#1
I just curious about their tone, and I don't trust recordings.

I'm really a fan of P90s, but some bright vintage pickups like SH-2s are OK. I had looked at the specs of the standard Alumitone humbucker, and it didn't look very promising, resonant peak around 2.4K hertz and an inductance around 1.5 henrys. OTOH, the few reports I've seen suggest that it is a bright pickup.

Whats the score?
#2
I have a trio of singlecoil-sized Alumitones in a maple hollowbody...they're excruciatingly clean, and can be pretty bright.
#4
They can be bright, nothing a pot swap or tone knob roll off can't fix. The Alumitones are insanely clear with both individual strings and chords, and are by design completely silent.
#5
Thans guys. In using Tonerider AL II vintage P90s in one guitar, and the Gibson has P100s, plus some other screwpole single coils. I'll keep the Rio Grandes in mind if I'm ever looking for more P90s.

I now this is a hard ask, but do you think that the alumitones sound clinical?
#7
Quote by dannyalcatraz
How do you mean?


Like I said, a hard ask. Maybe strong on the fundamental and weak on the high overtones, lacking character. I think of the SD pickups I've tried as sounding a bit clinical. But it could just be related to the acoustic properties of particular guitars. Maybe think of it this way- I'm looking for an acoustic quality in the tone.
#8


That tonal clarity is kind of unusual, but if you look on Youtube, you'll see them being used for jazz, rock and country-themed demos. And the Deathbucker versions do convincing metal.

I think of them as having kind of a neutral palette you can easily shape with your pedals and amp.
#10
+1 on the Rio Grandes, no question, but I think they're pricier than the Alumitones.

What kind of budget do you have, Tony?
#12
I just looked: a single Dirty Harry HB is listed as $148 on their website.

A single standard Alumitone HB ranges on price from $99-$112, with the "superhero" ones being $137-171, all depending on retailer.
#13
Oh yeah the Dirty Harry HB is a bit more expensive. The Bluesbar was cheaper than the Riffian. That was what I was thinking about.
#14
Ah, yeah.

Tangent: I'm not a modder by habit, but I may be becoming one. I have only done a pickup swap on 2 guitars, both because of defective pickups. But both of the last 2 high-end guitars I bough had custom pickups in them (Vintage Vibe and The Creamery), and I may be hooked.

IME, the HBs that sound best when split are the ones that sound better to start off with. And I have this Malden Bad Karma (mahogany body LP-clone) that sounds soo beefy & wicked as-is, in either mode. It has pretty decent sounding stock pickups.

...but I can't help but think that a Dirty Harry HB in the bridge & DH HB Jr in the neck would take it to another level. Partly because of the number of times we've both recommended them!
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#15
For a really rough/quick comparison. I'd done a very basic demo (random riffs/chugs etc) between 3 guitars ...just guitars -> to amp ..no FX...recorded with an SM57 aginst the grille going into a digital handheld recorder.


Riffs played in this order:

First: Alder (Dinky) with a Lace Deathbucker

Second: Basswood Cort Superstrat with a SD Blackout (AHB2 Metal)

Third: Mahogany BC Rich Ironbird Pro with an EMG 81

(All bridge pickups)

A couple of the riffs/chugs are'nt identical or ina different key ( forgot what I played before lol) but it should do for a general idea/comparison)

Lace Deathbucker - Blackout Metal AHB-2 - EMG 81 Comparison


The Deathbucker is one of my favourite bridge PU's..
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#16
Quote by dannyalcatraz
+1 on the Rio Grandes, no question, but I think they're pricier than the Alumitones.

What kind of budget do you have, Tony?


This is just a general inquiry at the moment, to get some idea of what they are like. When it comes to pickups I'm not very budget-conscious.

Cath, I thought you were talking about side by side coils in the Dirty Harry. Curtis Novak does one like that, it is has two coils, each serving three poles, with a normal P90 footprint. I've done a Z-coil with a 10k humbucker, with half the poles removed in each coil. It works pretty well, and sounds more P90 than humbucker.
#17
Quote by GodOfEmptyness
For a really rough/quick comparison. I'd done a very basic demo (random riffs/chugs etc) between 3 guitars ...just guitars -> to amp ..no FX...recorded with an SM57 aginst the grille going into a digital handheld recorder.


Riffs played in this order:

First: Alder (Dinky) with a Lace Deathbucker

Second: Basswood Cort Superstrat with a SD Blackout (AHB2 Metal)

Third: Mahogany BC Rich Ironbird Pro with an EMG 81

(All bridge pickups)

A couple of the riffs/chugs are'nt identical or ina different key ( forgot what I played before lol) but it should do for a general idea/comparison)

Lace Deathbucker - Blackout Metal AHB-2 - EMG 81 Comparison


The Deathbucker is one of my favourite bridge PU's..



Thanks, but I'm a '60's folkie looking for clean acoustic-like sounds for slide. FWIW, I thought the second one sounded the best overall, but I'm no judge of that kind of music.
#18
Just to give you an idea of the range of tones, here are 2 different YouTubers using standard Alumitones- one for mainstream blues-based rock, the other for metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUuZAT3FvVo&sns=em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r15uOo99kc&sns=em

So they're fairly flexible.

Get your amp EQed the right way and play pretty clean, I think you'd be able to do an "acoustic-ish" tone, though mayb not as well as piezos.

FWIW, there are some electric guitars that have really good acoustic tones from makers like Paraker, Godin, Fret-King and Veilette, to name a few. Most of them have some kind of piezo, as I recall. Something like that may deliver what you want better than a mere pup swap.

http://www.parkerguitars.com

http://www.veilletteguitars.com

http://fret-king.com/black-label/elise-gg-gordon-giltrap.html

http://www.godinguitars.com/godina6ultrap.htm

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultspectrump.htm
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#19
If you split the Dirty Harry HB, you get a normal Dirty Harry. The Dirty Harry really does sound like a P90.
This is a normal s/c Dirty Harry in action through a Randall RM100 with a Jaded Faith SLO module and a Timmy on the solos.
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#20
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Just to give you an idea of the range of tones, here are 2 different YouTubers using standard Alumitones- one for mainstream blues-based rock, the other for metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUuZAT3FvVo&sns=em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r15uOo99kc&sns=em

So they're fairly flexible.

Get your amp EQed the right way and play pretty clean, I think you'd be able to do an "acoustic-ish" tone, though mayb not as well as piezos.

FWIW, there are some electric guitars that have really good acoustic tones from makers like Paraker, Godin, Fret-King and Veilette, to name a few. Most of them have some kind of piezo, as I recall. Something like that may deliver what you want better than a mere pup swap.

http://www.parkerguitars.com

http://www.veilletteguitars.com

http://fret-king.com/black-label/elise-gg-gordon-giltrap.html

http://www.godinguitars.com/godina6ultrap.htm

http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultspectrump.htm


Yeah, I once had a piezo bridge on an Ibanez Talman solidbody running into a good preamp/mixer, and I've also used/use magnetic/piezo mixes on acoustic. What I'm thinking of here is the "acousticness" that can be had from a magnetic pickup. It's hard to explain, but I know it when I hear it. That being said, I have to admit the attraction of your suggestions; there's also the Gibson Chet Atkins.

Just one final question, and then I'll stop harassing you. How good is string-to-string balance on the Alumitones? If you turn up the treble on both guitar and amp, and play clean, can you hear any difference in output between the plain 3rd and wound 4th strings? It's something I'm sensitive to, and I can hear it in many standard pickups.
#21
I haven't noticed anything like that, but if may not be as sensitive to that as you.
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