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I really want a 3 channel 100 watt head. I don't like using stomp boxes for distortion, but I need something that has the versatility to switch between beautiful clean and crushingly heavy distortion. I used to own a TSL 100 and remember that it could do such things, but have been seeing more and more used Dual Rectifiers pop up for cheap. Genres I primarily play are post rock, black metal, or doom metal. I need this to be road worthy, and not particularly noisy (dont remember if the tsl was...)

Here are my choices:
TSL 100 with an ata road case for under $700 that needs new power tubes (~$65)

or

a Pre 2010 Mesa Dual Rectifier for around $900

Keep in mind, i can retube and bias it myself, and I don't think I would want a triple rectifier even though i can find one for around the same price. I don't really think i'll need the added headroom from the extra 50 watts. I'm not really interested in any other amps unless they have 3 channels, good clean, lots of gain, and are around $1000. Any thoughts on what I should do?
#2
Out of the two I would take the Rec, but if I was looking for a three channel amp I would grab an EVH 50 watt 5150 III head. Also consider a Carvin V3 for something a bit cheaper.
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#3
I would take the Rectifier.
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#5
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XXX/JSX first. Rectifier second. Wouldn't even consider the TSL.


I'll second the JSX (now rebadged the Butcher 50 watt and the XXX II 100 watt). I have found that the original XXX ultra channel is kind of messy and the amp as a whole leaves something to be desired, so I won't recommend that. Definitely check out the JSX though.

You may also like the Marshall JVM410.
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#6
If you can find one, a Marshall 6100/6101, basically the same amp, but the 6101 is a combo. 3 channel, middle channel has 3 modes for varying amounts of gain, according to Marshall, to sound like a JTM45/JCM800/JCM900SLX depending on the mode selected
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#7
^exellent suggestion, what the JVM should have been really.
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#8
Take the rec. My xxx is on its way out to damn touchy and trebley can't dial it in easy and I've been at it for 6 mos.
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#9
Dual rec any day of the week.

And I hate them.

But the TSL pales in comparison.
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#10
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Take the rec. My xxx is on its way out to damn touchy and trebley can't dial it in easy and I've been at it for 6 mos.

I find the opposite true. I have a Rev G 2 channel rec and I really dont think it sounds good on either red or orange. However I play mostly thrash and old Sabbath so the XXX is very easy to dial in. JSX is tamer and less touchy though.
But it really depends on what your after in tone. What do you play?
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#12
TSL was a weaker version of the DSL, something they did about splitting the preamp tubes on too many channels, I don't remember exactly but it wasn't a very good sounding amplifier, at least the ones I tried weren't. The DSL is better.
It all boils down to whether you're a Marshall or a Mesa guy. I think each have their own signature sounds that are different and sought after. The Marshall has that grind that cuts through anything, the Mesa has that thickness and heaviness that crushes so...it is really up to you.

I'd probably go with the Mesa at this point cause I've had the Marshall for a while

I'd suggest that you compare DSL (instead of TSL unless you like the TSL) vs Mesa Dual at this point.

A few other amps to look at (some people suggested these already): Carvin V3, Peavey JSX, Soldano SLO, VHT/Fryette Sig X, VHT/Fryette Pitbull, Rivera Knuckelhead, Laney VH50 or 100 watt, GH 50 or 100 watt... maybe even some of the bigger Orange amps but I don't think you can get them that cheap used.
#13
^^ Modern metal classic rock blues just haven't had luck with the xxx. Great build and quality wise but its active eq compared to my mesas is a wreck.
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#14
TSL's are crap
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#15
I actually just sold my DSL100 for this reason. I need a 3 channel amp. The DSL was fantastic at what it did, but didn't want to mod it, so im looking for something else now. I'll look into the XXX, I feel like I honestly like the clean of the tsl100 more than the mesa though. I just saw 2 jvm 410s on reverb for $1200 though.
#16
JVM's are crap too.
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#17
Peavey 6534+. Not technically 3 channels, but sort of is, and all 3 modes can be accessed w/ footswitch.

EVH 5150 III if you can find one cheap enough. The 50W is meh in comparison.

JSX is a great amp but you might have to boost it.

I didn't like the JVM until I played it through the 1960AHW (G12H55 Heritage speakers). Then it was gnarly. It's pretty disappointing through T75s and V30s.
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#18
Yeah, I love peavey and a 6505 or 6534 would be cool but it isn't 3 channel really. Plus, the clean isn't that great. I want a road ready amp of monolithic destruction. I have a rectifier 4x12 with v30s. Also, just found a jvm410 for $1200 with an ATA case but no footswitch. The switched for the thing is like $157. I'd save money getting a dual rec and just buying a road case separately. All of that being said, the only mesa I've ever played through was a stiletto trident and I HATED it!
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#19
The Egnater Vengeance is a 2-channel amp, but performs more like a 3-4 channel amp when you consider the voicing options and addition of a tubescreamer pedal. The clean is really nice, and the gain channel has enough gain for a really light crunch, all the way to a modern metal distortion with a tight lowend (or open, if you fancy). The tone has been compared to a hotrodded marshall, although I cant confirm that because Ive never played a hotrodded marshall. But i owned the vengeance for about 2 years and it performs well recorded and live. The caveat though is that its voicing is pretty unique sounding, atleast compared to the amps that Ive played. It just sounds a lot different. You should definitly play it before you buy it. Its not the kind of amp that i would recommend ordering on a whim. But it is highly versatile and quality nonetheless (and affordable, last i checked!)

The Armageddon is the vengeance's big brother. It has "three channels" but i think the third channel is just a gain boost, not a dedicated channel. It also has a built in isp noisegate. That may be the direction you want if you sincerely want the 3 channels and need the noisegate. Otherwise, id say go for the vengeance because it takes tubescreamers really well on either the clean or dirty channel.
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#20
Honestly, I love the Recto sound, but I will not buy a pre-2010 3 channel again. I wasn't huge on the TSL, but quite enjoyed the DSL50 I used to jam on at band practices. If I had to choose between the TSL and a 3-channel Recto, I'd get the TSL. Unless you like boomy, flubby bass with little note definition and just want a huge wall of sound for power chords, I'd stay away from the 3 channel

If you really need 3 channels, the Mark IV or III can be had for under a grand and I'd take it over either. Otherwise, the 50w 5150 III head is pretty bitchin and you can get them for $850 new.
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#21
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JVM's are crap too.



Cmon now Cath. The JVM is a fine amp for certain things. I'll admit there are at least three Marshalls I'd have before it but still.
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#22
Yeah, I'm more of a rhythm player anyways, not a super shredder. I feel like the jvm 410 might be a really good option for me. I hear such mixed review about mesa stuff, though everyone uses it.
#23
The first two channels are ok. The red channel is where it all goes to hell.
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#24
Keep in mind, I've owned a lot of amps and this isn't just what I want, but need. A 3 channel high gain amp, that can handle low tunings and such, but has great cleans as well. I'm sure a JCM 800 is amazing, and I've played through a 900 or 2 that were awesome. I just need a 3 channel head, that is within my price range for my road amp. The 410 might be just what I need if the tsl really is garbage without almost a grand of modding. I'm more familiar with Marshalls than mesa, but the dual rectifier has a great price on it these days.
#26
You keep talking about amps that I don't like.

What you really need is an RM100 but it's almost certainly out of your budget once you buy the modules that you'd need.
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#28
Well, the TSL is an abortionary attempt at being a Mesa. The red channel on the JVM is a noisy, flubby mess.
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#30
Yeah, I guess. But the 3 channel one is rubbish. Get a 2 channel one and a Timmy instead.
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#31
I have a 2 channel rev G dual rec and its not that great especially on the clean side. I hear the rev F or pre 500 serials are the ones to get. I really wanna try a Mark iv.
What i dont understand is why you need 3 channels for playing mostly rhythm?
#32
I play rhythm and like 3 channels myself , one for clean , mid gain and high gain channel , no messing around just hit a button .... The Carvin 100 watt V3 mentioned in the first or second post would do everything he needs , I use the V3m micro 50 watt for modern rock , new metal and some 80's rock

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#33
I don't like playing with stomp boxes for my distortion. I know I said rhythm, but as it is extreme metal of sorts, it's a lot of speed picking still, that's why I need 3 channels: clean, crunch, super gain/lead.

I have actually considered the Carvin V3, just a little less available is all.
#34
So let me get this straight; you'd rather a second rate amp just so that you don't need an overdrive pedal? Are you out of your mind?
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#35
Check out Randall Diavlo RD100. The 100W version has 3 channels and from what i have heard all good sounding for really low tunings too. Laney Ironhearts also have a good reputation.

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#36
for a three channel look at a fryette sig;x. i love mine. the middle channel can get really heavy only one gain stage less than the channel three foro little blues to relatively clean. i paid a $1000 with fresh tubes and the old ones in a shoe box.

i really like it and have no complaints.
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A 3 channel high gain amp, that can handle low tunings and such, but has great cleans as well.



I don't see anything wrong with Mesa Rectifiers if you want to go that route.

I think the Peavey JSX would be fantastic for your needs. Few other amps to consider: Fryette Sig X if you can find in your price range. There was a 3 channel Laney, I believe it was the TT series (TT100H) which they seem not to make anymore. The Laney VH series might work for you since it has 2 channel and gain foot switchable additional on each channel, essentially making it 4 channel.
http://www.laney.co.uk/products/product_details/141

The Ironheart seems to be getting good reviews, 3 channel:
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#38
I think a XXX Is best for speed picking. Really compressed and tight I know I keep saying XXX but I think it's a highly underrated amp for practically peanuts these days.
#39
Quote by trashedlostfdup
for a three channel look at a fryette sig;x. i love mine. the middle channel can get really heavy only one gain stage less than the channel three foro little blues to relatively clean. i paid a $1000 with fresh tubes and the old ones in a shoe box.

i really like it and have no complaints.


Solid suggestion here!

What about ENGL? They have a ton of amplifiers with 2 channels that also have 2 modes. Tons of gain and the cleans are great imo.
#40
What about the EVH 5150 III? it is a solid 3 ch amp that will cover most any thing you want
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