#1
I'm upgrading my Laney LC15R, it is getting Mercury Magnetics transformers and I need to choose a good speaker for it. I would like something that can give me more bass.

Hard and Alt Rock is the kind of music I play more. Sometimes Metal... Yes, I play Metal with my 15w amp.

Suggestions? Thank you.

Right now considering Jensen Electric Lightning or Celestion G10 Greenback.

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#2
I'm no speaker specialist so I'll let another answer.

But I've thought of something. Maybe you could make this amp closed back. That would give you a nice amount of bass.
#3
Yep, that is probably a good idea.

Thank you!

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#4
Big heavy metal shred thumping percussive bass? It can be done with a tenner but needs to be in a tuned, closed back cab. Small open back cabs don't have enough dampening to get you there even with a JBL or EV. Maybe just add a closed back ext cab with a 12 or 15.
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#5
Not that huge, just more of what already has.

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#6
Color, tone, SPL, and breakup are mostly about speaker choice. Bass response is mostly about cabinet design. A Ragin Cajun is an American voiced speaker with lots of authority down to 70hz in the bass... in a tuned, closed-back cabinet. It might add a little more in a small open back cab until physics kicks in and cancels out the low end. Large sound waves from bass frequencies wrap around from front to back and cancel themselves out.

I totally understand wanting to just swap out the speaker and be done but good tight bass response below 120hz is a little more complicated. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
I still like the Avatar Ext cab idea a lot.
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#7
Check out WGS Speakers - cost effective American made with a good reputation. They have several 10" options. Just contact them for their suggestion.
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#8
Yeah my buddy just bought 2 WGS retro 10's and they sound good. they are sopsedly a cross between a greenback and G12h30 and they do sound good.

I'd think the 10" V30 would be a better choice than the 10" greenback
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#9
I have an Emperor 4x12 for that matter. I just need a good speaker for my combo. I'll check that WGS and the G10 Vintage. Thank you guys

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#10
Quote by Cajundaddy
Color, tone, SPL, and breakup are mostly about speaker choice. Bass response is mostly about cabinet design. A Ragin Cajun is an American voiced speaker with lots of authority down to 70hz in the bass... in a tuned, closed-back cabinet. It might add a little more in a small open back cab until physics kicks in and cancels out the low end. Large sound waves from bass frequencies wrap around from front to back and cancel themselves out.

I totally understand wanting to just swap out the speaker and be done but good tight bass response below 120hz is a little more complicated. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
I still like the Avatar Ext cab idea a lot.


Thats what I upgraded to in my Vox AD30VT.
Sounded much better after that.

Classic Rock, Southern Rock, Blues, Metal (think old style metal like Sabbath) is what I mostly play and that speaker fit perfectly for me in that amp.
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#11
Quote by Cajundaddy
Color, tone, SPL, and breakup are mostly about speaker choice. Bass response is mostly about cabinet design. A Ragin Cajun is an American voiced speaker with lots of authority down to 70hz in the bass... in a tuned, closed-back cabinet. It might add a little more in a small open back cab until physics kicks in and cancels out the low end. Large sound waves from bass frequencies wrap around from front to back and cancel themselves out.

I totally understand wanting to just swap out the speaker and be done but good tight bass response below 120hz is a little more complicated. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
I still like the Avatar Ext cab idea a lot.


Bang on the money. Turn off the included speaker and use a tuned, closed-back cabinet with a speaker designed with a lower resonant peak.

Oh, and don't go trying to close off the back of a tube combo amp unless you have a fire extinguisher handy. What are these guys smoking?
#12
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What are these guys smoking?


Loco weed methinks.
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#13
Do you think the Ragin Cajun will perform good with a Brit voiced amp? Considering it.

Thank you all for helping me. I need this guy working back soon!

Also, I can afford a $200+ speaker.

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Quote by Perverockstar69
Do you think the Ragin Cajun will perform good with a Brit voiced amp? Considering it.

Thank you all for helping me. I need this guy working back soon!


I think it is one of the best aftermarket 10s out there and most amps sound good with it. A lotta guys are putting them into SuperChamps and the AC30 and Plexi voices work well. To me it sounds like the old EV 10s which were good. It does have a pretty solid bottom end that might add 2-3db where you want it. No comparison with a well tuned closed back cab though. Try one and see if it floats your boat.
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#15
What about the Red Fang?

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What about the Red Fang?

The red Fang is the Alnico 10" right, if so it does not fit what you want to do with your sound.
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#17
Good, thank you!

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#18
^^ Agreed. I've only tried the 12" version but if the 10" is similar I don't think it's what he wants either.
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#19
No opinions on the Jensen Electric Lightning? Is the G10 Vintage REALLY close sounding to the Vintage 30? I love Vintage 30 speakers...

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#20
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But I've thought of something. Maybe you could make this amp closed back. That would give you a nice amount of bass.


That's usually not a great idea with a tube combo amp for two reasons.

One, there's a definite heat issue and

Two, you generally can't seal things up (make it airtight) as you can with a closed-back separate cab. That's fairly important if you're going to get any bass out of it at all.

BTW, you might take a look at the 10" Eminence Ragin' Cajun. It's good speaker for what you're doing, and it's got a 100.5 dB sensitivity (efficiency) number.
#21
Quote by Perverockstar69
I'm upgrading my Laney LC15R, it is getting Mercury Magnetics transformers and I need to choose a good speaker for it.


Mind if I ask what the MM transformers (and installation) are going to run? I put an MM mod kit, including transformers and choke, in one of my Epi Valve Juniors, and I think it was close to $290 for the parts and another $100-140 for installation. Absolutely worth it, however.

"More bass" is going to be a function of both speaker and cabinet, and an open-back combo isn't going to be much help there.
#22
Quote by Perverockstar69
No opinions on the Jensen Electric Lightning? Is the G10 Vintage REALLY close sounding to the Vintage 30? I love Vintage 30 speakers...

Maybe check this one out then - http://wgs4.com/10-retro-10-60-watts
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#23
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Mind if I ask what the MM transformers (and installation) are going to run? I put an MM mod kit, including transformers and choke, in one of my Epi Valve Juniors, and I think it was close to $290 for the parts and another $100-140 for installation. Absolutely worth it, however.

"More bass" is going to be a function of both speaker and cabinet, and an open-back combo isn't going to be much help there.

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heyboer or classictone (the ones cathbard linked) is what i have and use for the amps i have built.
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#25
I have a old 60's kustom 4x10 that has 69 jbl fender speakers in it. I feel bad cranking them with my 100 watt head so I want to replace them with something.
I like gt75's on my modeling equipment.
what would a 10 inch speaker to put in the cab?
#26
^ when you say gt75s do you mean celestion g12t75s?

I'm not aware of a 10 inch version of them, but that's not to say something doesn't exist which doesn't sound in the ballpark (I'm not too well up on 10" speakers).

I guess you could email celestion to ask. Though I'd also caution putting too much stock in modelling (unless it's really high-end modelling like an axe fx or similar, i guess) in case the model isn't that accurate.
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I have a old 60's kustom 4x10 that has 69 jbl fender speakers in it. I feel bad cranking them with my 100 watt head so I want to replace them with something.
I like gt75's on my modeling equipment.
what would a 10 inch speaker to put in the cab?


a speaker will sound quite different when used for modeling than it will for a standard guitar amp. but you don't provide much detail, i have no idea what the 100 watt head is and i have no idea what you want from your 4x10.

if you want some era specific style speakers that can handle a 100 watt head then something like this would fit the bill

https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/10f150t.htm

if you want something more neutral, that is made more for signal reproduction rather that signal sourcing then a delta pro 10 is a pretty solid choice

http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speaker-detail/?model=DeltaliteII_2510

http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speaker-detail/?model=Delta_Pro_10MR_8

they make a ceramic and neodymium version, the neodymium is lighter.

i didn't know what type of price range you were looking at, so i posted fairly nice speakers that are on the bit expensive side.
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#28
^ Oh I assumed he meant his modeller modelled the g12t75. If he's actually using them as speakers, I agree, just because they sound good with a modeller doesn't mean they'll sound good with a non-modeller.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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