#1
I've got two sets of friends that I get together and jam with on a fun casual basis. One set is all about the blues, SRV, Kenny Wayne type stuff. The other set is pure metal, new and old school.
I was thinking about getting a classic vibe 60's strat, and then something like a used schecter diamon, avenger, platinum, or ltd 300-400 series.

I'm debating if I should go with two guitars of the aforementioned, or if I should just pool my money and get one guitar of higher quality such as a Hellraiser or LTD 1000 series.

Thoughts?
#2
Get a single better guitar. But a guitar that can facilitate both styles.
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+1 to just getting one better guitar.

But don't be fooled into thinking you can only play metal on a metal guitar etc, choose the guitar you feel most comfortable with and you'll be able to play anything on it.
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Yeah I could definitely play the blues on an ltd or schecter, just was thinking how it would come out sounding. If I did go with a hellraiser or ltd 1000, would passives give me more adaptability for that bluesy sound or would EMGs still be ok?
#6
If you're going to be doing a lot of alternative tunings between the genres, a dedicated guitar for each would be ideal. That said, you're generally better off in the long run with a single quality axe over multiple cheapies.

What is your budget?
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#7
If you want something new I suggest something along the lines of a MIM Standard/Deluxe Strat with an HSS configuration. Then you have a hotter humbucker for when you play with your metal friends, and the single coils to play blues. Some have the 6 point trem, some the 2 point, and some have a Floyd. Pickups are all the same on them. On the low end they are $549 and $749 on the high end that come as a plus top and a Floyd.

If you go with used you can find an American Special in HSS config for about $700.
Last edited by Explorer91 at Dec 22, 2014,
#8
Quote by dannyalcatraz
If you're going to be doing a lot of alternative tunings between the genres, a dedicated guitar for each would be ideal. That said, you're generally better off in the long run with a single quality axe over multiple cheapies.

What is your budget?


Around $800 tops.

The classic vibes are around $350 new at my local guitar shop, I've seen them around $250 used. I'd probably throw some 11s on it and use it strictly for blues.

Schecters and LTD's I've seen used around $400-500 in my area that still have mahogany bodies, and EMG's so I'm not entirely sure what the main difference is with those and the models above like the Hellraiser and 1000(EC or MH), other than maybe ebony fretboards?
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Quote by Explorer91
If yo want something new I suggest something along the lines of a MIM Standard/Deluxe Strat with an HSS configuration. Then you have a hotter humbucker for when you play with your metal friends, and the single coils to play blues. Some have the 6 point trem, some the 2 point, and some have a Floyd. Pickups are all the same on them. On the low end they are $549 and $749 on the high end that come as a plus top and a Floyd.

If you go with used you can find an American Special in HSS config for about $700.


I did think about that and I plan to find one around the area to play and see how it feels.
One of the reasons I was thinking about 2 was for having different stings on them..maybe 11's on the blues axe, and 9s or 10s or hybrids (not sure yet) on the metal axe.
#10
I'd recommend:

If you're leaning more towards metal, Fernandes' online store is having a clearances ale you should check out:
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com

If you're leaning towards the blues/classic rock side or a genuine balance, check out Reverend- their bass contour knobs offer a lot of tonal flexibility and the models with RailHammer pickups handle typical metal down tunings better than most passive pickups. Here are some used ones with RailHammers:
https://reverb.com/item/262937-reverend-sensei-ra-electric-guitar-in-purple-burst-free-case
https://reverb.com/item/218315-used-reverend-bayonet-satin-deep-sea-blue
https://reverb.com/item/151580-used-reverend-kingbolt-ra-fm
https://reverb.com/item/266149-reverend-kingbolt-ra-fm-2013-turquoise-demo-model-free-shipping-usa

You might also consider a Godin Velocity, Redline HB, xtSA, Freeway or Freeway SA. Well made guitars.
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#11
Quote by basudz
Around $800 tops.

The classic vibes are around $350 new at my local guitar shop, I've seen them around $250 used. I'd probably throw some 11s on it and use it strictly for blues.

Schecters and LTD's I've seen used around $400-500 in my area that still have mahogany bodies, and EMG's so I'm not entirely sure what the main difference is with those and the models above like the Hellraiser and 1000(EC or MH), other than maybe ebony fretboards?


used MIM strat and take some time to look around for a used metal orientated guitar. around here that is pretty easy. that gives you 2 mid level guitars. EMGs aren't essential for metal. keep in mind that you can upgrade pickups down the road. getting a decent feeling and playing guitar should come first. MIMs can be had around $300 all day leaving you over $400 for your metal guitar. if bought used then you should end up with 2 really good guitars.
#12
it really depends. I mean you may like the two guitars tones is one out of the box perspective (otherwise i wouldn't comment) ....at the same time though the pro is if you're into the new string sound two guitars would help. No two guitars sound 100% the same made of wood though.

the million dollar question though to buy 2 used or 2 new guitars though. Especially this week on craigslist/gumtree(uk)/kijiji(canada)/ebay you'll find stupidly cheap deals.

but with the right tuning, choice of notes and amp settings though you'd be surprised how versatile any guitar can be. Had this ibanez bio armor guitar, a really jazzed up RG and this one guy played it, did some shredding or watered down djent style all the kids play while he was getting tuners installed or whatever and then this black guy came to get some work done on his bass. He played funk music. Same pick and all just his choice of notes, melody and all made the guitar sound totally different.

you can kind of modify the guitar to better suit metal doing this and that of course and at the same time get blues or whatever out of the guitar with series/parallel wiring when in doubt. Just my 2 cents.
Last edited by Tallwood13 at Dec 22, 2014,
#13
Quote by dannyalcatraz
I'd recommend:

If you're leaning more towards metal, Fernandes' online store is having a clearances ale you should check out:
http://www.fernandesguitarshop.com

If you're leaning towards the blues/classic rock side or a genuine balance, check out Reverend- their bass contour knobs offer a lot of tonal flexibility and the models with RailHammer pickups handle typical metal down tunings better than most passive pickups. Here are some used ones with RailHammers:
https://reverb.com/item/262937-reverend-sensei-ra-electric-guitar-in-purple-burst-free-case
https://reverb.com/item/218315-used-reverend-bayonet-satin-deep-sea-blue
https://reverb.com/item/151580-used-reverend-kingbolt-ra-fm
https://reverb.com/item/266149-reverend-kingbolt-ra-fm-2013-turquoise-demo-model-free-shipping-usa

You might also consider a Godin Velocity, Redline HB, xtSA, Freeway or Freeway SA. Well made guitars.


Thanks for the tips!
#14
Quote by monwobobbo
used MIM strat and take some time to look around for a used metal orientated guitar. around here that is pretty easy. that gives you 2 mid level guitars. EMGs aren't essential for metal. keep in mind that you can upgrade pickups down the road. getting a decent feeling and playing guitar should come first. MIMs can be had around $300 all day leaving you over $400 for your metal guitar. if bought used then you should end up with 2 really good guitars.


There is a nice MIM at a local used guitar shop going for $350. Seemed like the Squier classic vibes had better p-ups though. I'm not really sure that it makes all that much difference at that level though?
#15
Malden went under recently, but they made good guitars. I have their Bad Karma, which is the Karmer (LP clone) with the hotter pickups they used in the Bulldozer (SG clone). Adirondack seems to have a couple of Maldens left- they don't have the Bad Karma, but the Karma and Bulldozer still seem to be there.

www.adirondackguitar.com/electrics/malden/karma.htm http://www.adirondackguitar.com/electrics/malden/bulldozer.htm
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#16
Electra was a Japanese company that made killer Gibson clones in the 1970s & 80s, but went under. Within the past year or so, a couple of industry vets bought Electra's IP and resurrected them in Florida. I own an Omega Prime- a prettified version of the modern MiK Omegas (LP clones).

Here are a couple of vintage MiJ Omegas, plus a modern MiK:

Modern:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electra-Omega-Black-W-Case-MOP-Ebony-TonePros-Bridge-Tailpiece-Tuners-/251734257630?pt=Guitar&hash=item3a9c87efde

Vintage
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electra-Omega-/301450965474?pt=Guitar&hash=item462fe0b1e2
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Late-70s-Electra-X220-Omega-SLM-Electric-Guitar-Set-Neck-Orig-Case-MIJ-/271524037617?pt=Guitar&hash=item3f381803f1

(Usually, MiK Omegas run over $900, so I limited my search.)
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#17
Quote by basudz
There is a nice MIM at a local used guitar shop going for $350. Seemed like the Squier classic vibes had better p-ups though. I'm not really sure that it makes all that much difference at that level though?


depends on what "better" means to you. as I mentioned you can always change them down the road. personal preference I guess. I hate the glossy maple necks on the Squier but of course some love them as that is like the original fenders. it all "matters" to a degree as you have to be happy with the guitar you buy. I prefer the MIMs so that is what I suggested but you can't really go wrong either way.
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Quote by monwobobbo
depends on what "better" means to you. as I mentioned you can always change them down the road. personal preference I guess. I hate the glossy maple necks on the Squier but of course some love them as that is like the original fenders. it all "matters" to a degree as you have to be happy with the guitar you buy. I prefer the MIMs so that is what I suggested but you can't really go wrong either way.


Here's the MIM. http://www.musicgoroundtroy.com/p/262637/used-fender-strat-mim-wcase

And then the 60's classic vibe - http://huber-breese-music.myshopify.com/products/fender-squier-classic-vibe-60s-stratocaster
#20
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Get a single better guitar. But a guitar that can facilitate both styles.


Agreed. I know I always say it's a judgement call, and there comes a price point where two decent guitars might be more useful, if you genuinely do play a wide range of stuff, than one good guitar, but I'd rather have one decent mid-range guitar than two low-end beginner-quality guitars, all the same.

HSS strat or superstrat? That'd be my call.

^ If you're going to be playing a fair bit of the heavier stuff I really think you need a bridge humbucker in there. Just my opinion, though.
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#21
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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#22
Also, this Reverend Warhawk 390 just got relisted. P90s are pretty versatile, covering blues to metal, easily...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171606002582?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2661&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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