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So when I was in school there was this maths teacher that had a PhD in maths. I still cannot for the life of me understand why a guy with a PhD is teaching GCSE maths to a bunch of 14-16 year olds. Also his role in the school was not as a deputy or head of departments either. Just a regular teacher

I mean, this is bloody GCSE not even A Level maths here. He used to work as a professor in i forget which uni. How the hell did he land in a secondary school? Teaching 14-16 year olds is a pain in the ass too. My old school had a bad rep anyways.


So guys, are any of you overqualified for your current field of work? Know someone who is? Discuss.
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Where's the part where he turns into a serial killer making people's heads explode with maths while trying to provide for his cancer costs?

In all seriousness I think my chemistry/physics teacher in high school was in a similar situation. He complained one time about his brother being an electrical engineer making tons more money than he was.
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I'm sorry TS, but this is just plain wrong. You are not qualified for shit automatically. You're not entitled to anything. If he didn't end up teaching there by his own volition, then too bad, that's exactly the level of qualification he meets. A piece of paper saying you're qualified don't mean jack shit. In the real world, most other things trump your "qualifications". If you think you're overqualified for anything, you're probably unemployed or underemployed.

I personally know people who are expertly qualified to do high level work and yet they started off literally sweeping the floors as interns. Not anymore they ain't, so far beyond that, but they didn't get there waving around their degrees.

Again, you aren't entitled to shit. You are not too good for anything. You are worth no value until you have the experience and attitude to prove otherwise.


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dis dik is overqualified for op's mum
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I'm sorry TS, but this is just plain wrong. You are not qualified for shit automatically. You're not entitled to anything. If he didn't end up teaching there by his own volition, then too bad, that's exactly the level of qualification he meets. A piece of paper saying you're qualified don't mean jack shit. In the real world, most other things trump your "qualifications". If you think you're overqualified for anything, you're probably unemployed or underemployed.

I personally know people who are expertly qualified to do high level work and yet they started off literally sweeping the floors as interns. Not anymore they ain't, so far beyond that, but they didn't get there waving around their degrees.

Again, you aren't entitled to shit. You are not too good for anything. You are worth no value until you have the experience and attitude to prove otherwise.


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I know what you're trying to say, but it is absolutely common to assume that someone that is very highly qualified is actually qualified to do a job that y'know, requires such qualifications to do in the first place.

I get the whole entitlement point but you can't say that someone like my old teacher is working to his full potential teaching GCSE level math, he also had the experience too

You can totally be too good for something.
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I get the whole entitlement point but you can't say that someone like my old teacher is working to his full potential teaching GCSE level math, he also had the experience too

You can totally be too good for something.

Assuming that this wasn't by choice, then he was NOT qualified to last teaching at university level or doing something else "that meets his qualifications". There are so many possible reasons that I'm not going to bother. Suffice to say, if he really did meet the qualifications to do something more...elevated....he wouldn't be there.

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Well I imagine there aren't that many jobs going around in maths not in teaching, especially depending in the area of specialisation. (Yes being a math nerd I understand that there are actually a lot of interesting and varied occupations out there for mathematicians.)

I'm probably underqualified for my job, I don't have a degree or anything, everyone else does. I've always believed in the concept that a lower qualification and a measure experience is the best compromise. In the end the piece of paper is just a means to gain experience, which is when you really start learning. Depending what you do of course.
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Assuming that this wasn't by choice, then he was NOT qualified to last teaching at university level or doing something else "that meets his qualifications". There are so many possible reasons that I'm not going to bother. Suffice to say, if he really did meet the qualifications to do something more...elevated....he wouldn't be there.

He could totally just prefer teaching secondary. That's a thing, you know


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He could totally just prefer teaching secondary. That's a thing, you know


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That's exactly why I said ASSUMING THIS WASN'T BY CHOICE

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That's exactly why I said ASSUMING THIS WASN'T BY CHOICE
that was still a really pretentious thing to say
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oh god there's the p word again. you guys need a thesaurus.

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Maybe he actually wants to be a teacher? Maybe its closer to his family?
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maybe he wanted to teach at that level or the location of the school/hours/demands of the job were more convenient for other demands/priorities in his life? christ you should feel fortunate that he was teaching you instead of blathering about how it was weird you were afforded the opportunity to get a better education.
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questioning why other people do the job they do is exactly why you are still at school. you will understand once you are in the real world.

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questioning why other people do the job they do is exactly why you are still at school. you will understand once you are in the real world.

I graduated as a network engineer, My job now is basically 2nd and 3rd line support engineer.

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I'm sorry TS, but this is just plain wrong. You are not qualified for shit automatically. You're not entitled to anything. If he didn't end up teaching there by his own volition, then too bad, that's exactly the level of qualification he meets. A piece of paper saying you're qualified don't mean jack shit. In the real world, most other things trump your "qualifications". If you think you're overqualified for anything, you're probably unemployed or underemployed.

I personally know people who are expertly qualified to do high level work and yet they started off literally sweeping the floors as interns. Not anymore they ain't, so far beyond that, but they didn't get there waving around their degrees.

Again, you aren't entitled to shit. You are not too good for anything. You are worth no value until you have the experience and attitude to prove otherwise.


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Yo I've never seen anyone get so angry off a simple statement
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#24
I'm sorry TS, but this is just plain wrong. You are not qualified for shit automatically. You're not entitled to anything. If he didn't end up teaching there by his own volition, then too bad, that's exactly the level of qualification he meets. A piece of paper saying you're qualified don't mean jack shit. In the real world, most other things trump your "qualifications". If you think you're overqualified for anything, you're probably unemployed or underemployed.

I personally know people who are expertly qualified to do high level work and yet they started off literally sweeping the floors as interns. Not anymore they ain't, so far beyond that, but they didn't get there waving around their degrees.

Again, you aren't entitled to shit. You are not too good for anything. You are worth no value until you have the experience and attitude to prove otherwise.


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Anyway, this is a difference between the US and UK, I think. In the UK it seems less common for overqualified people doing more menial work than is the case in the US. I know several people here who haven't been hired for work recently because they are overqualified (the concept that said applicant will move on to a better role when one becomes available, harming employee retention for first company so they don't hire them). Is it also a case there that the decision not to hire someone can be based on the fact that they have a degree?

While you're not entitled to anything in life, I think it's more common to hear of people being academically qualified and still having to work their way up from the pits in the US than here. Which is pretty backwards considering how much a good education there costs.

And I get it, as a general principle not to think like you're entitled to anything because of blahblah and you have to work your way up doing blahblah at blhablah before you get that dream career. But shit, son, did you not consider the societal differences between where you're posting from and where TS is posting from?
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#26
I AM OVERQUALIFIED FOR MY CURRENT JOB.

I will explain. But basically yeah, you can be overqualified to the point that some people won't even consider employing you.

I'm currently working as a science technician in a school near me. I have a Masters degree in Chemistry, and whilst the work definitely requires some common sense and some background of science, it's a job that any person could easily be trained for as long as they had an A level in science. I'm at a faaaar higher level of understanding than my colleagues. Basically it's a job I'm doing just to get money whilst I search for something better (hopefully in research or a more professional lab). But this is the job market right now and I'm lucky enough to be employed.

Meanwhile, whilst searching for jobs I gave up and applied for something at Primark. On paper, I should have been invited to the interview at least. I have had experience in retail before (over 2 years working in retail), a degree and good qualifications and references. I didn't even get through to the interview stage. I'm not quite sure why this was - it's possible they see you as someone not likely too stick along for long, or they just want a grunt rather than someone more educated.

But I wouldn't judge a PhD person from going into teaching. Research isn't for everyone, it can be pretty dry and frustrating and if someone goes into that field and decides they just prefer a more people orientated job.
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I will explain. But basically yeah, you can be overqualified to the point that some people won't even consider employing you.

You honestly believe what employers say to you when they turn you down for a job?

There's no such thing as being 'overqualified', unless perhaps in the situation that you're applying for a business position near the top of the food chain, were your knowledge and expertise rivals that of the chairman of the business itself. Bosses sometimes turn you down for knowing too much, out of fear of you potentially taking over the business. But for grunt work? lolnah. Being 'overqualified' in that situation is just a nice way of saying that you have the academic skills for the job, but that's all you've got to show for yourself.
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#28
It's because that 14-16 year old pussy is tighter than that university aged pussy.
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You honestly believe what employers say to you when they turn you down for a job?

There's no such thing as being 'overqualified', unless perhaps in the situation that you're applying for a business position near the top of the food chain, were your knowledge and expertise rivals that of the chairman of the business itself. Bosses sometimes turn you down for knowing too much, out of fear of you potentially taking over the business. But for grunt work? lolnah. Being 'overqualified' is just a nice way of saying that you have the academic skills for the job, but that's all you've got to show for yourself.


Yes for grunt work. Employee retention/staff turnover figures are important. Even in large retail situations. Why hire someone you know is actively looking before and during the hire? Especially if on paper, it looks probable they will get hired. It's a reason a lot of agencies won't bother with sending "overqualified" candidates to do menial tasks, as there's every chance they will get bored or find new work within probation and the agency never gets a fee.
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I AM OVERQUALIFIED FOR MY CURRENT JOB.

I will explain. But basically yeah, you can be overqualified to the point that some people won't even consider employing you.

I'm currently working as a science technician in a school near me. I have a Masters degree in Chemistry, and whilst the work definitely requires some common sense and some background of science, it's a job that any person could easily be trained for as long as they had an A level in science. I'm at a faaaar higher level of understanding than my colleagues. Basically it's a job I'm doing just to get money whilst I search for something better (hopefully in research or a more professional lab). But this is the job market right now and I'm lucky enough to be employed.

Meanwhile, whilst searching for jobs I gave up and applied for something at Primark. On paper, I should have been invited to the interview at least. I have had experience in retail before (over 2 years working in retail), a degree and good qualifications and references. I didn't even get through to the interview stage. I'm not quite sure why this was - it's possible they see you as someone not likely too stick along for long, or they just want a grunt rather than someone more educated.

But I wouldn't judge a PhD person from going into teaching. Research isn't for everyone, it can be pretty dry and frustrating and if someone goes into that field and decides they just prefer a more people orientated job.
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You honestly believe what employers say to you when they turn you down for a job?

There's no such thing as being 'overqualified', unless perhaps in the situation that you're applying for a business position near the top of the food chain, were your knowledge and expertise rivals that of the chairman of the business itself. Bosses sometimes turn you down for knowing too much, out of fear of you potentially taking over the business. But for grunt work? lolnah. Being 'overqualified' is just a nice way of saying that you have the academic skills for the job, but that's all you've got to show for yourself.


Well yeah it is true you can be overqualified lol. I guarantee you that my rejection from that retail job was not because I didn't have the skills or experience, but because they wanted a grunt worker in. Someone who's maybe 16 or 17 years old and just wants a small job, or a mother whos kids are at school, who can be at the company for a good 4 years or more, rather than someone who is a graduate and will be likely wanting to move on in a few months.

But basically yeah. Either employers give you no reason "You have been unsuccessful" because you are over/underqualified, or they say "Sorry but there were candidates who matched the role better due to more experience"/
#32
I am overqualified and underqualified for my current job at the same time.

The minimum level of education required is a diploma and I have a degree. However, the job ad asked for 5 years of experience and I have none so I am learning a lot.

I really, really hate that I am being paid much less than any other job I have had in the past, even less than my part-time retail job, when this is much more physically and mentally demanding. However, i chose to quit my previous cushy capitalist job to look for something where I didn't have to wake up at 3 am so this is my fault and I can't complain. Also I think this experience will help me out a lot when applying for other jobs in the future.
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I suppose keeping their turnover low is one reason to not employ that sort of person. But my father was an electrical contractor that has seen thousands of applicants for 30 years, and he often called people who were theoretically skilled, but practically inept, as being 'overqualified'.
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I suppose keeping their turnover low is one reason to not employ that sort of person. But my father was an electrical contractor that has seen thousands of applicants for 30 years, and he often called people who were theoretically skilled, but practically inept, as being 'overqualified'.



My brother works within contracting, but not on the electric side, and gets a lot of the same. Normally means Lazy and Clumsy when on site!
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I suppose keeping their turnover low is one reason to not employ that sort of person. But my father was an electrical contractor that has seen thousands of applicants for 30 years, and he often called people who were theoretically skilled, but practically inept, as being 'overqualified'.


I see your Dads point. The fact is that people with degrees etc. need people to take a chance on them and give them some experience. They don't have the practical experience needed to grab a job. For example unless you're on a lucrative graduate scheme which trains you up, you will need to go for an entry level job, because everything else requires 2 years experience or something. Without that entry level job, you don't have the experience, but people are calling you overqualified because you don't have the experience needed. And it all feeds into itself making a huge cycle of extremely qualified people competing for menial, low end jobs just to get the experience they need
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OK when I read overqualified, I read "will have a higher pay than necessary coz we can get someone with a lower qual. to do it for less". That's how it is in Oz. And not putting every bachelor's or master's degree on your CV can help get a job; employers are more likely to think you won't stick around or really put in your full effort/potential if you do include it.
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It's because that 14-16 year old pussy is tighter than that university aged pussy.

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Fun fact: the guy he replaced was sacked and put in prison because his girlfriend who was the English teacher found child porn on his laptop and handed him in to the police.

I'm guessing the 14-16 year old pussy wasn't tight enough after all.

EDIT: Wait you're in Wales. Was the original teacher Ian Watkins?
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I'm guessing the 14-16 year old pussy wasn't tight enough after all.

Kids these days.

14 y/o girls are like a wizard's sleeve down there.
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I'm guessing the 14-16 year old pussy wasn't tight enough after all.

EDIT: Wait you're in Wales. Was the original teacher Ian Watkins?


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Knew this was coming. The guy wasn't even Welsh. He was actually Irish.

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