#1
It's quite clear that with several models of Gretsch guitars, taken together, there must be thousands of duplicate sequential numbers of the serial numbers during the post-Baldwin / pre-Fender era (1989 through 2002).

I've been particularly interested in hollow-body Gretsch guitars for a few years, own a few, and I've kept track of the serial numbers of all the examples I came across of a few of the models produced in this time frame.

During that time, the first two numbers of the serial number indicate the year of manufacture. The next one or two digits indicate the month. The next three or more numbers (and sometimes letters) indicate the model the guitar is. After that comes a hyphen and after the hyphen the number represents the sequential number of that particular instrument in the entire production run of that model, NOT the sequential number of that instrument in its year of manufacture, - as is often wrongly reported by even Gretsch "experts."

For example, here are the serial numbers of examples of the Gretsch Country Classic I, model number 6122S (with the Single cutaway).

8910122S-53 - Made in October of '89 - the 53rd one made
8910122S-68
8911122S-92
8911122S-97
907122S-165
907122S-172 - Made in July of '90 - the 172nd one made.
>
917122S-21
917122S-28
9110122S-93
927122S-197
9711122S-460
005122S-512
009122S-517
0012122S-529
027122S-561
027122S-562
027122S-573

I've never seen a serial number for a post-Baldwin / pre-Fender Gretsch that was made prior to August of '89, so apparently the Terada plant in Japan started making Gretsches in August of that year. From the serial numbers we see that by July of 1990 they had produced up to 172 of this model. But then in July of '91 the sequential numbers drop back down to 21, and then start climbing again after that. At the overall rate of production from the beginning in 1989 to July of 1990, they easily could have produced more than 350 of this model by July of 1991 when we see the radically out of sequence number 21.

I own "sequential number" 460 (9711122S-460), but because it was made after the reversion to a lower sequential number in the middle of 1991, it's real sequential place in the production run of this model is very likely to be close to number 800.

The first one on the above list, number 8910122S-53, for example, must have a "twin sister" with the same "sequential number," made most likely in August or September of 1991. And number 917122S-21, from July of '91, must have a "twin sister" with the same "sequential number," but made in 1989.

And this reverting to a much lower sequential number also took place with the Country Classic II, model 6122 (with the double cutaway), - with the Tennessee Rose, model number 6119, - and with the Nashville, model number 6120. And with all of these four models, the reverting to a lower sequential number happens around June or July of 1991.

I figure with these four models there must be thousands of Gretsches with duplicate sequential numbers matching the sequential numbers of others that were made many months apart.

And I've only kept track of these four models, so one has to wonder how many other Gretsch models of this time period had the sequential numbers of their serial numbers suddenly revert to a much lower number around June or July of 1991, thereby also causing a duplication of sequential numbers.
Last edited by Honorism at Dec 16, 2014,
#2
Here are the serial numbers of the Gretsch Country Classic II, model 6122 (with the double cutaway), that I've come across.

898122-11 - Made in August of '89 - the eleventh one made
909122-510 - Made in September of '90 - the 510th one made
>
926122-71
939122-154
9610122-343
9610122-350
993122-457
007122-535

Somewhere between September of 1990 and June of 1992 the reverting to a much lower sequential number took place. One has to wonder how many were made before the switch.
Last edited by Honorism at Dec 14, 2014,
#3
Here's the list of serial numbers I've seen for the Gretsch Tennessee Rose, model 6119.

906119-239 - Made in June of '90 - the 239th one made
9011119-3XX - Made in November of '90 - somewhere between 300 and 399
>
917119-22
918119-76
9110119-204
924119-412
939119-696
943119-902
965119-1359
9811119-2179
991119-2214
995119-2376
995119-2377
0011119-2922
0011119-2946
019119-3433
019119-3449
022119-3686
022119-3691
022119-3697
022119-3712

By July of 1991 the reversion to a much lower sequential number took place.
#4
Here's the list of serial numbers I've found for the Gretsch Nashville, model 6120.

898120-31 - Made in August of '89 - the 31st one made
898120-49
909120-551 - Made in September of '90 - the 551st one made
>
917120-30
943120-1003
959120-1333
973120-1748
989120-2087
001120-2372
005120-2440

Again, the reverting to a much lower sequential number happened by July of 1991.

I own number "1003," from March of '94, but with it being made AFTER the reverting to lower "sequential numbers," it's actual sequential place in the history of this model very likely is in the 1900s or possibly the lower 2000s. So it's conceivable that it has a "twin sister" number "1003" from possibly June of 1991 (with a serial number of possibly: 916120-1003).

Obviously, any additional serial numbers from this time period will serve to further verify my findings, so if anyone has one of these Gretsches from this time period, please feel free to contribute your serial number to the lists. Thanks.
Last edited by Honorism at Dec 15, 2014,
#5
I'm sure Fred Gretsch, Himself, would like to have this information.

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Last edited by Honorism at Dec 31, 2014,