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#1
Recently I decided to upgrade my equipment(Peavey Blazer 128 40 watt amp),(Jay Turser replica Les Paul).I was thinking to upgrade my guitar because of the bad action of the neck and buzzing I also have a distortion pedal and I thought I would get a heavier tone.But then a friend told me to get an amp instead as it would make a bigger difference,and as I play mostly Metallica and occasionally Megadeth get EMGS with the amp.But what's a good amp that would match with emgs and give a good Metal tone?.I was thinking to get a Blackstar ht100t with a 2x12cab OR a Line 6 spider 4.
#3
Don't get a Line 6 Spider, whatever you do.
Do you want a new guitar? Or are you asking whether you should put EMGs in your Jay Turser?
If I were you, I'd uprgrade your whole guitar, putting EMGs in your LP copy will sound terrible through your amp. That being said you'll definitely want to upgrade your amp.

There's a massive difference between the Blackstar and the Line 6. The Blackstar is a 100 watt tube head and the Line 6 is SS and, according to most people around here, garbage.

What's your budget? current gear? preferences?
Also, please read this: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1497696
#4
I'd upgrade the amp, and use the spare cash to upgrade your guitar, I have a Vintage V100 Les Paul which I put EMGs in and properly set up and it plays nicer than every epiphone I've played, and brand new it was only £180
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#5
Jet City makes affordable combos in 50 and 100 watts. They're essentially the Squier of Soldano, but they get fantastic reviews and are really affordable.

Blackstar makes great amps for someone who needs a lot of gain at low volumes, but still wants tubes so they can crank it out at shows. Everyone in GG&A hates them because they're false advertising (which isn't untrue, but I feel like they discount the whole amp as a result). The front end of the amp isn't entirely tube, because of the ISF stuff. However, the HT series is really solid for the reasons I mentioned. The cleans are okay, but the gain is very Marshall-esque.

I used to think Blackstar was iffy only because of UG, and then the shop I worked at started carrying them, and it changed my mind. I'm a pretty big believer in their applications. You can't just be one of those "oh my god it's not all tubes!" blues lawyers, which you definitely don't sound like.
#6
My budget is 1500$ and what I'm thinking to do is get a blackstar ht50 and zakk wylde emgs to upgrade my guitar.What do you guys think and what would you guys say about line 6 spider 4 jam 75watt.Also explain to me the difference in using emgs with a tube vs ss
#7
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Blackstar makes great amps for someone who needs a lot of gain at low volumes, but still wants tubes so they can crank it out at shows. Everyone in GG&A hates them because they're false advertising (which isn't untrue, but I feel like they discount the whole amp as a result). The front end of the amp isn't entirely tube, because of the ISF stuff. However, the HT series is really solid for the reasons I mentioned. The cleans are okay, but the gain is very Marshall-esque.

I used to think Blackstar was iffy only because of UG, and then the shop I worked at started carrying them, and it changed my mind. I'm a pretty big believer in their applications. You can't just be one of those "oh my god it's not all tubes!" blues lawyers, which you definitely don't sound like.


A fair amount of the power amp isn't all-tube either (if you consider the PI to be in the power amp).

But I've said before, it's maybe not worth biting off your nose to spite your face if you like them.

As I've said before, I haven't tried the HT, but I tried the artisan (which is all-tube) and I wasn't much fussed. I think that's before I knew about the shenanigans too, but I could be misremembering.
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#8
Upgrade the amp. Either get the Blackstar, or try out some Jet City amps. With that budget, maybe check out some Peavys. The 5150 is really popular with the high gain crowd, and a used one will be well within that budget.
Play your new amp, then decide if you really need the EMGs or not. Putting the EMGs in the guitar won't instantly give you the "Master of Puppets" distortion tone.
If your having neck issues and buzzing with the guitar, try a setup.

You may initially like the Spider 4 amp, but you will slowly get tired of the tone. Don't waste your money on that one.
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A fair amount of the power amp isn't all-tube either (if you consider the PI to be in the power amp).

But I've said before, it's maybe not worth biting off your nose to spite your face if you like them.

As I've said before, I haven't tried the HT, but I tried the artisan (which is all-tube) and I wasn't much fussed. I think that's before I knew about the shenanigans too, but I could be misremembering.

I have an HT Soloist 60. Tried it out mainly against a DSL40, and(for me, anyway), there was no contest. The Blackstar sounded better from the start(everything except volumes at 12 o'clock), and fine-tuning the sound wasn't the struggle it was with the Marshall.

Like everything else, try if you can TS, and make up your own mind.
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#10
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Recently I decided to upgrade my equipment(Peavey Blazer 128 40 watt amp),(Jay Turser replica Les Paul).I was thinking to upgrade my guitar because of the bad action of the neck and buzzing I also have a distortion pedal and I thought I would get a heavier tone.But then a friend told me to get an amp instead as it would make a bigger difference,and as I play mostly Metallica and occasionally Megadeth get EMGS with the amp.But what's a good amp that would match with emgs and give a good Metal tone?.I was thinking to get a Blackstar ht100t with a 2x12cab OR a Line 6 spider 4.


Quite the conundrum. Bad action and neck buzzing on the guitar can probably be fixed by a tech. Start with that because it will make your decision easier.

If you're guitar simply can't be salvaged by a proper setup - then get a new guitar. There's no point in playing a guitar with bad action and buzzing - eliminating that should be your first priority.

If you're guitar can be salvaged and isn't a lemon - then get a new amp. In this scenario - do not get the Line 6 Spider - get the Blackstar or another metal tube amp.
#11
I don't really think the action is gonna be fixed not a major problem because I got the guitar for 170$ 3 years ago the same price I got the wah pedal last year.Anyways why won't I get the Master of puppets tone with emgs through a blackstar? basically I need James's live tone and something that sounds clearer and sharper whenever I play Holy wars, also want a good shredding tone.There that's almost the perfect sound I'm looking for.
#12
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I don't really think the action is gonna be fixed not a major problem because I got the guitar for 170$ 3 years ago the same price I got the wah pedal last year.Anyways why won't I get the Master of puppets tone with emgs through a blackstar? basically I need James's live tone and something that sounds clearer and sharper whenever I play Holy wars, also want a good shredding tone.There that's almost the perfect sound I'm looking for.


I didn't mean anything by that. There's a lot of people who believe that a new "aggressive" pickup means instant brutal distortion. Remember, he's using thousands of dollars worth of amps on stage.
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Like a lot of artists we'll look at on Signature Tones, Hetfield uses multiple amps in his live rig. The one constant is his clean sound, which comes from a Roland Jazz Chorus JC-120. His dirty sound varies by era. In the early days (Kill Em All and Ride the Lightning), he used Marshall 100W heads (typically modified SLP/JMP 1959s) boosted using either a Proco Rat or an Ibanez Tube Screamer pedal; however, Hetfield has mentioned in interviews that he was never completely happy with that sound and that he feels that distortion should come from the amp rather than pedals. In the classic era (Master of Puppets through Metallica), Hetfield used the preamp of a Mesa/Boogie Mk. IIC+ driving the power section of a Marshall 100W head. In the late '90s (Load through S&M), Hetfield used a mix of Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier Solo and Wizard Modern Classic heads in the studio and a Mesa/Boogie Triaxis/Strategy 400 rack system (which can do both Mk. IIC+ and Recto sounds) live. In the modern era (St. Anger and after), he uses a Diezel VH4 head in addition to his Mesa Triaxis system.


(Hetfield's current live rig could deliver over 1200W of audio power if all the backups were engaged! To put that in perspective, most of the bands I've played in had less audio power than that for their PA...)

You know, you've got a nice budget. Maybe look at used Mesa heads too. A dual rectifier may not be far out of your grasp.
I switched to passives a while ago, myself. But as EMG goes, the Wylde set is nice, but James used to use an EMG 81/60 combo. He has the Het Set now, maybe look at that too.
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#13
#14
Definitely the amp.
Good guitar+shit amp=Shit sound
Good amp+shit guitar=decent sound
Shit amp+shit guitar=Grade A shit sound
Good amp+good guitar=Grade A good sound

Mesa Mark V or a Randall RM. Combo or Head+cab, your choice.
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#15
What exactly would an od pedal do and what does boosting the amp mean? Other than that I'm not going to order stuff online as I am already gonna travel to Dubai to get the stuff and 1500 is like almost all of my savings from college,so I have to play and know,I'd have to stick with a crappy amplifier for 5 years If I don't like it after ordering it online(there are less instruments and amps here in Pakistan)which I won't be able to trade.And so I trust my ears but I've heard alot of complains of both the blackstar and the line 6 even though both of them have a crap load of features.That's what I'm curious about.
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What exactly would an od pedal do and what does boosting the amp mean? Other than that I'm not going to order stuff online as I am already gonna travel to Dubai to get the stuff and 1500 is like almost all of my savings from college,so I have to play and know,I'd have to stick with a crappy amplifier for 5 years If I don't like it after ordering it online(there are less instruments and amps here in Pakistan)which I won't be able to trade.And so I trust my ears but I've heard alot of complains of both the blackstar and the line 6 even though both of them have a crap load of features.That's what I'm curious about.

Boosting the amp with an overdrive pedal means just pushing it a bit further. Giving it a bit more gain whilst still keeping things nice.
An od pedal(overdrive) makes that boosting possible.
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#17
Upgrading the amp would definitely give you a better sound, but what good would that do you if your guitar isnt fun to play. So i suggest you upgrade both since your budget if fairly good. A used Peavey 6505 could be found at around 600-700 on ebay or craigslist sometimes even cheaper. thats a close Metallica sound. The blackstar ht100/60/50/40 (dont know why the hell they have so many versions of the same amp -_-) has always sounded more like a hard rock amp to me, but its got a way better clean tone than the 6505 and decent amount of gain. Either is better than a spider 4.

you will have enough money left over for a good guitar. EMGs/passive, meh, its a matter of choice. I like the EMG 81tw/89 set on the schecter hellraiser guitars which are great guitars. I also like duncans on most guitars. There are hundreds of options where the best option is usually the one you try out before you buy.

One thing for sure though, avoid the floyd.
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#18
Tone isn't everything. If your guitar just doesn't feel good to play, it doesn't matter how good or bad it sounds.

I would say get both a guitar and an amp. If you have $1500 to spend, you can get a decent amp and a guitar.
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#19
I've got the little Blackstar Ht5 and can vouch for its quality. The metal versions of the HT series might be more your speed. My only question is do you really need a 100 watt amp? If you're in a band then fine but if this is for home use it's going to be insanely loud.

As others have said you can get both an amp and guitar with that budget. You can get a good asian made tube amp and cab for $600-$800 or get a US made Peavey 6150 combo for $400-$500. You should have enough for a pretty good LTD or Schecter that come with EMGs.
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#20
Disclaimer: I used to play metal, but no longer do. However, I feel that this is good general advice - some of it is repeated from above, and I'll need people to expand on some things. Thanks.

If it were me, I'd do the following steps in the following order:

Step 1: Get your guitar set up to minimize its current issues. Like an above poster said, this is necessary. It might not fix everything to the point that you want to keep it, but you need it in good condition for Step 2.

Step 2: Research and test amps. Youtube is your friend - watch reviews and demos. Go to Guitar Center and ask to use an amp in one of their soundproof rooms (for the love of God, don't crank the thing on the floor).

Marshalls: Will be expensive and hard to find a deal on. They generally do well with almost anything, but you'd be making quite the commitment.

Mesa Boogie: Probably your best possible choice for metal. Or rock. Or anything except maybe country. Love these amps. Again, expensive and hard to find for a good price. If you can get a good deal on one, jump on it.

5150/6505: I own a 6505+ so this is something I know about. These are pure metal amps, with tons of gain built in. Clean sound on these is meh.

Blackstar: I've only ever used these in store, but they get great reviews and are actually quite versatile.

As to how big, forget 100 watt amps or full stacks. If you bring one to practice, your bandmates will kill you. Bring one to a show that isn't an outdoor arena/festival, and you'll never get asked back. My 6505+ is 60 watts and that might even be too much. 50-60 watts will do you just fine. Large amps will power scaling will be fine, as long as you have something like a half-power option.

Step 3: Purchase your amp. Having tried it out somewhere, you'll know what it should sound like. Scour your local craigslist looking for deals. You'll probably even be able to find people on this forum with something for sale.

Step 4: Having purchased your amp, try it out with your current guitar. Do you like the sound? Is the guitar comfortable? If you don't need a new guitar, a set of decent pickups is next. EMGs aren't my thing (no longer a metal player), but if that's what you like, then by all means. Once again, use the internet to find a guitar that has them installed from the factory, and go to Guitar Center to noodle on them for a while.

Step 5: Still want/need a new guitar? Take stock of your remaining budget, and subtract $200 (the cost of an EMG set plus installation). Then go back to Guitar Center and see what feels comfortable for you. If you already play a Les Paul copy, then 24.75" scale is good to start with. But just about any guitar has models which would accept humbucker-sized pickups.

Happy hunting! And don't spend the entire $1500 if you aren't in a band playing gigs. That's wayyy too much for bedroom playing.
#21
I am pretty used to the guitar I own and I plan on changing it next christmas because of the bad playability I might get an epi zakk wylde the active emgs version.Second thing is,Mesa,Randall or even Peavey cannot be bought because they
aren't available,I can get an orange,marshall,blackstar,yamaha and line 6 amp.The Marshall is too expensive an I'd rather look at other options leaving line 6 and blackstar.But the only thing that confuses me is the emg's part whether I should upgrade my guitar with emgs or not.My guitar is too damn muddy for metal without the distortion pedal but there still is a lot of muddiness after the pedal.Therefore I thought getting emgs installed would be a good improvement.And yes I play in a band where a 10 watt amp is louder than my setup.If I turn the volume up then I have a squealing sound and everybody gets irritated.I'm gonna go with 50 watts because I mostly play inside my room and sometimes jam with friends or an outdoor gig.But when I'm alone anything past 11 o clock becomes too loud.So guys tell me If you think this is fine.
#22
Try moving the pickups a little closer to the strings, then see if it's still muddy. This can be done during the setup you are going to get done.
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#23
The wattage doesn't really matter. Some 100 watt amps sound great at any volume. Some 20 watt amps sound crap at low volumes. Get a low wattage amp if you want to achieve power amp distortion (which metal doesn't rely on) at reasonable levels. Amps have volume controls for a reason. 100 watts isn't an overkill if you can use the volume control (also, it's not that much louder than a 50 watt amp - both are very loud when cranked and both can be turned down). Today nobody has to crank up their 100 watt amp, because at gigs you are most of the time going to be miced, which pretty much means any amp would work (you just need to be able to hear yourself - which of course can also be achieved with monitors). You don't really even need an amp if you are gigging (a multi FX pedal works too).

If you play in a band and want clean tones, the more watts, the better (that will allow you to turn the volume up and still have clean tones). 50 watts should be enough for almost anything (unless you have a super loud drummer - but in that case I would just tell the drummer to learn to play more quietly). It can get loud and you still have your clean tones. But if you are not going to play in a band, the wattage doesn't really matter. You aren't going to be able to crank any amp in your bedroom (unless you are Cath).

If you are a bedroom player, don't pay attention to the wattage. Just listen to how the amp sounds at bedroom levels. As I said, some 100 watt amps can sound great at bedroom levels. Amps have volume controls for a reason.

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I am pretty used to the guitar I own and I plan on changing it next christmas because of the bad playability I might get an epi zakk wylde the active emgs version.Second thing is,Mesa,Randall or even Peavey cannot be bought because they
aren't available,I can get an orange,marshall,blackstar,yamaha and line 6 amp.The Marshall is too expensive an I'd rather look at other options leaving line 6 and blackstar.But the only thing that confuses me is the emg's part whether I should upgrade my guitar with emgs or not.My guitar is too damn muddy for metal without the distortion pedal but there still is a lot of muddiness after the pedal.Therefore I thought getting emgs installed would be a good improvement.And yes I play in a band where a 10 watt amp is louder than my setup.If I turn the volume up then I have a squealing sound and everybody gets irritated.I'm gonna go with 50 watts because I mostly play inside my room and sometimes jam with friends or an outdoor gig.But when I'm alone anything past 11 o clock becomes too loud.So guys tell me If you think this is fine.

Your guitar is too muddy? Is your tone control all the way up? Are you using your bridge pickup? (I'm just making sure.) Maybe you are using too much gain. (Of course it can be just a crappy guitar.)

If your amp starts "squealing" at higher volumes, it can be due to microphonic pickups, or you may be standing too close to your amp/have too much gain. Any amp will start to feed back at high volumes (especially if you are using distortion). That has nothing to do with the amp.

Don't get the Line 6 Spider. Anything is going to be better than it.

Have you checked out some used gear?
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#24
I have adjusted the pickup height to get the least of the muddy sound but it still isn't gone,I can't play the intro of sweet child o mine cleanly when using gain although I can get it right on other guitars.Yes my tone knob is all the way up unless I feel like messing with it(only on the neck pup).The problem is the fake duncan designed pups I have.Once, I tried to remove the metal casing which was wax potted,by melting the wax using a hair dryer and to this day I agree that doing that was the dumbest thing I had ever done in my life.The theory was that If there was no case on the pickups, there would be a brighter and sharper tone.Didn't work but I temporarily had a better tone idk why for like a day only.Anyways now I'm pretty fixed on Blackstar amps.I want to get really close to what Metallica and Megadeth sound like and I think this is a good choice but it may not be the exact same thing as the original and that doesn't matter I just want the signature punch they have in their tone.
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#25
So I am pretty new to all this guitar rack stuff so I have some questions. So I am think of getting a rack system, but I am on a budget, so anyone have gear they can recommend to allow me to use multiple guitars live, and other necessities needed to have a rack system. Also how is this set up and does it replace my amp head?
Thanks!
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#26
i see you are in Pakistan which may limit you on what is available. so i would start by telling us what opions you have so that we don't waste a lot of time recommending stuff you would have a hard time getting.

i'd say to get both guitar and amp with that budget although once again not sure how far that will go where you are at.

you don't need a 100 watt amp
#27
Quote by Fryderyczek
Definitely the amp.
Good guitar+shit amp=Shit sound
Good amp+shit guitar=decent sound


It always cracks me up that it's the beginners who tell you to "upgrade the amp." Didn't mean to throw you in that bucket, Fry, but that seems to happen here a lot.

I figure that the guitar is where the rubber meets the road (okay, where the fingers meet the strings, at least), and that's your instrument. Buy one really good guitar and that sucker can last you most of the rest of your playing life.

Those of us who actually gig will sometimes wander into random venues and find a backline set up for us (sort of a "use what THEY brung" situation). Same deal with recording; you'll pick a studio based on what they either have at the studio or what they can get from the rental place just around the corner.

I use the same Pod and carry it into a theater (orchestra for a play), church, to a practice facility, at home with headphones, at home with a set of recording monitors, at a gig with an existing or rental PA, etc.

We won't always have the luxury of our favorite amp, even if we've got it with us in the truck. "The load shifted. It got a little damaged." "One of the guys dropped it and the output transformer is at a crazy angle on the bent chassis." "We thought it was on the truck, but it's apparently in that other band's truck." "A mike stand went through the speaker." "The sound guys here don't want to mike your amp -- they insist that you go direct." And so on.

A guitar with crappy action will never let you get better. A guitar with uneven frets will always choke your bends. A guitar with fret ends that stick out will always bother you. A neck-heavy guitar will have you holding up the neck of the guitar with the palm of your hand and your technique will suffer for it. A guitar with a bridge that's a bit too far back will always intonate flat. A guitar with a bad neck angle will always have the bridge up in the air.

Start with a good guitar. Always start with a good interface between you and your music.
After that you can figure out how you want to amplify it.
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So I am pretty new to all this guitar rack stuff so I have some questions. So I am think of getting a rack system, but I am on a budget, so anyone have gear they can recommend to allow me to use multiple guitars live, and other necessities needed to have a rack system. Also how is this set up and does it replace my amp head?


Think of it as separate pieces of stereo equipment as opposed to an all-in-one system.

A standard guitar amp combines a preamp (the thing with all the knobs on it) and a power amp (essentially just raw amplification). The rack separates those two. Other components in a rack might include a rack-mount tuner, a power conditioner, a receiver for wireless, a rack-style noisegate, etc.

If you're on a budget, a rack system is probably the wrong way to go. Most bits and pieces of rack gear are *more* expensive than the parts already in a combo. Even if you were using a Line 6 Pod (for example), you'll find that the combo version (the "live" or HD500) is the cheapest way to go (about $499). The Line 6 Pod HD "bean" is $100 less than that, but if you spring for the $200 foot pedal, it's now gone past the HD500 by $100. And if you get the rack version (the Pod HD Pro) for $699, you'll still need the foot pedal ($200) and now you're at $900, around $400 over the Live (foot pedal version).

OTOH, if you have all of your gear in a rack, most of the important connections are already made and stay that way when you travel. And it's all right up front for you (or your tech) to see. In addition, most of the bits and pieces are in the backline where they're clear of bouncing bandmates, inebriated audience buffalos, etc.

I have a lot of guitars, but I rarely use a lot of them live any more. I just got lazy. So I've eliminated quite a bit of that by using a Variax. Tons of alternate tunings? Variax. Want different guitar sounds? Variax. All available instantly.
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It always cracks me up that it's the beginners who tell you to "upgrade the amp." Didn't mean to throw you in that bucket, Fry, but that seems to happen here a lot.

I figure that the guitar is where the rubber meets the road (okay, where the fingers meet the strings, at least), and that's your instrument. Buy one really good guitar and that sucker can last you most of the rest of your playing life.

Those of us who actually gig will sometimes wander into random venues and find a backline set up for us (sort of a "use what THEY brung" situation). Same deal with recording; you'll pick a studio based on what they either have at the studio or what they can get from the rental place just around the corner.

I use the same Pod and carry it into a theater (orchestra for a play), church, to a practice facility, at home with headphones, at home with a set of recording monitors, at a gig with an existing or rental PA, etc.

We won't always have the luxury of our favorite amp, even if we've got it with us in the truck. "The load shifted. It got a little damaged." "One of the guys dropped it and the output transformer is at a crazy angle on the bent chassis." "We thought it was on the truck, but it's apparently in that other band's truck." "A mike stand went through the speaker." "The sound guys here don't want to mike your amp -- they insist that you go direct." And so on.

A guitar with crappy action will never let you get better. A guitar with uneven frets will always choke your bends. A guitar with fret ends that stick out will always bother you. A neck-heavy guitar will have you holding up the neck of the guitar with the palm of your hand and your technique will suffer for it. A guitar with a bridge that's a bit too far back will always intonate flat. A guitar with a bad neck angle will always have the bridge up in the air.

Start with a good guitar. Always start with a good interface between you and your music.
After that you can figure out how you want to amplify it.


dude your on a roll today (first line 6 amps and now this). while i agree that the answer isn't always get a new amp it seems that get your guitar setup needs to be recommended more often. you are right if your axe is a piece of crap then no amp is gonna help what counts (playability).

seems to me that without a reasonably good amp you will never really know if your guitar can cut it or not tonewise (we aren't talking playability here). there is some truth that a good amp will make a lower end guitar sound better than it is. now of course there is acertain point that nothing will make a guitar with crap pickups etc sound good. by the same token even the best amp can ony do so much with a cheap guitar r one that is setup really poorly.
#30
Well my problem isn't my guitar, my Gibson SG and Les Paul both do me pretty good. I have Marshall cab, which is nice, but I have a lower level amp head, which only has an okay sound, and I can't get the sound in looking for from it, even with my pedal, I can't quit get what I'm looking for. And my guitars are all set up fine, I get tune up and everything set whenever needed. I do need to upgrade some gear though. The only reason I tured to here though is because all te YouTube videos don't give enough info and a lot of sites didn't give a lot of info, I though experienced good other guitarists could help, but no one seems to have much useful information.
#31
Quote by dspellman
It always cracks me up that it's the beginners who tell you to "upgrade the amp." Didn't mean to throw you in that bucket, Fry, but that seems to happen here a lot.

So what you're saying is my amp is shit?
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#32
My 2 cents:

Tone is in the fingers. or as I´ve often experienced, the weakest link defines your tone.

Therefore, I´d get a better guitar. The least you nead is a fairly playable guitar.
#33
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My 2 cents:

Tone is in the fingers. or as I´ve often experienced, the weakest link defines your tone.

Therefore, I´d get a better guitar. The least you nead is a fairly playable guitar.

I wouldn't really agree. I might sound like an ass but the 'tone is in the fingers' statement is absolute bullshit.

Every single finger is made of the same material, the only difference that would change tone is if you have chubby 'sausage like' fingers or long, bony ones.
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I wouldn't really agree. I might sound like an ass but the 'tone is in the fingers' statement is absolute bullshit.

Every single finger is made of the same material, the only difference that would change tone is if you have chubby 'sausage like' fingers or long, bony ones.


couldn't be more wrong. you are taking this to literally. what s meant by fingers has way more to do with how you play that how fat your fingers are . many techniques depend on how you use your fingers to play the note. vibrato comes to mind as well as things like hammer ons and pull offs. all can sound very different depending on how played. your approach becomes your style and thus in the fingers.
#35
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couldn't be more wrong. you are taking this to literally. what s meant by fingers has way more to do with how you play that how fat your fingers are . many techniques depend on how you use your fingers to play the note. vibrato comes to mind as well as things like hammer ons and pull offs. all can sound very different depending on how played. your approach becomes your style and thus in the fingers.



It's supposed to imply "it's not what you play, it's how you play" but that ends up being lost on most people. They think that means people are saying that you can play modern metal on a blues junior and sound like a Boogie or something.


At the end of the day, your fingers are the thing that manipulate the instrument to produce a sound. If they aren't doing the job well, then what ends up being produced won't sound good either. So how you approach things like picking, vibrato etc... is super important in getting the sound you want.


I'm not saying your instrument isn't important either. (it is)
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#36
Agreed. If i plug Steve Vai into a crappy squier starter pack amp he's still going to sound like Steve Vai. Another example is that my other guitar player can't seem to get heavy palm muting riffs on my jcm2000 as well as I can even though he's using the same guitar through the same amp with no setting changes. I just have a more aggressive playing style than he does, but I can't seem to get little nuances on solos like his vibrato technique even when played note for note oddly enough since i have long skinny fingers and he has fat fingers.
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#37
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couldn't be more wrong. you are taking this to literally. what s meant by fingers has way more to do with how you play that how fat your fingers are . many techniques depend on how you use your fingers to play the note. vibrato comes to mind as well as things like hammer ons and pull offs. all can sound very different depending on how played. your approach becomes your style and thus in the fingers.

I know that how you play has an influence on your sound. People should just call it 'how you play is your tone'. The way somebody made that sentence back whenever that phrase was made just started shitload of shitstorms. They could just say 'tone is in the technique' or something.

But, how fat your fingers are arguably does make a difference, it might not be huge, but they do.
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#38
^ I have sausage fingers and I ****ing rip, what now
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#39
Quote by Fryderyczek
I know that how you play has an influence on your sound. People should just call it 'how you play is your tone'. The way somebody made that sentence back whenever that phrase was made just started shitload of shitstorms. They could just say 'tone is in the technique' or something.

But, how fat your fingers are arguably does make a difference, it might not be huge, but they do.


dude it's just an expression. don't take this so seriously.
#40
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dude it's just an expression. don't take this so seriously.

TBH I'm not. It's just confusing.
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