#1
So I'm saving up for my next guitar and I've decided that I want it to be a hollow body. I've narrowed it down to two guitars - The Epiphone ES-339 and Casino Coupe. This is mostly due to their useful size. I am still yet to try/hear them, so my biggest question is concerning the pickups. The choice lies in the sound - Do I want Humbuckers or P90s? Well my current guitar (My main guitar, and will continue to be the main after this purchase) is a Fender Stratocaster, which obviously has single coils. But from what I hear, P90s are essentially single coil pickups. On the other hand, the humbuckers have a 'split coil' feature which lets them achieve a 'single coil' sound when activated. So in summary I have these questions:

•How similar do P90s sound to Strat single coils?

•How similar does the 'single coil' function on the ES-339 sound to P90s?
#2
P90's and single coils are still pretty varied, and the ones in the casino will sound considerably different than the strat.


The function of the ES-339 is actually a coil tap, not a split. This means instead of splitting the coil, it just takes down the output of the pickups making it seem weaker like your average single coil. Again, sounds considerably different.


Don't make the purchase based upon the single coil sound. Just worry about Humbucker vs P90's and the neck feel.
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Quote by JustRooster
P90's and single coils are still pretty varied, and the ones in the casino will sound considerably different than the strat.


The function of the ES-339 is actually a coil tap, not a split. This means instead of splitting the coil, it just takes down the output of the pickups making it seem weaker like your average single coil. Again, sounds considerably different.


Don't make the purchase based upon the single coil sound. Just worry about Humbucker vs P90's and the neck feel.


Thanks for clearing that up for me I plan on trying one out as soon as I can (Either when a local shop gets one or when I visit Denmark street). It's safe to say though, they're beautiful guitars!
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Quote by matthewdavidlee
So I'm saving up for my next guitar and I've decided that I want it to be a hollow body.


Why? That's not a snarky question; just wondered why you're thinking that direction.

FWIW, with bodies that small, the "hollow" business simply doesn't contribute all that much to the sound. Many Gibson Les Pauls are "chambered" these days (essentially hollowed out) for weight reduction. Where the "hollow" guitar is actually a "semi-hollow" with a maple block in the center to make mounting pickups and bridges easier, there's even less difference.


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•How similar do P90s sound to Strat single coils?

•How similar does the 'single coil' function on the ES-339 sound to P90s?


1. Not very

2. Not very

Here's one other consideration: all single coils like the strat pickups and the P90s exhibit some noise from radio frequency interference, etc. emanating from nearby electric motors, neon signs, etc. Humbuckers were designed to provide increased output while eliminating most of those noises.
#6
The push-pull pots on the 339 aren't really going to get you a great p-90/single coil sound. If you want p-90 tone get the guitar with the p-90's. If it were me, I'd get the Casino Coupe, it is a true hollowbody which you stated you wanted, and IMHO at least one of those push/pull pots on the 339 will probably break pretty soon after purchase.
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Why? That's not a snarky question; just wondered why you're thinking that direction.


I wanted something that could give out a different sound to my Strat, and also something I can use for different tunings. Of course I could pull that wooden-block-behind-the-bridge trick for the latter, but I don't really fancy that. I considered a Telecaster (Because I'm a Fender sort of guy), but for numerous reasons I would like to pay £500-£600 for a good Tele, and I'm far from obtaining that sort of money. This left me down to P90s and Humbuckers, and I figured that if I want to play P90s or Humbuckers, I may as well do it in style! So I looked around and I found the Epiphone Casino Coupe and ES-339 the most appealing 'hollow' bodies.
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p90s generally sound as different from strat single coils as humbuckers do. So I wouldn't choose based on the fact that you already have a strat.
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One last question for you all:

How would you describe the difference between P90s and Humbuckers?


it very much depends on the specific models you're looking at.

as a very rough generalisation, though (i.e. possibly oversimplification), p90s sound a bit rawer/less smooth, humbuckers seem to have a bit tighter bass, and p90s have single coil noise (as dspellman rightly said). they're both in the same ballpark tonally, to my ears- a lot warmer- and thicker-sounding than strat-style single coils. Lower output p90s sound a bit closer to Fender-style single coils, though (but still pretty "Gibsony").
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#13
Ok so... disclosure...I know nothing about guitars! with that said, i've been playing the ukulele for a while, an Epiphone Less Paul...and now I want to mingle with the big brother! So not knowing anything about guitars I've done some research and staying somewhat loyal to the brand I was looking at the ES-339 Pro, the ES-339 Pro P90 and the Casino Coupe. So the question is, as a beginner which one of these would you go for?

I read some of the comments and have learned a bit from my research. I guess from the functionality purpose the 339 Pro would give me the most flexibility (in the sense of different combinations of tones) and from the "acoustic" point of view the Casino Coupe would be the more resonant but the 339 P90 is the least expensive of the three (at least thats what I have found)

So for you guys with experience, which one would you go with and recommend to a beginner. I understand there are many options but don't want to get into the .."why not this other or that" so lets say for this discussion these are the only models in the guitar universe ;-)
#14
Please make a new thread. Hijacking an old one with a different question isn't as effective at getting you help!