) I'd recommend looking for something bigger (or with a bigger speaker at least) and used for not much more money. Vypyr Tube 60 for example.


If you say that the amp that you recommend will do really good in high volumes,i will consider it,the amp that i will buy has to be really good,we will be having a lot of small concerts
#10
Quote by Will Lane
That humbucker on the strat will help you get the chunky, dark tones. Of course, there are guitars that are better for what you want to play, but the strat will work.


If i can play the songs that i say up there,then there is no problem,but i would like to know the other guitars that will do better for limp bizkit alike bands
#11
I think any guitar can play any type of music some just sound slightly more "metal" then non metal specific guitars but I can play deathmetal with a Gibson and p-90s just fine haha.
#12
Honestly, as long as it has a humbucker in the bridge, it can do metal. Its more about the amp. Unfortunately i have no idea how the fender mustangs are, but a peavey vyper tube would be a good choice as well.
#13
the amp that i will buy has to be really good,we will be having a lot of small concerts
Then you need to put a lot more thought into your amp selection. If budget is a consideration you may need to invest a lot more into your amp & possibly pedals at the expense of a cheaper guitar.

Will your amp always be mic'd to a PA or do you need it to stand alone volume wise?
For Limp Bizkit, Flyleaf etc I assume you need great cleans as well as distortion and the ability to switch between the two?
#14
Quote by Danustar
Then you need to put a lot more thought into your amp selection. If budget is a consideration you may need to invest a lot more into your amp & possibly pedals at the expense of a cheaper guitar.

Will your amp always be mic'd to a PA or do you need it to stand alone volume wise?
For Limp Bizkit, Flyleaf etc I assume you need great cleans as well as distortion and the ability to switch between the two?


Yes you are right. So if the amp is even more important i will search for that vypyr tube.

Any other important points,suggestions maybe ?
#15
Yes. Whilst the Vypyr will give you some outstanding tone options in a similar fashion to the Mustang, it does require a specialised footswitch to change "channels". This may have to be bought separately (more $$) and could be a bit more cumbersome to jam and gig with than your standard clean/crunch footswitchable amps.

If you'd prefer simplicity of operation over versatility of sounds whilst still covering those tones you're after there are plenty of other amps that might be even more suitable. A used Marshall DSL40, Randall RD50 or Peavey 6505 combo come to mind for example. Have a sift through Youtube and see what you think.
#16
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
(a) The difference is single coil guitars generally get more mid-range punch.

(b) As for your guitar, yes, you can play metal on it. But don't expect it to sound really fucking heavy. It won't. Your pickups aren't designed for that.


(a) ???

(b) I dunno about that. As long as you have a bridge humbucker in there you more or less have a superstrat. Should be fine for metal. Of course, a more metal-orientated humbucker (in association with a metal-orientated amp) would likely help it to sound "more" metal.
#17
Quote by Dave_Mc
(a) ???

(b) I dunno about that. As long as you have a bridge humbucker in there you more or less have a superstrat. Should be fine for metal. Of course, a more metal-orientated humbucker (in association with a metal-orientated amp) would likely help it to sound "more" metal.


+1 on both points.
#18
Quote by Danustar
Yes. Whilst the Vypyr will give you some outstanding tone options in a similar fashion to the Mustang, it does require a specialised footswitch to change "channels". This may have to be bought separately (more $$) and could be a bit more cumbersome to jam and gig with than your standard clean/crunch footswitchable amps.

If you'd prefer simplicity of operation over versatility of sounds whilst still covering those tones you're after there are plenty of other amps that might be even more suitable. A used Marshall DSL40, Randall RD50 or Peavey 6505 combo come to mind for example. Have a sift through Youtube and see what you think.

They will be considered,the thing is rather than those i may get another guitar just for the songs that i said,it may cost less which one would be logical ?
#19
Quote by Dave_Mc
(a) ???

(b) I dunno about that. As long as you have a bridge humbucker in there you more or less have a superstrat. Should be fine for metal. Of course, a more metal-orientated humbucker (in association with a metal-orientated amp) would likely help it to sound "more" metal.


I can take suggestions about those guitars
#20
^ Oh no, I just meant you could swap out the bridge pickup in the Fender you mentioned for a more metal-voiced bridge pickup. If you really cared.
#21
Switching pickups is easy if you have even basic soldering skills. As long as it has humbucker bridge pickup the guitar is good to go for metal as long as the amp is up to it. It may benefit from a more aggressive sounding and hotter output pickup but its more about tone shaping than getting the job done.


Are you just starting out? Regarding your choice of guitars maybe you would be better of with a fixed bridge guitar, a one without tremolo that is. Like these.
http://www.calgici.com.tr/U32126,891,elektro-gitar-elektro-cort.htm
http://www.calgici.com.tr/U32128,891,elektro-gitar-elektro-cort.htm

Only difference between those two is in the body wood. The more expensive one has a flame maple veneered plain maple cap on top of mahogany body where the cheaper is, to my knowledge, just all mahogany wood with flame maple veneer for looks. Which one is better is subjective. I like Cort guitars, they tend to offer good bang for the buck.
#22
In conclusion i understand that my guitar can play metal,but cant get really heavy noises,it is ok for me,maybe not limp bizkit but skillet and flyleaf song's sound is easy to get with my guitar,which is nice.

I will keep searching for amps and consider these that you all suggested,

And i would like to thank all of you for helping
\m/
#25
Quote by Danustar
Nope. It'll play LB just fine. Just get the right amp.


Ok then,but what about evanescance,we got a girl vocalist now and she wants to sing my immortal so bad,and my question is clear,the solo of that song doesnt seem like a problem with my guitar,or am i wrong ? By the way i mean the tone of the notes,can i get the same tone ? And i know i cant get the tone in the studio versions,it is clear.
Last edited by batuhanfs55 at Nov 19, 2014,
#28
Quote by batuhanfs55
In conclusion i understand that my guitar can play metal,but cant get really heavy noises,it is ok for me,maybe not limp bizkit but skillet and flyleaf song's sound is easy to get with my guitar,which is nice.

I will keep searching for amps and consider these that you all suggested,

And i would like to thank all of you for helping
\m/


actually you aren't quite getting it at all. it's not as much the guitar as the amp (and fx to a lesser degree). your strat can be used for everything metal wise provided that your amp is up to the task. it may not nail the really heavy tones perfectly but you can play the songs and it will sound ok. things to keep in mind are tunings as some of the stuff you mentioned aren't in standard tuning and I'm pretty LB uses 7 string guitars on some of their stuff. I'm a strat player and use SSS strats and believe me they can get metal tones as well. not even close to ideal for things like death metal but I can make ir work if I have to. once again the key is the amp. my amp has an active eq which can greatly help a single coil pickup sound like a humbucker. same amp with humbuckers can get some really brutal sounds. bottom line is that the amp has way more to do with it than the guitar. yes pickups that are designed with metal in mind will make it easier to get certain tones. the humbuckers on your strat are medium output but can get the job done. since you aren't taking about the really heavy modern metal stuff you'll be fine provided you get a decent amp.
#29
Quote by monwobobbo
actually you aren't quite getting it at all. it's not as much the guitar as the amp (and fx to a lesser degree). your strat can be used for everything metal wise provided that your amp is up to the task. it may not nail the really heavy tones perfectly but you can play the songs and it will sound ok. things to keep in mind are tunings as some of the stuff you mentioned aren't in standard tuning and I'm pretty LB uses 7 string guitars on some of their stuff. I'm a strat player and use SSS strats and believe me they can get metal tones as well. not even close to ideal for things like death metal but I can make ir work if I have to. once again the key is the amp. my amp has an active eq which can greatly help a single coil pickup sound like a humbucker. same amp with humbuckers can get some really brutal sounds. bottom line is that the amp has way more to do with it than the guitar. yes pickups that are designed with metal in mind will make it easier to get certain tones. the humbuckers on your strat are medium output but can get the job done. since you aren't taking about the really heavy modern metal stuff you'll be fine provided you get a decent amp.


Do you have any idea about fender mustang 3 im thinking of it,do you thing that amp will help me with that
Last edited by batuhanfs55 at Nov 20, 2014,
#30
Quote by batuhanfs55
Do you have any idea about fender mustang 3 im thinking of it,do you thing that amp will help me with that


I have limited experience with the Mustang series amps. tried a couple thought they were ok for certain things but honestly not for metal. the Peavey Vypyr amps do metal way better. I have no experience with either amp in a band setting. I use Peavey tube amps (valveking and ultra) myself. not sure why you seem to be hung up on the Mustang though. how close do you want to get sound wise? if a decent sound is good enough then either of those will most probably work to a reasonable degree. I would think that the vypyr would get you closer though. if you want better than that then a tube amp would be the answer (but a much more expensive one. to play in a band with a modeling combo (mustang and vypyr) you'll need the higher wattage ones to be heard over the drums a 30 watt one just won't cut it.
#31
Quote by monwobobbo
I have limited experience with the Mustang series amps. tried a couple thought they were ok for certain things but honestly not for metal. the Peavey Vypyr amps do metal way better. I have no experience with either amp in a band setting. I use Peavey tube amps (valveking and ultra) myself. not sure why you seem to be hung up on the Mustang though. how close do you want to get sound wise? if a decent sound is good enough then either of those will most probably work to a reasonable degree. I would think that the vypyr would get you closer though. if you want better than that then a tube amp would be the answer (but a much more expensive one. to play in a band with a modeling combo (mustang and vypyr) you'll need the higher wattage ones to be heard over the drums a 30 watt one just won't cut it.


some friends recommended it,but i am not sayin i wont get anything different than mustang,if there are better amps than ofcourse i will search for them

By the way what about this one http://www.peramusical.com/?urun-1684-Vypyr-75-75W-Kombo-Elektro-Gitar-Amfi.html
#32
A Vypyr Tube would sound a lot louder and much better than the Vypyr 75, try to find one used, you'll be totally fine! If you can't, try to find a Vypyr VIP 3. If you can't, well, the 75W would do!

You WILL be able to dial about any tone you want with any of those 3 amps.

For the guitar:
Iron Maiden (to name only them) has been using Fender's for over 30 years and they are pretty good at it!
You can put any "metal oriented" pickup and it will sound like what you want.
You can even put Hot Rails on a single coil if you want a "hotter" pickup at the neck.
But, before you upgrade any pickup, take the time to buy and test an amp, you might be able to acheive what you want with the stock pickups!
#33
^ yeah try amps first before swapping pickups. i haven't tried the vypyrs but they seem to be recommended a lot for metal tones on a budget.
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#34
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some friends recommended it,but i am not sayin i wont get anything different than mustang,if there are better amps than ofcourse i will search for them

By the way what about this one http://www.peramusical.com/?urun-1684-Vypyr-75-75W-Kombo-Elektro-Gitar-Amfi.html


you not in the US? if that is the case then some of what you have been told may not be accurate (money wise). used market could be very different as well.
#35
Do any of you other guys have any experience with using the Vypyr * and in particular, the Sanpera * live?
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#36
Im not in the us,by the way i checked vypyr vıp 3 its not that expensive and looks nice,i am thinking of it now as you said it would do good,forget about mustang
#37
Quote by Danustar
Do any of you other guys have any experience with using the Vypyr * and in particular, the Sanpera * live?

friend has one and it works fine. patches are programed to follow set list.
#38
And again,what is the difference between hss and hh ? H stands for humbucker i understood that and i got 1 humbucker on my guitar and 2 single,a friend of mine has 2 humbuckers,what is the difference between oır guitars
#40
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And again,what is the difference between hss and hh ? H stands for humbucker i understood that and i got 1 humbucker on my guitar and 2 single,a friend of mine has 2 humbuckers,what is the difference between oır guitars


both guitars can get the full bridge humbucker tone (the usual tone for heavier tones)

the HH guitar can then get the tone of the two humbuckers on together (wired in parallel) which is a bit lower in output, and can also get the neck humbucker tone (warmer/jazzier, for heavier stuff think a lot of slash solos). It's more like a Gibson in terms of the tones it can get.

the HSS guitar (apart from the bridge humbucker tone) is more like a strat in terms of the tones it can get. It's arguably a bit more versatile, but it just depends on what you want.

If you look up youtube there are probably tons of videos explaining the differences between different pickup sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azo9bwSYDuA (for example)
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