#1
I don't know anything about guitars (or any other instrument) but I want to learn.

Budget is fairly limited: 450£ / 700$ / 575€ for both the guitar and the amp (obviously used). Might be able to push it a bit if we are talking about a "jump" in quality. I live in London.

Sounds I would like to go for sorted by priority (but all are very close to my heart):

Tier 1:
Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing (Alchemy Live)
timestamped sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY#t=382

Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms (On the Night)
timestamped sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2rx3IAEISA#t=64

Tier 2:
Andy Timmons - Cry for you, Live in New York 2013
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlqRp5fsUPE

Akira Yamaoka - Promise (Silent Hill 2)
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qalGezr76o

Tier 3:
Way too many to list, Iron Maiden, Amon Amarth, Iced Earth, Motorhead etc etc. Lots and lots of metal.

Children of Bodom - Everytime I Die (Follow the Reaper)
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkURwfjB8W0

Sonic Mayhem - Quad Machine (Quake II)
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvRYVSQS2_s

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a few points:
balance of budget between amp - guitar
thickness of the connecting point between neck - body
Last edited by yawaworht at Dec 29, 2014,
#2
Used Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and used Fender Stratocaster.


You can usually find the amp for $400 and the guitar for $250. That's the best Mark Knopfler-on-a-budget setup you could ask for for under $700!
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#3
Quote by yawaworht
I forgot to mention that I will be playing in my own room only and using headphones most of the time.

This being the case, you should think about getting something like a Zoom or Line 6 multi effects unit. Both are good (my preference is Zoom, but just as many people prefer Line 6), and have a range of amp sims & effects that will cover pretty much every tone you're after.

Check out the Zoom G1on/G3/G5 and the Line 6 POD range.

Decent headphones can be had fairly cheap too, Sennheiser HD201 are great and cost less than £20.
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#4
I would also say amp is the most important aspect.

That said, I find an exception here, in that the "strat/single coil sound" can be considered an important enough characteristic for the clean tones of the likes of Mark Knopfler and Andy Timmons.

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Quote by GaryBillington
This being the case, you should think about getting something like a Zoom or Line 6 multi effects unit. Both are good (my preference is Zoom, but just as many people prefer Line 6), and have a range of amp sims & effects that will cover pretty much every tone you're after.

Check out the Zoom G1on/G3/G5 and the Line 6 POD range.

Decent headphones can be had fairly cheap too, Sennheiser HD201 are great and cost less than £20.

+1

But if you do want an amp, something like the Peavey Vypyr series is a good solution and they have headphone jacks.

A strat or Super-strat with a Humbucker in the bridge would be my choice
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Last edited by Robbgnarly at Dec 29, 2014,
#6
Also forgot to mention that if you went with the Zoom G1on & the headphones I recommended, that would leave almost £400 of your budget to get a decent quality guitar, whereas buying an amp worth having would use half your budget meaning you'd only get half the guitar you could have got.
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Super-strat with a Humbucker in the bridge would be my choice


+1

It really depends on how badly you want those dire straits tones to the exclusion of everything else- while you said they were top priority, you also said all the tiers were pretty important, so in that case (and in my opinion) i'd rather have the HSS strat/superstrat so I could make a decent fist of all of those tones you listed.

But if the dire straits thing is of utmost importance, even if it means not getting the other tones as well, then get an SSS strat.

EDIT: scratch that. Brothers in arms is a les paul. get the HSS strat. You probably won't get all of those tones out of the one guitar so you have to compromise a bit. EDIT #2: he's using the pensa suhr superstrat in that vid for BIA. So yeah, superstrat/fat strat.
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#8
I agree with Rooster on the used HRD. As a good alternative in the UK, you might also look for a good deal on a used Vox, and that will do just as well.

On the guitar front, a used HSS Strat/Stratclone- MiM Fender, Yamaha Pacifica, Fret-King Super 60, etc.- will be your best bet for Tier 1 & 2 tones. A good LP or LP clone with coil splitting might also work. It will handle your Tier 3 artists' tones better, and the splitting will do a passable job on Tier 1 & 2.

However, you seem to have edited out a comment about playing in your room through headphones. If you're only planning on playing through headphones and/or interfacing with your PC for the forseeable future, consider a portable digital modeling device like one of these (some are discontinued, can still be easily found):

Boss Micro-BR 4 track
http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=818

Boss Micro-BR 80
http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=1167

Pocket POD
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-Pocket-POD-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-104391875-i1173933.gc

Tascam GT-R1
http://tascam.com/product/gt-r1/

Korg Pandora Mini
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora-Mini-PXMINI-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-H70754-i1746466.gc

Korg Px4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvaXhaTW-B8&sns=em

Korg Pandora Stomp
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PandoraSTOr/

Korg Px5
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora-PX5D-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-104821715-i1387080.gc

Here is a visual comparison of (left to right) Tascam, my PX-5 and one of my Px4s to my old Aiwa cassette player, all resting on a 9"x12" manilla mailing envelope:



Only the Tascam has decent acoustic recording capacity. All DO have features like tuners, metronomes, drum synthesizers, and digital amp & pedal modeling.

So with decent headphones, you can rock out like you were playing Texas Stadium. And yes, they are all about the size of an old Walkman.

The ones I own: the Tascam has the external mics, a phrase trainer (loop & slow down stuff for practicing), and takes SD cards. Both it and the PX5 can connect directly to your computer via a USB port. It is less powerful than the PX5, but, oddly, the PX5 does not have a belt/strap hook.

The ones I don't own: The Line6 PocketPOD is, I believe, the most popular device like this; the Boss might be the most powerful (and priciest); the Pandora Mini is the smallest (its about the size of a stack of business cards), cheapest, and least powerful.
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#9
Forget about the amp. Go for a multi-effects and modelling processor like the Zoom, Pod or even a cheaper one like a Digitech which will allow you to spend more on a decent guitar. Buying an amp limits your tone. And if you go to rehearse or get a gig just plug it straight into the PA. The variety of different sounds you can get out of even a cheap multi-effects processor (I've personally got a Digitech RP255 and it was as cheap as chips and sounds great) is ridiculous.
#10
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Big list of stuff

You should add the Zoom G1on to that list as you post it a lot. Beats most of them for quality, has looper & drum machine, USB interface & aux input for only $40.
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