#1
Im not versified enough in amps to know whats good or bad and whats needed for home or whats to big

Im pretty deadset on a blackstar for playing black metal and stuff.
#2
Just get a used HT 5.
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Im not versified enough in amps to know whats good or bad and whats needed for home or whats to big

Im pretty deadset on a blackstar for playing black metal and stuff.



So how are you dead set on one if you said the first part? By all accounts you don't know what's good or bad so you shouldn't be 'dead set' on anything.


What's your budget, what's your gear now, what genres do you play (aside from balck metal), where are you located and will you buy used?


Best thing you can do is try out a bunch of products and find what you like. I mean physically try them too. Not YT demos and soundclouds.
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So how are you dead set on one if you said the first part? By all accounts you don't know what's good or bad so you shouldn't be 'dead set' on anything.


What's your budget, what's your gear now, what genres do you play (aside from balck metal), where are you located and will you buy used?


Best thing you can do is try out a bunch of products and find what you like. I mean physically try them too. Not YT demos and soundclouds.


Im in iowa, cant find crap besides the main stuff here. Budget 300-400$. Anything metal, nothing else

I can buy used if its trustyworthy enough. But rather buy new electronic sutff. My current gear is a Roland Cube 20x and Older model Paul allender SE with the passive pickups
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Im in iowa, cant find crap besides the main stuff here. Budget 300-400$. Anything metal, nothing else

I can buy used if its trustyworthy enough. But rather buy new electronic sutff. My current gear is a Roland Cube 20x and Older model Paul allender SE with the passive pickups



Where in Iowa around?


What kind of tones are you looking to get? Any specifics like bands etc... ? Just so we can recommend something a little closer to what you want.


If you don't mind going used. Something like a Peavey 6505 combo would be really good for heavier genres. They tend to be about 300-500 used too so it's something to look into. Might be able to grab something like a Jet City too but really it depends on what kind of sound you're looking for.


If you can find them, older peavey ultras are also pretty good for metal and tend to be cheapish.
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Where in Iowa around?


What kind of tones are you looking to get? Any specifics like bands etc... ? Just so we can recommend something a little closer to what you want.


If you don't mind going used. Something like a Peavey 6505 combo would be really good for heavier genres. They tend to be about 300-500 used too so it's something to look into. Might be able to grab something like a Jet City too but really it depends on what kind of sound you're looking for.


If you can find them, older peavey ultras are also pretty good for metal and tend to be cheapish.


Im in Des Moines

Let me pull up a few videos as examples for a tone im looking for. I really wouldnt know how to describe them

@10 seconds with the SD Blackouts 8 AHB1. That sound is really nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZYDYiOIuC8

The tone for Cradle of Filths Midian album is my main goal a nice mid bass without sound like crap. Also want to be able to get High Treble and bass without a mudding sound for metalcore.
#7
You could for sure get something like that out of a 6505 combo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMx8p5u99jg


It might be a bit out of the budget but it would probably be worth it if metal is what you're into. Although on the Iowa craigslist, somebody has one up for 380. Not sure if it's super out of the way for you or not though.


Maybe a JCA22 as well but I'm not too familiar with that amp so hopefully somebody can chime in and give more suggestions.
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You could for sure get something like that out of a 6505 combo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMx8p5u99jg


It might be a bit out of the budget but it would probably be worth it if metal is what you're into. Although on the Iowa craigslist, somebody has one up for 380. Not sure if it's super out of the way for you or not though.


Maybe a JCA22 as well but I'm not too familiar with that amp so hopefully somebody can chime in and give more suggestions.


Ive had a few people say that amp is good. I would love it at some point but right now thats out of my budget. And i dont buy of craigslist
#9
Based on your budget and sound, I would not recommend the HT-5. It isn't going to give you the heavy distortion you are looking for. There are a few solid state amps that could give you that kind of sound, within that budget, I would look at Vox VT series, Randall or something similar.
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Ive had a few people say that amp is good. I would love it at some point but right now thats out of my budget. And i dont buy of craigslist

And why not? I just bought an old upright piano for $200 that plays fantastically. You just have to be smart about it.
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And why not? I just bought an old upright piano for $200 that plays fantastically. You just have to be smart about it.


I dont trust people on craigslist. Plain and simple
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I dont trust people on craigslist. Plain and simple


Never had a musician screw me out of anything on Craigslist...that's "guitar candyland"
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Never had a musician screw me out of anything on Craigslist...that's "guitar candyland"



I agree but some people don't want to. No point forcing them even though it's a better option.


FWIW TS, a lot of the guitars and amps I've owned through the years are from things like ebay/craigslist/kijiji. I never had a problem because obviously you check everything out and test it before you commit to a purchase. That's just common sense though.
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Never had a musician screw me out of anything on Craigslist...that's "guitar candyland"


Im not refering to what they sell you. Im refering to people as people. I dont trust craigslist. After hereing people killing on it and stuff
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Im not refering to what they sell you. Im refering to people as people. I dont trust craigslist. After hereing people killing on it and stuff


Wow.
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i'm no expert, and in the grand scheme of things i don't know good gear, but i went from a cube-15 to an HT-5 and was satisfied with the leap. i'm still using it, actually. and i do play black metal. decent metal tones, black or otherwise, can certainly be dialed in without any help from pedals. but, i've always preferred using less gain rather than more.
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Never had a musician screw me out of anything on Craigslist...that's "guitar candyland"


It can be. If you know EXACTLY what you're looking for, you'll probably do fine. Novice players may get screwed over by less than honest sellers.

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#20
**** Blackstar, the dodgey c****. You're broke, in the US, and playing metal - why don't you have a 6505 of some sort already?
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#21
A Peavey 6505 is definitly the way to go for you.
If you don't like buying from craigslist check the used section of guitar center. There are a couple of 6505 combos on there for 399$
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A Peavey 6505 is definitly the way to go for you.
If you don't like buying from craigslist check the used section of guitar center. There are a couple of 6505 combos on there for 399$


Heres the thing thought a 6505 is 112w. Thats wayyy to loud for my bedroom and with other people in the house

Does peavy make a 6505 in a 60w head? I would love a head and cab over a combo but if the head cant be a lower wattage then i may as well stick with a combo amp
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Heres the thing thought a 6505 is 112w. Thats wayyy to loud for my bedroom and with other people in the house

Does peavy make a 6505 in a 60w head? I would love a head and cab over a combo but if the head cant be a lower wattage then i may as well stick with a combo amp


No. Its a 1×12 combo amp means 1 12 inch speaker. Pretty sure its 60 watts too...


The head is 120 watts


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#24
Watts don't equal volume. Use the volume knob. If it's too loud, all amps will be too loud. They're amps, after all.
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No. Its a 1×12 combo amp means 1 12 inch speaker. Pretty sure its 60 watts too...


The head is 120 watts


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I cant find a combo amp on the 6505 though. Just the 6505+. Unless im not looking in the right place

I much prefer the tone on the 6505 over the 6505+. 6505 > 6534> 6505+
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Heres the thing thought a 6505 is 112w. Thats wayyy to loud for my bedroom and with other people in the house

Yeah, but the 6505 has this novel design feature called a volume control which takes care of that problem.
Does peavy make a 6505 in a 60w head? I would love a head and cab over a combo but if the head cant be a lower wattage then i may as well stick with a combo amp

The combo has 2 speaker outputs so you can connect the amp to whatever speaker cabinet you want, just as you can with any head.

You can also very easily convert the 6505+ 112 into a head, as the entire amplifier assembly comes out of its case in one piece.
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I cant find a combo amp on the 6505 though. Just the 6505+. Unless im not looking in the right place

I much prefer the tone on the 6505 over the 6505+. 6505 > 6534> 6505+

THe difference tonally between the + and the regular version is not very significant on the high gain channel if you were to A/B the two heads. The + has the advantage of having a more usable clean channel than the regular version because the + has a bit more headroom and independent EQ controls for the clean and high gain channel, while on the regular version, the controls are only shared. THe only sacrifice you make with the + versions is that there is slightly less gain, but honestly the + has way more gain than you could ever want, so it isn't an issue whatsoever.
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#27
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Watts don't equal volume. Use the volume knob. If it's too loud, all amps will be too loud. They're amps, after all.


Then i would have to keep the volume at like 1 and its going to sound crappy becuase its not at the volume it should be at to get the best effect from it
#28
6505 212 and 5150 212. Heard they sounded different than their head versions, though. Haven't compared them myself.

1 on my 5150 212 is quite loud. But still sounds good. When I run it at whisper volumes, the volume knob tapers in a weird way and the amp just sounds like a fizzy mess. Same with my 5150 III.
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#29
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Yeah, but the 6505 has this novel design feature called a volume control which takes care of that problem.

The combo has 2 speaker outputs so you can connect the amp to whatever speaker cabinet you want, just as you can with any head.

You can also very easily convert the 6505+ 112 into a head, as the entire amplifier assembly comes out of its case in one piece.

THe difference tonally between the + and the regular version is not very significant on the high gain channel if you were to A/B the two heads. The + has the advantage of having a more usable clean channel than the regular version because the + has a bit more headroom and independent EQ controls for the clean and high gain channel, while on the regular version, the controls are only shared. THe only sacrifice you make with the + versions is that there is slightly less gain, but honestly the + has way more gain than you could ever want, so it isn't an issue whatsoever.


I read up on that. Ive watched vids comparing the 2. I still prefer the 6505 tone over the +

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6505 212 and 5150 212. Heard they sounded different than their head versions, though. Haven't compared them myself.

1 on my 5150 212 is quite loud. But still sounds good. When I run it at whisper volumes, the volume knob tapers in a weird way and the amp just sounds like a fizzy mess. Same with my 5150 III.


So do you like that sound with your volume at low?
#30
At quiet, whisper volumes. No. But sometimes I don't have a choice. 1 sounds great to me. Just enough to really get the speakers moving and it is the highest I can push it before I need to put ear plugs in.
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Then i would have to keep the volume at like 1 and its going to sound crappy becuase its not at the volume it should be at to get the best effect from it

This is the case with some amps, such as wanting to get an overdriven tone from something like a Marshall Plexi, but not so much with the 6505's. The preamp is what gives the vast, vast majority of the amp's saturation and compression, so the amp is going to sound relatively similar at bedroom volumes than it will on stage volumes.
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#32
out of around 13 or 14 tube amps i ownat this moment, do only two (the splawns) couldn't do quiet. 5150's are fine. i am not an EE, but IIRC ten times the wattage is twice as loud. i have owned a lot of the little heads and regretted it. so just dial it in and you will be fine.
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#34
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used--Peavey--6505-Plus-120W--Black-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-110187622-i3778673.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used-Peavey-EVH-5150-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-110783891-i4110993.gc

Watch used listings for these two amps.

Keep in mind the tubes will most likely need to be replaced. Mine arrived with power tubes that didn't have much life left in them.
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http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used--Peavey--6505-Plus-120W--Black-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-110187622-i3778673.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Peavey-Used-Peavey-EVH-5150-Tube-Guitar-Combo-Amp-110783891-i4110993.gc

Watch used listings for these two amps.

Keep in mind the tubes will most likely need to be replaced. Mine arrived with power tubes that didn't have much life left in them.


Hm for that price, i could just buy a new 6505+ 112 new and not have to worry about buying used.
#36
You could do that, yup. Music Go Round has some for $400 used, before tax/shipping.
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You could do that, yup. Music Go Round has some for $400 used, before tax/shipping.


Are the 6505 hard to find or Discontinued? i see plenty of the plus versions
#38
I think the 6505 212 are discontinued. Stores stopped listing them. The 5150 212 and 6505 212 are made in the US while the 6505+ 112 is made in China, IIRC. I'm guessing the 212 wasn't selling very well since it's so easy to get one used.
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