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#1
lets get away from the talks of privilege/feminism a bit and re-visit some 2011 classic topics

back then most of you guys were socialists/communists/anarchists generally very left wing and felt disenfranchised/unrepresented by the capitalist system you were a part of.

how has the last few years impacted and shaped your stance now that most of you are productive members of the workforce rather than students? if you still identify with a similar political ideology how do you balance that with your new-found role in society? if you no longer identify with a somewhat similar ideology what caused the shift? if you are wcphils how do you manage to be so uninterested?

#2
In 2011 I would spend a lot of time thinking about politics, only to come to the conclusion that I didn't really know anything. Now I mostly just skip the thinking part and go straight to the not knowing.

Although I've probably always been left wing, and since I've started working I've been leaning that way even more. It probably has less to do with me working than it has to do with the fact that I stopped caring about most of the stuff involved and just want people to stop moaning about stupid stuff. I've started becoming less capitalistic as well I think.
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#3
I sit on a man's back, choking him, and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by any means possible, except getting off his back.
#4
I've always been left-wing, but due to the last election and the inner chaos of sweden's politics I've become a tad less idealist and realised that parts from the other side / the center are not of evil all the time.

Maybe it also has to do with me being older, having my own job, paying my own bills with my wage rather than with my student loans.

I'm a lot more conflicted in waht I believe in terms of politics nowadays, which in itself doesn't bother me. I feel fine, I just feel a bit relieved and open minded about people coming from different sides and having different opinions. I can agree/see the logic in both sides and can also see the absolute idiocy in both sides.

Leftish with a tad more blueish/centerish approach than before.

I've grown tired as **** of super left wing internet activists spewing shit on everyone not fitting into the exact critera of who's welcome to have opinion X or to talk in matter Y.

that's just bullshit.

And about money.

Having money is ****ing fabolous. No happy-go-lucky left wing ideasa bout "inner spirit and sanctuary" can deny the fact that having money enough to splash cash on dumb stuff from time to time is ****ing fantastic. And now I'm in no way whatsoever rich. Just 200 more euro per month makes me a very happy person in terms of consumption of vinyls, food, drinks or the odd purchase of clothes or a weekend trip


In the end it all comes down to the fact that

People won't change, I won't change. I won't throw away my life only to realise on my death's bed that I didn't contribute shit and that I just wasted my life whilst my friends and family lead normal lives in harmony and had fun. And no feeling of being high and might and telling myself "I did the right thing, people are just lazy and egoistic"

There's no fun in becoming a Travis Bickle person, because it contributes to nothing and leads to yourself possibly killing yourself because the world is ****ed up.

Edit

saw that IOTM brought up social issues and drugs etc.

I'd say I'm as liberal/left wing as ever or more so. That hasn't changed.
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#5
I am even more supportive of capitalism now because I discovered that I really like having lots of money and the capitalist organizations I have been involved with give me lots of money in exchange for my hard work. I do not deny that it is far from perfect but many people who are against it do not make any points which I think are worth considering.

That being said, I have never felt disenfranchised or unrepresented by it. I am loathe to give up the benefits of capitalism since I am not unhappy with what it has done for me. I might change my mind if it makes me unhappy in the future. No I am not rich.


I seem to be more conservative on social issues but I can't tell if that's because my beliefs have stayed the same and everyone else is now more liberal, or if my opinions have changed that much. It's probably a bit of both.
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#6
I just grew up, really. I was an insufferable, know-it-all socialist. Then life experience basically showed me that I knew relatively little about the world. I explored ideas outside of my ideological box and realised that my certainties weren't so certain. This isn't to say that all leftism is infantile, just my particular view of it. I'd say I'm probably centre-right now.

On social issues like drugs and gay rights etc. I'm still as libertarian as I used to be. Mainly my views on economics have changed, although I am more accepting of people that disagree with my social views than I was in the past when I thought I possessed absolute truth.
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#7
I'm mildly upset about the machine but I think I'll take a nap and then write you a nice letter about it over tea.
#8
apathetic centrist shitlord, ama

(privilege score of -15, disadvantaged get @)




#10
i'm torn between the two ideologies

on the one hand viva la revolucion

on the other **** bitches get money make it rain
#11
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back then most of you guys were socialists/communists/anarchists generally very left wing and felt disenfranchised/unrepresented by the capitalist system you were a part of.

how has the last few years impacted and shaped your stance now that most of you are productive members of the workforce rather than students?
I'm still a student so I'm still of the same opinion.

In a slightly tamer way, though basically the same still.
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#13
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#14
and I'm a little bit rock n roll


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#16
I know absolute shit about politics. In 2011, I was conservative. I'd say I'm more liberal now, though, but it's not that straightforward. I love the idea of capitalism but it could never operate in the way it was intended to work.

On the other hand, my life is hella comfortable as a privileged shitlord and people who see me but don't talk to me would never guess I'm against capitalism.

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#18
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#22
Siding slightly more on Liberal.

But I try not to worry too much about the world's problems though. I used to do that all the time and being constantly miserable because of terrible things happening everywhere made my life miserable. I felt like I was worth nothing to nobody because I felt it was my duty to make all of the world's problems go away and I just wasn't good enough to figure any of it out. Placing that kind of burden on myself is no way to live. It just made my life a self-fulfilling prophecy of anxiety, powerlessness, apathy and guilt.
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#23
Libertarian/libertarian-ish since I was legally allowed to vote in 2008, because im no flip-flopper.

Always get mid-right on political tests
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#24
I find the 'socialism = childish' attitude quite funny and sad
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OT: My political views are the same as they were 4 years ago. I've always been for a regulated market with high taxes for social programs. As far as social issues, you can't really "go back" once you've been socially liberal, since it's the right way to go. It's like a PhD geologist suddenly deciding the world actually is 6000 years old.
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#28
Used to be socialist. Now a capitalist. Still liberal on social issues. Let gays get married, women have abortions, people smoke weed, etc. It's not my problem.

I stopped caring so much about the world and more about myself I think.
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#30
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if you are wcphils how do you manage to be so uninterested?


#31
The government needs to provide for the people who can't afford things. In America, healthcare cripples people's chances of ever moving up. School puts students in debts they don't pay off until they're 30. The government should support the people and the people should support the government. People need to lose the shitty "it doesn't apply to me, so who cares?" attitude.
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#32
All I want in my life from politics is the freedom to be left alone from a man in a suit reading off legal clauses that could have me thrown in jail for existing. For that reason, Labour's live and let live attitude to things is fine for me. Plus, all the parties **** up at some point, makes for right proppa bantz, m8.

Also, **** UKIP.
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#33
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All I want in my life from politics is the freedom to be left alone from a man in a suit reading off legal clauses that could have me thrown in jail for existing. For that reason, Labour's live and let live attitude to things is fine for me. Plus, all the parties **** up at some point, makes for right proppa bantz, m8.

Also, **** UKIP.

Really not in their manifesto. Granted, they're closer to it since they dropped clause 4, but they're still the party that spent billions of pounds trying to give us all ID cards and shit.
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#35
I have pretty much the same opinions as I had in 2011. Moderate left-wing with some points of connection with centre, liberal in social affairs.

I never really gone through that idealistic phase because I was always skeptical about extremisms and ideals that were supposedly better in every way. If Communism was so good, then why is just a small fraction of the world composed by so called communist regimes and their quality of life is mostly shit? I never got carried in such thoughts because I knew that a young me wasn't, by any means, more smarter and wiser than the people that were in fact running the world. If the developed countries are ruled in a way, it's because there is a reason to, despite its apparent flawed nature at a first glance. It is flawed, but it is still the best.

Therefore, my moderate views haven't changed a lot. I now understand a bit better how everything works and why, specially the economic system after I started my degree in Economics. I haven't become a fully fleged capitalist (and I don't intend to because I know what unregulated capitalism does to society) and neither will I become a die hard communist. I believe that balance is where it is at. It's obvious that I disagree with some details, but in broad terms, it seems to me that the moderate system that has been running the developed world for the past decades works and the results are clear.
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Really not in their manifesto. Granted, they're closer to it since they dropped clause 4, but they're still the party that spent billions of pounds trying to give us all ID cards and shit.


Agreed, but still compared to Farage? I don't like being reminded every day that suddenly words on paper can declare 'one random group of people aren't allowed to live such and such or do such and such just because it offends our sensibilities'.

Hell, I'd even have Cameron in again if it meant all the more stupidity out. Cuz at least Cameron hasn't actually exploded the country with incompetence yet.

Maybe I'm just too neurotic for politics.
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#38
If anything I'm only more disillusioned by capitalism than I ever was.

But I've always been pragmatic and I don't care how the system is structures so long as there is economic justice. Which there is not.

On social issues and civil rights and civil liberties I'm libertarian because I'm not an ignorant bigot and I have a moral backbone. And that's the way I've always been.

On foreign affairs I'm generally non-interventionist unless there's a good reason. Again, always been that way.
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#39
still a student, plan to be a student for a long time.

stuff i've done in ancient studies & archaeology has somewhat strengthened my stance, i think.

stuff i've done in math is so wonderfully irrelevant. but if i stretch i can relate it to socialism trust me.
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#40
libtards!!!!!

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