#1
what speaker would go best in a cab with a 5f1? i am pretty much set on 12".

should i go with a jensen? which one? or a greenback? creamback?

MUST be 8 Ohms.
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I'd go with a Jensen
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#3
Jensen P12R if you absolutely want a 12" speaker, else a P10R.
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Jensen P12R if you absolutely want a 12" speaker, else a P10R.


for what reason? i realize that the 10 may be more standard for the time, but i haven't really ever been satisfied with a 10" speaker. granted not behind a 5f1, but i am unsure.

more thoughts?

i may consider WGS if the have what i need.
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depends on the tone you want, but if you want it to be as vintage-accurate as possible I'm guessing look up what the 5f1 originally came with and then either get the current jensen version or a more boutique-style reissue/clone.

http://ampwares.com/amplifiers/fender-narrow-panel-tweed-champ/

"Speaker:

Size: 1 x 6″ or 1 x 8″
Impedance: 4 ohms
Model: Jensen p8T, Oxford 8EV or CTS AlNiCo(For more info, check out the Jensen Replacement Speakers)"


(I haven't tried the 5f1, i have a vht special 6 and fame tube 5 which are more blackfacey and silverfacey (?) respectively, at least I think so )

EDIT: yeah if you want a 12" speaker then you'd probably look up the closest 12" equivalent to those speaker types.
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for what reason?
The 5f1 traditionally uses a P8T afaIk, it's a part of its sound, a 12" speaker doesn't sound like a 5f1 and a 10" would sound more like one.

It's also a very small (power-wise) amp, so trying to get a consistent quantity of bass at medium volumes is not gonna work, it's not gonna sound the way you'd expect a big amp to sound, it can't do that.

The reason of bigger speakers is better reproduction of bass.
If you can't really get much bass out of it anyway, focus on getting a very good mid and high end out of it - bigger speakers are heavier, and heavier speakers distort your high end if they're not good enough, and no guitar speaker is good enough.

So in short you'll get a less harsh high end and you'll get closer to the trademark 5f1 sound.
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Weber. I think a 5F1 will push a 12" but a smaller speaker in the right cab might sound better.
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The 5f1 traditionally uses a P8T afaIk, it's a part of its sound, a 12" speaker doesn't sound like a 5f1 and a 10" would sound more like one.

It's also a very small (power-wise) amp, so trying to get a consistent quantity of bass at medium volumes is not gonna work, it's not gonna sound the way you'd expect a big amp to sound, it can't do that.

The reason of bigger speakers is better reproduction of bass.
If you can't really get much bass out of it anyway, focus on getting a very good mid and high end out of it - bigger speakers are heavier, and heavier speakers distort your high end if they're not good enough, and no guitar speaker is good enough.

So in short you'll get a less harsh high end and you'll get closer to the trademark 5f1 sound.
Who the **** uses the stock speaker in a 5F1? You plug them into 12" cabs, noob.


I run my 5F1 into a greenback clone. It sounds really good. It was made in Melbourne so it probably isn't a viable option for you but any greenbacky thing will sound good. Depends on what sound you are going for really.
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Weber. I think a 5F1 will push a 12" but a smaller speaker in the right cab might sound better.


weber is a good idea. i have his bias probe and it works great, i hear nothing but good thing on his speakers though.

what do you think about the 10" or 12" ?
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Go with your gut and get a 12"
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Go with your gut and get a 12"


probably will. but i also do not have a 10" speaker (other than bass amp), which could be a good for variety. but i think i will just do the 12".

or i may email weber and see what they say.
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#13
Well the question is pretty simple - do you want it to sound big or small? A 5F1 will drive a 4x12 without trouble, a 1x12 is child's play.
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Well the question is pretty simple - do you want it to sound big or small? A 5F1 will drive a 4x12 without trouble, a 1x12 is child's play.


i will just go for a 12"

how would the greenback compare to the jensen? i have never owned either. but i am familiar with how the greenback sounds. and i do have a pair of 20w EVH celestions which are pretty greenback-esque.
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The greenback will tame the top end.
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weber is a good idea. i have his bias probe and it works great, i hear nothing but good thing on his speakers though.

what do you think about the 10" or 12" ?


Well 2 of my amps are feeding 10s and the other 2 are feeding 12s. Yes. I like em both and they do have subtle differences. Both sound good though. 10s seem a little quicker/punchier and 12s a little more round tone. Bass response is more about cabinet design than speaker size and 10s in a thiele ported cab sound pretty fat.

All my 10s are currently Jensens but I did have a Weber 10 in a Blackface Princeton that worked great. Never should have sold that one.

My current 12s are V30, G12H30 Heritage, and EVM. I have been through a bunch of 12s over the years including Jensen C12, Jensen P12 Alnico, Altec 417, JBL D120, Emi Private Jack, Emi "Fender Special Design". My personal favorites so far are the V30 and the 417 but the Altecs weigh a TON. The only one I really never liked was the Jensen P12 Alnico and we never bonded.
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Who the **** uses the stock speaker in a 5F1? You plug them into 12" cabs, noob.
I don't like how the sound of 12" guitar speakers go with the sound of 5f1's.

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Who the **** uses the stock speaker in a 5F1? You plug them into 12" cabs, noob.


i run my little fame tube 5 into the stock 6" jensen sounds pretty good, and keeps the volume down (a bit)

but yeah they sound better into a bigger speaker. though as spambot says, if you're trying to be as vintage as possible the smaller, closer to original speaker is probably the thing. as you said in another post, depends on what you want.

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i will just go for a 12"

how would the greenback compare to the jensen? i have never owned either. but i am familiar with how the greenback sounds. and i do have a pair of 20w EVH celestions which are pretty greenback-esque.


aren't the evh celestions pretty much heritage greenbacks?

in my (limited) experience jensens (and ones a bit like jensens, like eminence patriots etc.) sound quite a bit different from greenbacks.

it's kind of hard to explain if you haven't heard it. I'm not much good at tone words but it's like the midrange is in a different place or something like that.
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