#1
These are all local listings that are around my budget. I'm wondering if the only major difference between these models are the pickups?

Custom - $325
Studio - $300
Standard - $180
Classic - $350

Do any of these models really stand out above the rest or are they all pretty similar? Any of them that I should absolutely not go with?
#2
The only differences are largely aesthetic. Depending on what year you get, you might get different pickups.
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#3
Really it's just these two that I'm considering

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/4859766156.html

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/4857885796.html

I like the Sunburst color better but I'm a little weary about how many "battle scars" it has and what kind of pickups were put in this thing. The seller isn't sure.

The Custom is nice but he's not budging on price and the sunburst has come down to $180 if I pick it up this weekend.
#4
Well, the Standard is pretty and, imo, $180 is a really good price for it.
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#5
Ask him if he knows what pickups are in the Standard. Also, you'll probably want a cover for the back cavity.
The Custom comes with a hard case, strap locks and looks to be in a bit better condition. If you got a hard case for the standard that would be another $50-$100. However the seller doesn't say what brand the hard case or strap locks are, they could be cheap ebay copies or a genuine Epiphone hard case and Schaller strap locks.
If it were me I'd get the Custom, it's $150 more but if it has a decent case, strap locks, and has been set up (professionally) I think it would be worth it.
#6
My Epi LP Custom I had a few years ago had an Epi hardcase and a set of Dunlop Strap Locks... Dunno what it was about that guitar but I just couldnt gel with it. I like that Standard, and the price is good too. A set of Burstbuckers would go nicely in it too.
#7
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Really it's just these two that I'm considering

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/msg/4859766156.html

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/msg/4857885796.html

I like the Sunburst color better but I'm a little weary about how many "battle scars" it has and what kind of pickups were put in this thing. The seller isn't sure.

The Custom is nice but he's not budging on price and the sunburst has come down to $180 if I pick it up this weekend.


Don't get the Custom,
it looks fishy,
better pics would help
#8
Thanks for the tips..I'll probably go with the Standard since I was looking for a Sunburst anyway and of course the price. I'm not real concerned with a case right now as it won't be going anywhere once I get it to my house.
#9
I would totally get the Custom. It's classic black and the Custom is one of the top of the line Epiphones. That means something, getting the guitars that are toward or at the top of the line.

Nothing questionable looking about that Custom. It looks like a very fine guitar. They are better made than the cheap ones too.

The other picture shows a sunburst LP, but who knows if it is even a "Standard". It doesn't say it anywhere on the guitar and the cheap low end Epiphones look like that one too. It could easily be a cheap bottom of the line one.

Plus, what's up with the control cover being off? Why is/was it off in the first place? Evidently whatever was wrong didn't get fixed too quickly and it was lost. It probably still has wiring problems. You don't want that complicated wiring exposed like that. It could cost you 100 dollars, easy, to have that guitar wired back correctly if something is wrong.

It is also "very" suspicious that he will not negotiate on price even though it is obvious that the control panel on the back is missing and he says it has been beat up some. I would avoid that guitar. He looks like someone just trying to make money off something that is worth about half of what he is asking, and he knows it's only worth that because he won't even consider any offers in the area most people will be willing to offer. He is trying to find someone foolish enough to fall for his bullying.

I would get the Custom and be very happy to own a beautiful black, fully bound, LP that has a classic and very cool look, plus good construction and components.

I'd go for the Custom before it's gone - remember, "he who hesitates is lost" in situations where there is something real nice to be gotten for a fair price. That guitar probably cost twice the asking price when it was new. They are cheaper these days. I bet it is in super good shape too, taken care of by someone that cares about things and doesn't beat them up, mess with the control wiring, or lose the control panel.

Go for the Custom before it's gone and when you are actually there, cash in hand I bet he would be happy to take a little less, like maybe 25 less; but I think it is worth the full price.

Get something decent to begin with, instead of something beat up and missing pieces, and I think you will be a lot happier in the long run. That Custom is going to get you there - if it's still available. This is the weekend. I bet it goes fast. I'd act fast.
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#10
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The other picture shows a sunburst LP, but who knows if it is even a "Standard". It doesn't say it anywhere on the guitar and the cheap low end Epiphones look like that one too. It could easily be a cheap bottom of the line one.

Plus, what's up with the control cover being off? Why is/was it off in the first place? Evidently whatever was wrong didn't get fixed too quickly and it was lost. It probably still has wiring problems. You don't want that complicated wiring exposed like that. It could cost you 100 dollars, easy, to have that guitar wired back correctly if something is wrong.

It is also "very" suspicious that he will not negotiate on price even though it is obvious that the control panel on the back is missing and he says it has been beat up some. I would avoid that guitar. He looks like someone just trying to make money off something that is worth about half of what he is asking, and he knows it's only worth that because he won't even consider any offers in the area most people will be willing to offer. He is trying to find someone foolish enough to fall for his bullying.


Yeah something is fishy about it..I asked him to take a pic of the serial number for me and front of the headstock and he got upset and called me a scammer. I questioned him about it and he hasn't responded so I think you're right about it not being an actual standard, or about wiring problems.
#11
Quote by DuffB
You don't want that complicated wiring exposed like that...


That made me laugh... complicated wiring lol... Anyhow. I'm pretty confident this is the guy who has the custom listed on Craigslist or wherever it was...
#12
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That made me laugh... complicated wiring lol... Anyhow. I'm pretty confident this is the guy who has the custom listed on Craigslist or wherever it was...



Yo dude, to you it might be simple wiring, but to me I have found the various LP wiring schemes can be quite complicated. Of course I'm not an expert tech. I'm fairly experienced working on my guitars though and I had to bring an LP in to a good guitar man and have it rewired, including having my kill switch wired correctly (the dudes that put it in obviously were confused themselves and did it wrong).

So I suppose you are laughing at me because you think LP's are wired in an uncomplicated way. I suppose they are, but that one had me in a situation where if I kept trying to straighten it out I would have only messed it up more.

If you are suggesting that I'm the guy that has the custom listed, no; no affiln. I dig LP Customs though. Don't you?

I also believe in buying as nice of stuff as you can, within your planned budget. I just think the Custom is the better of the two guitars.

Also, I can't imagine sporting that so called Standard around without a control cavity cover.

So, anyway, your confidence that I have anything to do with the Custom isn't correct.

No everyone is not at your level. You are reading too much into my post. Relax man, everything is cool. I'm just trying to help the dude out as best I can.
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#13
Quote by paruwi
Don't get the Custom,
it looks fishy,
better pics would help


What he said.

The Standard is the better deal. The Custom offers nothing better over it other than looks and a case.
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#14
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What he said.

The Standard is the better deal. The Custom offers nothing better over it other than looks and a case.



In this case the Custom looks to offer a whole lot more than that so called standard.

One nice feature is that the Custom is an all mahogany body.

The standard is a very cool guitar, but I'm not so sure this one is a standard even. I have a real nice Standard Plus Top with a Dimarzio SuperDistortion bridge pickup; it's amber flame and awesome. The sound is really cool with that bridge pickup, but to each their own.

I have to admit that the black Custom has a high coefficient of cool though.
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#15
Quote by DuffB
In this case the Custom looks to offer a whole lot more than that so called standard.

One nice feature is that the Custom is an all mahogany body.

The standard is a very cool guitar, but I'm not so sure this one is a standard even. I have a real nice Standard Plus Top with a Dimarzio SuperDistortion bridge pickup; it's amber flame and awesome. The sound is really cool with that bridge pickup, but to each their own.

I have to admit that the black Custom has a high coefficient of cool though.



The Custom looks like it is the worst deal...



cause it seems to be a Fake

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#16
DuffB, I'll just say that the very first wiring installation I did was a conversion of a superstrat triple single coil from the standard 5 way toggle to what is known as the Brian May wiring mod, that is 3 X Phase reversal, 3 X Coil On/Off switches which totals about 45 or so soldered joints. If you have experience in wiring guitars as you claim then a simple LP whether it be the standard style, the 50's style, push pull pots or whatever should be a breeze. As has been stated many many times over the years on this website, guitar electronics aren't really considered to be electronics to someone who specialises in the field of electronics, more likely just a bunch of wires and 4 or 5 switches of various types. You want complex, go and build a wiring loom for a late model car with fuel injection and all the other little bits and pieces that go with it... thats halfway complex. Lastly, where does it say what the body is made from? Epiphone says the standard is from Mahogany, my 97 classic is mahogany... Its definitely not an LP100 or a special II... How do you ascertain the wood its made from when no reference is made in the advert and the pictures are taken from 8 feet away?

Paruwi, mate, please oh please don't open that can of worms lol, you'll get the classic 'who would fake a Epiphone?' argument going again. They forget they go for over a grand brand new...
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#17
Looks like the listing for he so-called Custom is gone. Either it sold, or the poster got caught and/or called out on it being a fake.
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#18
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The Custom looks like it is the worst deal...



cause it seems to be a Fake


Just wondering what looks wrong with it? To me it looks legit.
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#19
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Just wondering what looks wrong with it? To me it looks legit.

From what I can tell, the tuner washers are too big, and it looks like the outside volume and tone knobs are slightly out of alignment. The headstock looks way too tall as well, but that could be the image being stretched.
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#20
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Just wondering what looks wrong with it? To me it looks legit.


that's why they sell that much

tuner washers,
logo placement,
screw on the pickguard,
body-binding,

just to name a few

better pics probably would show even more....
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#21
An Epi Custom Model is not a better guitar than the LP Standard. You`re basically paying more for square inlays and cheap gold flashed HW and some additional binding. Epis been known to use tops that need patching for solid colours saving the better stuff for bursts as well.
Moving on.....
#22
Quote by dazza027
DuffB, I'll just say that the very first wiring installation I did was a conversion of a superstrat triple single coil from the standard 5 way toggle to what is known as the Brian May wiring mod, that is 3 X Phase reversal, 3 X Coil On/Off switches which totals about 45 or so soldered joints. If you have experience in wiring guitars as you claim then a simple LP whether it be the standard style, the 50's style, push pull pots or whatever should be a breeze. As has been stated many many times over the years on this website, guitar electronics aren't really considered to be electronics to someone who specialises in the field of electronics, more likely just a bunch of wires and 4 or 5 switches of various types. You want complex, go and build a wiring loom for a late model car with fuel injection and all the other little bits and pieces that go with it... thats halfway complex. Lastly, where does it say what the body is made from? Epiphone says the standard is from Mahogany, my 97 classic is mahogany... Its definitely not an LP100 or a special II... How do you ascertain the wood its made from when no reference is made in the advert and the pictures are taken from 8 feet away?

Paruwi, mate, please oh please don't open that can of worms lol, you'll get the classic 'who would fake a Epiphone?' argument going again. They forget they go for over a grand brand new...



You don't come across with much understanding toward people that know less than you do. You don't have to make people look like they don't know what they are talking about. Some people just want to help out with what they know, at their level. Maybe you could help this guy instead of jumping on me. I don't really care though. Be who you are.

I don't need the abuse. Blocked.
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#23
I didn't call you any names, I just asked a series of questions and made a series of statements re Guitar wiring being almost the very easiest type of wiring there ever has been, except maybe 2 pieces of wire, a AA battery and a small light bulb... Words on a screen don't convey expression very well. Sorry about that. Also, lastly, I am by no means an expert in guitar wiring, as basic as it is, however I can follow a schematic and I do know how to use google and that is enough of a start to learn shit.
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#24
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An Epi Custom Model is not a better guitar than the LP Standard. You`re basically paying more for square inlays and cheap gold flashed HW and some additional binding. Epis been known to use tops that need patching for solid colours saving the better stuff for bursts as well.


Wouldn't mind placing a bet that the parent company has done the same re wood choice for solid coloured caps.
#25
Quote by dazza027
Wouldn't mind placing a bet that the parent company has done the same re wood choice for solid coloured caps.

Not on their Customs, those have grade A or better woods. But yes on the cheaper solid models they use woods that are not as pretty.
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#26
Quote by KenG
An Epi Custom Model is not a better guitar than the LP Standard. You`re basically paying more for square inlays and cheap gold flashed HW and some additional binding. Epis been known to use tops that need patching for solid colours saving the better stuff for bursts as well.


They do veneers on most of their guitars, regardless if flamed / quilt maple or solid colors
so bursts don't have any other wood than solid colored Epis....

#28
I liked that Custom and it didn't last long.

I have one and it feels a lot different from my Standard Plus Top. It must be made differently. I put Gibson 490/498 gold covered pickups in it and it sounds great, needless to say.

I dig the black and gold color scheme and I like the double binding on the guitar.

It all comes down to what you like, but that Custom just looked to me to be a way nicer guitar, not necessarily better, but in nicer condition.

I really question what condition the so called Standard is in and how much it has been messed around with, especially the supposedly easy to work on electronics. Whoever had it must have been spending some time inside that control panel because he managed to lose the cover. It's just not something that looks cool without a cover, like some people think the back of a strat does without the trem cavity cover. Some people think the trem even sounds better without the cover on it.

I'd be looking around at some alternative guitars. Let us know what you find, if anything.
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#29
Seriously dude, what is SO HARD about this?



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#30
Quote by dazza027
Seriously dude, what is SO HARD about this?

This. If the electronics aren't working how they should, it really isn't that big of a deal. Guitar wiring in general is very simple, and relatively easy to fix.
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some people think the back of a strat does without the trem cavity cover. Some people think the trem even sounds better without the cover on it.

Some people think the guitar cuts better in a mix if the screws that mount the pickups are painted black, rather than nickel.
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#31
I bought a Custom Pro recently and love it! I have always believed the more you pay the better you get but now my two favourite guitars are an Epiphone Les Paul Custom Pro and a Samick Greg Bennet design Royale I paid £250 for! Both are better finished than my Custom Shop Gibson although I have to say the Gibson sounds great but really, it's opened my eyes. Each guitar is individually made and you need to try them. I tried a lot of guitars when I bought the Epiphone but kept going back to it. Pleased I bought it.
#32
Ignoring the problem and just playing the guitar is most economical and really doesn't make that much difference anyway, especially if you are in a band. Almost no one, except you will be able to notice. If it gets too bad, just unplug the guitar and pretend to play. No one will notice then and you can relax and just get into your playing.

Nothing could be easier to fix than this.
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#33
I bought an Epiphone Les Paul Custom Pro recently. I have always been of the view the more you pay the better you get but I don't think that's necessarily true any more. I kept coming back to this guitar and it's just a really nice, well made, great sounding guitar. Makes my American Strat Deluxe sound thin but I also about the same time bought a Samick Greg Bennet Royale and it too is well made and sounds great. I think with guitars you need to try them but keep an open mind.