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#3
I feel like people want it to be a "hate crime." I dunno, sometimes there's just assholes who will kill people, any people, over parking spots.
#4
Pretty twisted shit. Tons of anti-atheist comment coming out of it though, which is also sad.
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#5
people shooting people smh.
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#6
Killing people is bad, m'kay? You shouldn't kill people.
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#7
Never ceases to amaze me the emotion/actions that can come from humans, brought about by something as simple as parking
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#8
I've seen so many people shouting/getting angry with strangers because of some petty shit to do with driving. Thank Christ most people here aren't packing heat.
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#10
Can you imagine what this thread would be like if the guy wasn't a hardcore progressive.
#11
Stop killing people, you twats.
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#12
Just searched this on Twitter. People are desperate for this to be called a terrorist attack. A white guy killed three non-white people, how could there be any other reason?
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#13
While the matter of religion should be addressed I think what's really sad is that nobody actually has the backbone to say that once shootings and killings in a supposedly developed society are so widespread, you really have a twisted culture on your hands that needs fixing and no gun laws or hate-speech laws are really gonna do anything about it.

Instead it's just a race to find out what kind of faith did he subscribe to, what was the thing that 'pushed him over the edge', was he a 'good husband and neighbour' etc.
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'Hardcore progressive' jfc then again i've never really seen a person who even uses that term actually think much about it


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#14
So 3 Muslims get executed -> was a parking dispute
3 christians get executed -> terrorism

ok
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#15
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So 3 Muslims get executed -> was a parking dispute
3 christians get executed -> terrorism

ok


Surely you realise how superficial that argument is though? Terrorism doesn't depend on the demographics of the killer and those killed, it relies on the motive for killing: murder in the pursuit of political or (lack of) religious aims. Perhaps he did kill them for being Muslims, in which case he is a terrorist, but his wife's claim that this was a parking dispute could be true. You know how people get angry over silly things and how Americans love their guns. In that case, he would not be a terrorist.

We're not sure either way yet. Either could be true; the police are investigating.
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Surely you realise how superficial that argument is though? Terrorism doesn't depend on the demographics of the killer and those killed, it relies on the motive for killing: murder in the pursuit of political or (lack of) religious aims. Perhaps he did kill them for being Muslims, in which case he is a terrorist, but his wife's claim that this was a parking dispute could be true. You know how people get angry over silly things and how Americans love their guns. In that case, he would not be a terrorist.

We're not sure either way yet. Either could be true; the police are investigating.

TBH, it seems more like the guy was just a dick with a gun.
#17
I don't understand why they were making such a big issue of the dead being muslims and the killer being an atheist. Especially when it turned out to be over a parking dispute.

This is why the media should keep race/religion out of things until the full story is known.
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Surely you realise how superficial that argument is though? Terrorism doesn't depend on the demographics of the killer and those killed, it relies on the motive for killing: murder in the pursuit of political or (lack of) religious aims. Perhaps he did kill them for being Muslims, in which case he is a terrorist, but his wife's claim that this was a parking dispute could be true. You know how people get angry over silly things and how Americans love their guns. In that case, he would not be a terrorist.

We're not sure either way yet. Either could be true; the police are investigating.

Police can't find out motive. Ofcourse the guy and the wife are going to say parking dispute. You get lower sentences for normal crimes than for hate crimes. Plus the police will cover it up cause it makes americans look bad. I honestly have no faith in the justice system in the US ****ing A. It is so broken.

He may be a terrorist, he may not be. Thing is we will never know, and I'm going to say killing 3 people over a parkin dispute is farfetched even for America.
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Police can't find out motive. Ofcourse the guy and the wife are going to say parking dispute. You get lower sentences for normal crimes than for hate crimes. Plus the police will cover it up cause it makes americans look bad. I honestly have no faith in the justice system in the US ****ing A. It is so broken.

He may be a terrorist, he may not be. Thing is we will never know, and I'm going to say killing 3 people over a parkin dispute is farfetched even for America.

They'll never know for certain what the motive is but that doesn't mean they can't get a good idea through the investigation.

I'm almost certain that 1st degree murder in the United States has a mandatory life sentence (correct me if I'm wrong). He also committed three 1st degree murders, so the lower sentence angle doesn't seem plausible to me.

Your lack of faith in the US justice system isn't wholly unjustified, but here it borders on conspiracy theorist levels of logic.

It does seem far-fetched that someone could kill over a parking dispute, but human stupidity knows no bounds. If someone with a bad temper and a gun gets into an argument, it isn't stretching reason to believe that he could use the weapon.
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#20
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Can you imagine what this thread would be like if the guy wasn't a hardcore progressive.


There you go forgetting Neo Evil posts here again.
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There you go forgetting Neo Evil posts here again.

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#22
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There you go forgetting Neo Evil posts here again.

Or you must realize that "hardcore progressives", who criticize religion, are also liable to commit hate crimes against people that follow those religions. Not only religious people can be intolerant of other people's religions.
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Or you must realize that "hardcore progressives", who criticize religion, are also liable to commit hate crimes against people that follow those religions. Not only religious people can be intolerant of other people's religions.

"Hardcore progressives" doesn't seem like a very good descriptive name. Going by the current trends in naming such individuals, shouldn't they be "militant atheists" or something?
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"Hardcore progressives" doesn't seem like a very good descriptive name. Going by the current trends in naming such individuals, shouldn't they be "militant atheists" or something?

People in this thread named him that, I just followed it. I am in no mood for arguments in semantics.
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People in this thread named him that, I just followed it. I am in no mood for arguments in semantics.

Well, the internet is for that and porn, and AFAIK there's no porn here.
#26
inb4 conservates claim that if we had more guns, none of this would happen
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#27
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inb4 conservates claim that if we had more guns, none of this would happen

Well, if them muzzlim terrrrists had membered thur guns, he'd've only been able t'shoot wunuvvum.
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#29
People are bringing up Charlie Hebdo again - WHY WAS CHARLIE HEBDO GIVEN SO MUCH COVERAGE AND THIS WASN'T

1. This was given coverage lol because I knew what this thread was about even before clicking on it.

2. If you seriously can't see why Charlie Hebdo attacks were given more news coverage you are an idiot and don't deserve it explained to you.

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People are bringing up Charlie Hebdo again - WHY WAS CHARLIE HEBDO GIVEN SO MUCH COVERAGE AND THIS WASN'T

1. This was given coverage lol because I knew what this thread was about even before clicking on it.

2. If you seriously can't see why Charlie Hebdo attacks were given more news coverage you are an idiot and don't deserve it explained to you.

Actually I think we should not have given the Charlie Hebdo attacks any news coverage.
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Actually I think we should not have given the Charlie Hebdo attacks any news coverage.


Are you just acting like an idiot to troll everyone or are you honestly just extremely stupid?

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Are you just acting like an idiot to troll everyone or are you honestly just extremely stupid?

I am just extremely stupid. I think giving terrorists a platform like international news coverage will only increase the number of terrorist acts as it will appear their acts are effective.
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This is why the media should keep race/religion out of things.

FTFY

It's absurd that we feel the need to label any altercation between people of different creeds a hate crime regardless of the actual motive; as long as we continue to force race/religion to be a factor in every crime, we will never come close to having racial amity.
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#34
I think people around the world have a right to know that masked gunmen are on the lose in an iconic European city executing journalists and police officers. Do you want us all to exist in a happy bubble where no bad things can ever happen? These things need to be given a platform so we can make sense of the world around us.

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Actually I think we should not have given the Charlie Hebdo attacks any news coverage.


Do you mean because it's just aggravating the already dreadful political and social situation in Europe ?
#36
I've noticed that the media is trying very hard to make us all hate each other. By making us all hate each other, more bad things happen. More bad things happening leads to more stories, more stories leads to more money to the media. They are controlling the supply and the demand on this bullshit.

Imagine how different the cop shootings, Charlie Hedbo, etc would be without the media hate mongering it.
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I think people around the world have a right to know that masked gunmen are on the lose in an iconic European city executing journalists and police officers. Do you want us all to exist in a happy bubble where no bad things can ever happen? These things need to be given a platform so we can make sense of the world around us.

Do we really need to know that? What can we do about it? The government needs to know about it. No need to broadcast all over the world what one guy does in an australian café. Ofcourse then every idiot in the world with similar ideas think he can be this martyr in the eyes of his peers and do the same thing.

Obviously the problem lies with the extremists themselves, but I don't think covering it for a week on every news station in the world is helping us in any way.
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#38
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Do we really need to know that? What can we do about it? The government needs to know about it. No need to broadcast all over the world what one guy does in an australian café. Ofcourse then every idiot in the world with similar ideas think he can be this martyr in the eyes of his peers and do the same thing.

Obviously the problem lies with the extremists themselves, but I don't think covering it for a week on every news station in the world is helping us in any way.
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#39
The problem lies with the media forcing their opinions into every story, news should be apolitical and impartial. We need to know what happened, not have their ideals spoon-fed to us.
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