Returning ISIS fighters to get free jobs and therapy in.........Sweden!

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#2
Brilliant.

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#3
Isn't that the same place that also gives serial killers free apartments or is that norway?
#4
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Norway is pretty lax when it comes to murderers, especially sentencing. Still a pretty rad country from what i've read.
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Norway is pretty lax when it comes to murderers, especially sentencing. Still a pretty rad country from what i've read.

I'd say that 20 years away from freedom isn't exactly lax. If they're unlikely to return to prison, why waste money on keeping them locked up, just to suit some people's thirst for vengance?
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#11
There goes my intentions to visit Sweden...
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#12
You do realize that some of them think that going is a good idea, and don't realize their mistake until they see what's actually happening on the ground in IS controlled areas?


Alienating them when they return is probably only going to radicalize them more.


Obviously there are those that come back with bad intentions, but it's naive to assume all of them are coming back to cause problems.
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I'd say that 20 years away from freedom isn't exactly lax. If they're unlikely to return to prison, why waste money on keeping them locked up, just to suit some people's thirst for vengance?

But then how will folks in the prison industry ever make a comfortable career? Who will all those therapists have to deal with now? Normal folk? Ugh... that's not as exciting as the TV dramas. All that schooling, all that training... just to realize that if you want to make real change, you've gotta deal with the same folks that you were trying to distance yourself from in adolescence - not the hideously wretched select few that are the sources for books, shows, and movies. Oh the ego involved in sincerely believing you can comprehend the mind of another (or that you can understand the mind of camera-famous killers).
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I hope this works to de-radicalize people but I really feel like it won't be very effective.



I think it mostly will depend on their reason for returning. If they returned to cause trouble, no it probably won't do much. If they came back because they didn't like the experience, I don't see why they can't be helped.
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You do realize that some of them think that going is a good idea, and don't realize their mistake until they see what's actually happening on the ground in IS controlled areas?


Alienating them when they return is probably only going to radicalize them more.


Obviously there are those that come back with bad intentions, but it's naive to assume all of them are coming back to cause problems.

Thank god the mods here actually have a good head on their shoulders.

Why would someone voluntarily leave ISIS to go to prison?

Isn't it the best passive solution just to make your country better just to prove how shitty a Muslim caliphate would be?
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Thank god the mods here actually have a good head on their shoulders.

Why would someone voluntarily leave ISIS to go to prison?

Isn't it the best passive solution just to make your country better just to prove how shitty a Muslim caliphate would be?


Why are they leaving such a great country in the first place?
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Why are they leaving such a great country in the first place?

Cause they don't know how good they have it. They think they feel alienated cause everyone is always hating on the muslims, but once they go to their "paradise" they quickly realize how shit it is there. In the netherlands we had a couple of them come back already saying how they hated it there. I think they are in jail though atm.
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#20
I feel like this is mostly a non-issue.

The entire project I predict will be a nonstarter and more or less fail due to a variety of reasons, and clearly will not have any legitimate impact on the considerable problem that is the growing IS organization.

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You do realize that some of them think that going is a good idea, and don't realize their mistake until they see what's actually happening on the ground in IS controlled areas?


Alienating them when they return is probably only going to radicalize them more.

Why the FUCK should they even be allowed back in to begin with? Anyone caught trying to come back should be shot in the face at the border.

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Why the FUCK should they even be allowed back in to begin with? Anyone caught trying to come back should be shot in the face at the border.

Cause not everyone has killed someone there?
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Cause not everyone has killed someone there?

What difference does that make?

These are worthless POS that leech off of the benefits of an actual civilized society and then decides to show their gratitude by wanting to destroy/degrade it. They should be executed on principal.

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What difference does that make?

These are worthless POS that leech off of the benefits of an actual civilized society and then decides to show their gratitude by wanting to destroy/degrade it. They should be executed on principal.

I see that you are not part of our civilized society or else you wouldn't want to execute everyone. Executing people on principal is what China and Isis do, not civilized countries.
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I see that you are not part of our civilized society or else you wouldn't want to execute everyone. Executing people on principal is what China and Isis do, not civilized countries.

lol China has a very sizeable muslim population. The last time they tried that shit they were all executed within a year. That's why they don't try that shit anymore.

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lol China has a very sizeable muslim population. The last time they tried that shit they were all executed within a year. That's why they don't try that shit anymore.

Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't talking about muslims in China, but about China itself. The chinese government and its laws are HORRIBLE.
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Thank you for proving my point. I wasn't talking about muslims in China, but about China itself. The chinese government and its laws are HORRIBLE.

That's cool man. Have fun gettin blown up by all those ISIS lovers in the netherlands.

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Who will all those therapists have to deal with now? Normal folk?

seeing as less than 6% of psychologists work in prisons, yes.
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Cause they don't know how good they have it. They think they feel alienated cause everyone is always hating on the muslims, but once they go to their "paradise" they quickly realize how shit it is there. In the netherlands we had a couple of them come back already saying how they hated it there. I think they are in jail though atm.



Some dude on Real Time made a really interesting argument along these lines. He thinks that since Muslims believe that the Koran is the divine word of god and that Islamic law is what creates a perfect society that the fact that so many Islamic nations are total shitholes compared to infidel nations really angers a lot of Muslims. If their law is perfect, why do their countries suck so hard?
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#33
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That's cool man. Have fun gettin blown up by all those ISIS lovers in the netherlands.

I am in favor of taking away their Dutch nationality and not letting them into Europe again (unless they get jailed). I think killing them would make us as bad as them. I personally would like to protect our liberal societies, but not by giving up what is essential to our society which is after all that we don't kill people who think different from us.
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#34
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we don't kill people who think differently from us.

No such society has ever existed.

Edit: ...and if they've ever tried to come into existence, they're quickly wiped out by others who find them to be sitting ducks in a battlefield.
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No such society has ever existed.

Edit: ...and if they've ever tried to come into existence, they're quickly wiped out by others who find them to be sitting ducks in a battlefield.

Did I make a grammatical error? Cause ISIS does kill everyone that has different ideals?
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Did I make a grammatical error? Cause ISIS does kill everyone that has different ideals?

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but not by giving up what is essential to our society

What exactly is "our" society? The West? We've got a pretty extensive track record of imperialism and death under our belts. There's nothing rosy about white people.
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I feel like this is mostly a non-issue.

Right wing people getting worked up about a non-issue.

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#38
except their cute rosy cheeks when its cold


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What exactly is "our" society? The West? We've got a pretty extensive track record of imperialism and death under our belts. There's nothing rosy about white people.

The **** does history have to do with our values now? And with the West i exclude the USA, cause they are not a civilized country.
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The **** does history have to do with our values now? And with the West i exclude the USA, cause they are not a civilized country.

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