#1
Hello everyone,

I'm thinking about buying new gear and i've been researching for the last few months, but i can't really make a decision.

I will, at least for some time, mainly play at bedroom volumes, but i wouldn't like to buy something that would prevent me from rehearsing or even play live eventually.

The main kind of music i will be playing is Metal (all sorts of it) and hard rock stuff, but i want have versatility, because sometimes i like to play other stuff too, and a good lead sound is also something i would like to have.

I've been reading stuff about blackstar (series one heads/combo and ht-metal 60) and also about ENGL Powerball 2. From what i've been reading and hearing, i think the powerball 2 would be a great choice, but besides beeing a bit expensive, i'm concerned that at bedroom level the sound might be disapointing.

I'm open to any kind of suggestion, even if it's one that doesn't really allow me to play live.

At this moment i have a Line 6 Flextone III 2x12 XL, but it doesn't work too well (looses gain randomly) and i don't really enjoy it's sound...

Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!
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#3
Also could ya give us some examples of bands/albums/songs you wanna sound like in particular?
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#5
Sorry for not giving those details guys, i'm in Portugal... I didn't decide what my budget is, but the amps i've been reading about go from 1000€ to 2200€ (the more expensive is the powerball + engl 2x12).

Thanks!
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Also could ya give us some examples of bands/albums/songs you wanna sound like in particular?


Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, Metallica... I don't want to have a "metal exclusive" amp, as i said before, sometimes i like to play different stuff, and i would like to have a good lead and versatile lead sound...
#7
^ I'd get a used mark V with an orange PPC212 or a mesa rectifier 2x12.
If you can't get your hands on a used mark V for that money, then a rectoverb or a tremverb's gotta do it.
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If you like Engl the Ironball is soposed to be a great low-powered alternative and should work in a band situation
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Just curious, since you're in Europe, wouldn't a used ENGL SE E670 be a good buy, too? Incredible amp and so easy to dial even with all the knobs. Takes 6L6s or EL34s and the MIDI feature works well with most brands.


I would love to buy the SE, but the head alone costs about 3000€...

It's way too expensive, unfortunately!
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If you like Engl the Ironball is soposed to be a great low-powered alternative and should work in a band situation


I thought about it, but i don't really like the idea of a 2 channel amp...
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I thought about it, but i don't really like the idea of a 2 channel amp...


I would definitely go Engl; I thought Engl prices were supposed to be better in EU, but it sounds like theyre about the same. If you can find a used Powerball II (ive seen them as low as $1400 here) that will be very versatile and is 4 (almost dedicated) channels. Itll nail KSE no problem. I use my powerball v1 for it. For a cab, I think the Engl cabs look awesome but are ******edly overpriced. I see non-engl 2x12 and 4x12 v30 loaded cabs for under $400 all the time.

So- i summary, if I were you, I would try to find a used Powerball II and any used v30 cab. That would probably put you right at 2000
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I would definitely go Engl; I thought Engl prices were supposed to be better in EU, but it sounds like theyre about the same. If you can find a used Powerball II (ive seen them as low as $1400 here) that will be very versatile and is 4 (almost dedicated) channels. Itll nail KSE no problem. I use my powerball v1 for it. For a cab, I think the Engl cabs look awesome but are ******edly overpriced. I see non-engl 2x12 and 4x12 v30 loaded cabs for under $400 all the time.

So- i summary, if I were you, I would try to find a used Powerball II and any used v30 cab. That would probably put you right at 2000


The only doubt i have about the Powerball II is the way it'll sound at bedroom volume...
#14
A powerball II won't sound like limb of god nor like killswitch engage nor like metallica if ya ask me.
Too tight and the EQ shape is different.

It won't sound worse than any other amp at low volumes though.
The fact that big amps sound worse at low volumes is half a myth - it's true, but it has nothing to do with the fact that said amps are big, as small amps (anything really) sounds better to humans at higher volumes, up to the point where it starts hurting us.
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A powerball II won't sound like limb of god nor like killswitch engage nor like metallica if ya ask me.
Too tight and the EQ shape is different.

It won't sound worse than any other amp at low volumes though.
The fact that big amps sound worse at low volumes is half a myth - it's true, but it has nothing to do with the fact that said amps are big, as small amps (anything really) sounds better to humans at higher volumes, up to the point where it starts hurting us.


The Mark V you suggested would be better for that, but it's also more expensive, even if i try to buy a used one...
None the less, it sounds awesome...
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A powerball II won't sound like limb of god nor like killswitch engage nor like metallica if ya ask me.
Too tight and the EQ shape is different.

It won't sound worse than any other amp at low volumes though.
The fact that big amps sound worse at low volumes is half a myth - it's true, but it has nothing to do with the fact that said amps are big, as small amps (anything really) sounds better to humans at higher volumes, up to the point where it starts hurting us.


Yea, it will sound great at low volume. I cant comment on Lamb of God tone because i dont listen to them, but you can get KSE no problem. Their tone is pretty tight if you ask me.. they do the whole "boosted with TS, and v30 metalcore thing" so that basically yields you a tight tone in the end. Spambot has more knowledge than me for sure; but I have to say, I have gotten great KSE sounding tones (even at low volume) out of my powerball. Obviously, they (atleast) double track their recorded tones, so you have to take that into consideration. As for metallica; probably not. I never really tried. But doesnt James use Diezel now? And the Engl is a German amp also sooo.. (im stretching) mark V would probably suit ALL of your bands' tones better as suggested by others. But PBii is a great amp imo, and may fit your budget better
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#17
I thought the issue with Mesa in Europe is the jacked up prices that the dealers charge. It'll be awesome if you can find a used one for a decent price.

With your 2200€ budget, I'm sure some folks familiar with the pricing there can recommend something really nice.
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If you have a computer and some sort of interface to plug a guitar in (a Rocksmith Cable or you can get an unbranded interface for about $20-$30 USD) you can try out Peavey ReValver software.

They have a PowerBall II emulation called Angel. It will get you close to see if those are the tones you're looking for. You can use all sorts of different cabinets (you need to figure out what speakers they have in them - but the Angel Pro and Flathill 4x12 are V30s).

Just an idea before you drop that kind of money. It may work well for your bedroom playing and you can spend more later when you play out.

I use ReValver with some good studio headphones for silent practice and it's really sweet.
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As for metallica; probably not. I never really tried. But doesnt James use Diezel now? And the Engl is a German amp also sooo.. (im stretching)
Up to a point, yes
But the herbert is a lot drier and angrier, and james' still using a mark V mostly IIRC.
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But PBii is a great amp imo, and may fit your budget better
That I can't but agree with - will probably not nail all of these tones but it's a hell of a good amp if ya ask me.
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With your 2200€ budget, I'm sure some folks familiar with the pricing there can recommend something really nice.
I don't really know about portugal, but I can find mark V's for €1800 any day, sometimes even less.
So maybe have a better look at your used market and see if you can find something?
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They have a PowerBall II emulation called Angel. It will get you close to see if those are the tones you're looking for.
While it's not a bad idea to suggest amp sims here imo, these amp sims can give you an approximate idea of how things sound in real life, but I really wouldn't buy an amp that expensive only 'cause an amp sim based on that sounded good.

To each his own though
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^ I'd get a used mark V with an orange PPC212 or a mesa rectifier 2x12.
If you can't get your hands on a used mark V for that money, then a rectoverb or a tremverb's gotta do it.


or a MKIV. i love mine. $680 for a long head. sweet deal. just keep in mind that none of the Mark's aren't extremely high gain, a boost will sweeten things up.

do you guys get fryette at all?

but the engl would be damn nice too. i haven't played the powerball II though.
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#22
Amp sims are awesome. But if I had TS' budget, I would definitely invest in one of the amps recommended in this thread. I love amp sims, but they dont really take the place of a good analog setup (and vice-versa). I definitely dont get the same sort of satisfaction out of both. But hey- the amp sims are cheap and quality enough that the TS could use them to help narrow down which amp might be best for him but your best bet is to go out, tinker and play with these amps
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#23
At bedroom volumes, an ENGL isn't going to do much for you, sorry.

I moved to modelers because I can strap on the headphones and blast to tinnitus-inducing levels and have essentially the same sounds that I'm going to get feeding it to a serious PA system or a powered speaker setup. The only thing I won't get is my pants flapping.
#24
I thought about some kind of modeler too, the thing is that i don't know if there is one that would give the satisfaction i want to have when i play...