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#1
I have the opportunity to get a 6505+ 1x12 that was converted into a head. It might not suit my current living situation(an apartment with neighbors in both directions) but from my understanding 6505s are built to last a very long time. Would be running this into a 2x12. How would this compare to a standard 6505+ head is the sound close at all? If there is a big sound quality difference I think I'll skip it.
#2
The power amp section's different, and the thing will sound a bit different.

Not that much different, and it'll probably not die on you.

If it's a good deal and you like the amp, I'd get it.
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It's a good amp. Won't sound exactly the same as a 6505+ but that isn't to say it'll sound bad at all. It's definitely in the right ballpark.
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#5
Upgraded with the right tubes, pedals, and speakers/cab, it will sound better than a stock 6505+ head and typical 6505 cab. But then again, an upgraded 6505+ 120 watt head might sound better yet. All I know is that after everything I've done to mine, whenever I mess around in a Guitar Center with a stock 120 watt 6505+ head, it doesn't sound as good as my rig. So they have potential if you do your research and pick your parts carefully. I love my 112 converted into a head -- plus it's nice to only have to buy 2 new power tubes every so often instead of 4. It's louder than hell even with only 60 watts...

Ultimately, any 6505 variant will deliver the br3wtalz if that's what you're after -- albeit in *slightly* different ways.
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#6
What's the price?

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Upgraded with the right tubes, pedals, and speakers/cab, it will sound better than a stock 6505+ head and typical 6505 cab. But then again, an upgraded 6505+ 120 watt head might sound better yet. All I know is that after everything I've done to mine, whenever I mess around in a Guitar Center with a stock 120 watt 6505+ head, it doesn't sound as good as my rig. So they have potential if you do your research and pick your parts carefully. I love my 112 converted into a head -- plus it's nice to only have to buy 2 new power tubes every so often instead of 4. It's louder than hell even with only 60 watts...

Ultimately, any 6505 variant will deliver the br3wtalz if that's what you're after -- albeit in *slightly* different ways.


What did you upgrade it with?
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$470

At that price you are paying for the seller's efforts to turn the combo into a head. If I were you I would either get the 6505+ combo for less money or the head for a little more.

If you want to buy the combo and turn it into a head that's cool, but not worth paying extra money for. It's not gonna sound any different than plugging a 6505+ combo into an external speaker cab so IMO it's not worth the extra cash.

In your situation, apartment and all, I would look for a used combo for less money and call it a day.

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Forgot you were planning to run this into a 2x12, but I stand by what I said. I would get the combo and run it into the 2x12, then you have the versatility of a 1x12 combo or 2x12 rig depending on what you need.

If you have the cash for the head, I would just buy the 120 watt head. That is because the money you would spend for the sellers efforts on the combo-to-head conversion would be better used on just buying the head.

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#10
All JJ tubes, for starters. 5751 in the PI position and also V1, 12ax7s everywhere else. ECC-803 in V1 also sounds awesome, although a little different from a 5751. A 5751 there sounds a little more clear with more low-end "thump," but an ECC-803 in V1 has richer mids and a little more grind.

JJ 6L6GCs in the power section. That was a night and day difference from the crappy stock Ruby 6L6s. It was as if the amp had received a healthy shot of testosterone/steroids.

And I don't know what you have for a cab, but I've got a 412 loaded with Eminence Governors (V30 clones, but better imho) crossed with Eminence Swamp Thangs. That combo is devastating. Even those two in an oversized 2 X 12 cab would be crushing.

Finally, run a boost pedal up front and turn the amp's gain down. That'll tighten it up and improve clarity/bite at the same time. Boost the bass/low mids back up with an EQ pedal in the loop. The EQ pedal is key on that amp -- made the biggest difference out of all my upgrades. A tubescreamer works great as the boost, but I like my MXR M77 even better. It gets me closer to a mid-90's death metal tone rather than the more modern metalcorish sound of a tubescreamer. But either way, it's not a huge difference.
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$470

where you located?...if U.S. that's kinda high
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At that price you are paying for the seller's efforts to turn the combo into a head. If I were you I would either get the 6505+ combo for less money or the head for a little more.

If you want to buy the combo and turn it into a head that's cool, but not worth paying extra money for. It's not gonna sound any different than plugging a 6505+ combo into an external speaker cab so IMO it's not worth the extra cash.

In your situation, apartment and all, I would look for a used combo for less money and call it a day.

-Edit-
Forgot you were planning to run this into a 2x12, but I stand by what I said. I would get the combo and run it into the 2x12, then you have the versatility of a 1x12 combo or 2x12 rig depending on what you need.

If you have the cash for the head, I would just buy the 120 watt head. That is because the money you would spend for the sellers efforts on the combo-to-head conversion would be better used on just buying the head.


I agree that it costs a little too much but the fact that it is just a small head to carry around is much better for my situation so it's worth the extra money for me. I have too many heavy amps that I have to move around the house as it is. I'm sticking to buying heads from now on.
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$470

Used that is a $350 combo and I wouldn't pay anymore than $300 if it was converted into a head.
See www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used-Peavey-6505-Plus-1X12-60W-BLK-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-110654726-i4035730.gc

You can get a USA made 5150 2x12 or 6505 2x12 for $500 anyday (and they are made way better than the 6505+ combo)
www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used-Peavey-5150-Combo-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-110551799-i3961534.gc

So I'd say your deal is a bust
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where you located?...if U.S. that's kinda high


Yeah I know you can get a used 6505 for around $399 but if I can get tones that are anywhere near the standard 6505 head this lower watt head is a good option for me I think.
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i got my 6505+112 for $225.00 on CL(with FS)...cost $0.00 to turn it into a head
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i got my 6505+112 for $225.00 on CL(with FS)...cost $0.00 to turn it into a head


And that's why I envy people like you who are good at all that DIY stuff. There are so many things I want to do that would save me a lot of money and space. But I was terrible in wood shop and welding class so I know I couldn't make my own cabinets or swap speakers or any of that kind of stuff so most of the time I have to deal with whatever I have access too.
#18
You can't make a box? Seriously?
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And that's why I envy people like you who are good at all that DIY stuff. There are so many things I want to do that would save me a lot of money and space. But I was terrible in wood shop and welding class so I know I couldn't make my own cabinets or swap speakers or any of that kind of stuff so most of the time I have to deal with whatever I have access too.

It is very easy if you have just a little common sense

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Yeah I guess just takes a tiny bit of motivation and some research...
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I think I'm just going to pick up an Ampeg VH140C head it'll do all the metal tones I need and I don't have to worry about replacing tubes and what not. It'll take time and persistence to track one down but it'll be worth it.
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#24
So not only can't you build a box, you can't change a lightbulb? Are you mentally challenged?
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So not only can't you build a box, you can't change a lightbulb? Are you mentally challenged?


Like I said just never been good with that kind of stuff in general. I just don't have eyes or the feel for woodworking I would always measure the wood a little bit off misjudge where to cut or cut at an angle not noticing I was doing so until it was too late. Does that make me mentally challenged? I don't know. Maybe I have a long hard life ahead of me...

As for the tubes I don't know if I could bias the amp by myself or I would need to take it to a tech and pay for their service and then pay for the new tubes on top that every time they need replacing. Don't know if it's worth the headaches.
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#26
You don't need to rebias 6505's. The bias control is actually a bit of a joke. Lots of amps don't need to be rebiased and some are so easy that a gimp could do it. You're too easily discouraged. Life wasn't meant to be easy, embrace it and rise above it.
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#27
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So not only can't you build a box, you can't change a lightbulb? Are you mentally challenged?

All joking aside OP, changing tubes is really no more difficult than changing a light bulb. They go bad after a while so you get some new ones and plug them in. As mentioned, 6505's don't need to be biased unless they have been modified after they left the factory so they are literally plug 'n play.


I guess it comes down to what you really want.

6505+ 60watt combo: $300 to $500 used
6505+ 120 watt head: $600 to $800 used

The option you're looking at, a 6505+ 60 watt combo to head conversion seems fairly priced if you're willing to pay for someone to do the woodworking to turn a combo into a head.

If you like metal, the 6505 is pretty much the go to modern metal amp.

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#28
Quote by 2FoolForSchool
I think I'm just going to pick up an Ampeg VH140C head it'll do all the metal tones I need and I don't have to worry about replacing tubes and what not. It'll take time and persistence to track one down but it'll be worth it.


i haven't played through the Ampeg but they say it and the Crate GX-130C sound the same...don't sound bad for a SS amp but it's nowhere near the amp a 6505+ is...and ive heard my 6505+ and Crate side by side.....just a opinion
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Quote by 2FoolForSchool
Like I said just never been good with that kind of stuff in general. I just don't have eyes or the feel for woodworking I would always measure the wood a little bit off misjudge where to cut or cut at an angle not noticing I was doing so until it was too late. Does that make me mentally challenged? I don't know. Maybe I have a long hard life ahead of me...

As for the tubes I don't know if I could bias the amp by myself or I would need to take it to a tech and pay for their service and then pay for the new tubes on top that every time they need replacing. Don't know if it's worth the headaches.


you are victim to the wave of people saying who don't know what to talk without experience repeating rumors that say tube are that tube amps are such a pain in the ass.

i have 6 tube heads within sight from where i am. i have the combos in the other room and don't forget the one by my bedroom.

i average for 5 heavily used all tube heads, is $150 a year. that is SIX amps from 18 to 30 to 100 watt amps.

KT88's are pricey though.

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if you get a 6505+with fresh tubes, you are likely set for several years. 12ax7 (preamp tubes little ones with the aluminum covers) run $10 a pop for a a standard JJ

power tubs that are good run for the quad is $70 again JJ's. i use JJ's for about everything.

they will likely last several years.

stick them in the socket, pull them out. that is all you have to do.
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i haven't played through the Ampeg but they say it and the Crate GX-130C sound the same...don't sound bad for a SS amp but it's nowhere near the amp a 6505+ is...and ive heard my 6505+ and Crate side by side.....just a opinion


Okay now you're swaying me back to the 6505. I've been dying to pick up a "real" amp for a long time now, so sick of the low end sounds of my little practice amps. The amp I really want for the future is the Randall T2 from what I'm hearing it sounds amazing and just a tad bit better than the 6505 don't think I've ever heard a better metal amp.
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A Randall T2 is hardly a "real" amp in this context. It's Randall's Valvestate.
A Randall RM100, now that's a real amp. An amp btw, that a gimp could rebias. But by the time you buy all the modules you want they can get a bit pricey (I've spent >$1k on modules alone).
Get a 6505, man. You know it's what you want and they're dirt cheap. Stop pissing around and buy one.
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#32
6505

6505

6505

Tube dies. Swap it out. There is no way you can **** it up.
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A Randall T2 is hardly a "real" amp in this context. It's Randall's Valvestate.
A Randall RM100, now that's a real amp. An amp btw, that a gimp could rebias. But by the time you buy all the modules you want they can get a bit pricey (I've spent >$1k on modules alone).
Get a 6505, man. You know it's what you want and they're dirt cheap. Stop pissing around and buy one.


Hey it's a real amp to me! Anything that sounds as good or better than a freaking 6505 more than qualifies as a "real" amp. And I probably am getting the 6505, and the T2 later when I can afford it.
#34
You will reconsider the T2 once you spend some time with the 6505.
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#35
If you want Randall the V2 might be the better one yes? IIRC that is the one that actually has a all tube preamp channel. Power amp is solid state.

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#36
No way does the T2 sound as good as a 6505.
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#37
T2 vs 6505+

T2 has shared EQ/Density/Presence controls for both channels and SS power section
6505+ has separate EQ's/Resonance/Presence controls for both channel and ALL tube

no contest
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#38
6505 all the way and this is coming from someone that isn't really a fan of the 6505!
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#39
Hell I am pretty sure that you can go to home depot, buy the wood there and make them cut it for you...
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Hell I am pretty sure that you can go to home depot, buy the wood there and make them cut it for you...


Yeah that's what I was thinking. There's a local shop around here that should offer the same service. I found a better deal a used Peavey XXX for around $300. Great, great deal don't think I can pass it up...
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