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#1
I'm interested what do you think about guitar players that base their sound on effects pedals.

And if any of you are purists, why? There are many sonic experimentations waiting for you, but you still stick to that classic ac/dc tone.

Reverb, Delay, Modulations, Octave Pedals?
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#2
I have nothing against them, TBH. Unless they're the kind who would refuse to play without them. Those people are dicks.
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#3
If effects improve the music and are used tastefully, they are great. If it sounds good, it's good. Who cares about how the sound was achieved?

Of course sometimes overusing effects gets annoying.
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#4
If it's what you play, awesome. I wouldn't expect Rowland S Howard to play through a dozen effects pedals, and I wouldn't expect Kevin Shields to use fewer than ten or so, but they're both among my favourite guitarists. Just roll with it.
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#6
FX are good and have their place in music. I like experimenting with FX sometimes, but when I play live and write songs in my band I rarely use anything other than wah and an OD for a boost.
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#7
Quote by Rensa
I'm interested what do you think about guitar players that base their sound on effects pedals.

And if any of you are purists, why? There are many sonic experimentations waiting for you, but you still stick to that classic ac/dc tone.

Reverb, Delay, Modulations, Octave Pedals?


ummm...... your base tone is guitar / amp. if you don't have it happening there then pedals become a huge crutch. there is much to be said for keeping it simple.

not sure what you are really trying to get at. you imply that the guy that keeps it simple is somehow unwilling to look for new sounds. newsflash, the guy that only has a guitar and amp has to put some actual effort into getting a new sound rather than just stomping on a pedal. what happens if that pedal dies? well then you're shit out of luck. the guy who uses his tone knobs, pckup selector switch and of course the volume knob on his guitar can get a variety of tones and not just the "AC/DC" tone that you seem to feel is to generic.

now don't get me wrong i have a pile of pedals but use them more as icing than the cake. honestly i want the wow factor to be my playing and not a buch of crazy noises from pedals. certainly some players can do great things with effects (adrian belew comes to mind) so it's more down the player than anything in the end. guys that just make noise cuz they can don't appeal to me.
#8
you could argue royal blood uses effects and wont play without them. i think they get a pass since A they are incredible B he essentially found a way to make a bass a guitar. so.... yeah

in general, like the folks who buy a clean amp and get modelling pedals or stack pedals together, nothing against em if it sounds good. i think to sound good personally, i would have to buy very expensive pedals to keep my happy to the point i may as well buy a nice amp.

i think if you really want to do everything well, you need something like a kemper and thats a whole others story.

i know a lot of people who run a smiple 1 channel amp setup and a few pedals and sounds great. take a single channel dr. Z and a high end OD pedal or pedalsssss, easily get amazing tone.
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#9
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you could argue royal blood uses effects and wont play without them. i think they get a pass since A they are incredible B he essentially found a way to make a bass a guitar. so.... yeah

in general, like the folks who buy a clean amp and get modelling pedals or stack pedals together, nothing against em if it sounds good. i think to sound good personally, i would have to buy very expensive pedals to keep my happy to the point i may as well buy a nice amp.

i think if you really want to do everything well, you need something like a kemper and thats a whole others story.

i know a lot of people who run a smiple 1 channel amp setup and a few pedals and sounds great. take a single channel dr. Z and a high end OD pedal or pedalsssss, easily get amazing tone.
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#10
I see pedals as an extension of your guitar. Do you need them to produce sound? No, but you can use them to alter the sound your instrument produces, thereby expanding what sounds you can produce.

Personally, I always have my reverb and distortion pedals on, and I could not imiagine being without them. That being said, I can see why some prefer to plug their guitar straight into their amp. Both are valid choices, and we should all respect that really.


That being said: You aren't cool if you haven't tried running a fuzz into two delay pedals, three reverbs, and a tremolo. Tone for days mate
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#11
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I see pedals as an extension of your guitar. Do you need them to produce sound? No, but you can use them to alter the sound your instrument produces, thereby expanding what sounds you can produce.

Personally, I always have my reverb and distortion pedals on, and I could not imiagine being without them. That being said, I can see why some prefer to plug their guitar straight into their amp. Both are valid choices, and we should all respect that really.


That being said: You aren't cool if you haven't tried running a fuzz into two delay pedals, three reverbs, and a tremolo. Tone for days mate


Dammit guess i'm not cool figures
#12
Ain't nothing wrong with using pedals. Ain't nothing wrong with NOT using them either.

Personally, I'm a pedalphile.


...maybe I shouldn't say that that way.
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#13
I've run both ways and usually I can bring just a volume pedal and overdrive and I'm fine. That's all I use at band practice. Onstage I bring a pedal board with 4effects, volume pedal and A/B switch into 2 amps. Last night I used the overdrive 90% of the time, distortion twice, modded Dan Electro Rocky Road twice. Arion Analog Delay decided it didn't want to work so it's time to open it up again and grab the contact cleaner...didn't miss it a bit though. Last time we played in the same place all I brought was volume pedal and overdrive, A/B switch and 2 amps...no problem, didn't miss the other effects at all.

It just depends on what you want. Most of the time I'm doing rhythm parts and fills, and most of that is just amp, or with overdrive on and use the volume pedal to stand out for fills and leads. The other effects are very rarely used but there if needed.

A while back I used a Peavey MX and often would use just amp and volume pedal, The gain channel is hard to get adjusted but works well, so all I used was footswitch and volume pedal.
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#14
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Ain't nothing wrong with using pedals. Ain't nothing wrong with NOT using them either.

Personally, I'm a pedalphile.


...maybe I shouldn't say that that way.


i'd stick with the vintage ones those newer ones will get you into trouble
#15
I like pedals, they are great. That being said, it is kinda ridicolus to see a pretty new player with a huge pedalboard that he doesnt use, or uses it to improve the tone of a shitty amp. I knew a guy that had a crappy MG and a pedalboard with about 20 cheap pedals. He switched them on and off for every single song, and it always sounded horrible.
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#16
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i'd stick with the vintage ones those newer ones will get you into trouble


I can't help it- I like to be the first to use one, fresh out of the box!


Hey, is that the FBI at my door?
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#17
I use pedals to make my sound because the amps I really want are too expensive for me and what I have genuinely sounds pretty good. No really, I promise!!! But if money wasn't an issue, I'd probably just have an AC30 and a Fireball. More realistically, an RM50 or 100 with Vox and Engl modules. Even more realistically would be an Engl E530, but then I'd still need a pedal for the Vox cleans. After I got that situation sorted out I'd just have a reverb and delay pedal.
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#18



Plus my amp (AC30) has Reverb and Tremolo

The Boss DD-7 and Digitech Hardwire TL-2 are no longer there though.
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I like pedals, they are great. That being said, it is kinda ridicolus to see a pretty new player with a huge pedalboard that he doesnt use, or uses it to improve the tone of a shitty amp. I knew a guy that had a crappy MG and a pedalboard with about 20 cheap pedals. He switched them on and off for every single song, and it always sounded horrible.


agree and much like the guy that just knows he has to have a 100 watt head and 4x12 bottom to play his basement cuz you can't get the br00tlz otherwise this is a waste. pedals won't magically make a shit amp into a tone monster. used wrong fx can make even the best rig sound like crap.
#20
I like to have just a good guitar and a good amp. I prefer my sound pure/raw, and I like the dynamics as direct and responsive as possible. But I do use a chorus and a delay sometimes for those lush 80s solo sounds.
#22
My main playing, before I had to move back to Nevada, was Jam band type stuff.
Play at a party, some warehouse, backyard, whatever.
The only constants in the "band" was me a fellow guitarist I have known since 1981 and this one guy on a Djembe. We did have a semi regular bass player whose main gig was in an Ozzy/Randy tribute band.
Occasionally we would do some cover tunes (Sabbath, SRV, Hendrix), but the majority of the time we just made it up as we went along.
And I liked to have options.
While I used EVERY one of those pedals on that board during those jams, most of the time it was just the dirt pedals (MXR 10 Band is my Always On pedal).
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#23
I like pedals. A lot. In my band I write a lot of songs and it's easy to run empty on ideas some days using just a clean and overdriven sound.

So I like to switch it up and use a capo, or a delay, or a wah, or tremolo from my amp, or whatever. Think I'll try some new tunings next. Something to spur some inspiration. If I could I'd buy some new instruments, but it's too much for me right now.

Unfortunately we're only given so many notes in music, so the only thing we can do is try to make interesting noises with those notes.
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#24
I use pedals to capture certain tones. I don't aim to break artistic barriers and revolutionise guitar playing, I just like to play some covers and jam some blues. Buying a pedal to capture a certain tone is satisfying to me, for instance playing Pink Floyd with a phaser or delay feels good because you sound closer to David Gilmour than what you would without effects. Same story with Hendrix and fuzz, wah and vibe pedals.
Really there is no right or wrong, use pedals if it makes you happy or plug straight into your amp if it doesn't
#26
I believe a good amplifier is very important if you are playing electric. Good on-board reverb and the ability to switch it on and off with a footswitch. Also a good clean and dirty channel. That goes such a long way with a good guitar.

I have a bunch of pedals. Somehow I never use them very much. I suppose my favorite would be delay, but that of course is a cousin to reverb. A phaser is cool but are you going to use that on every song? Always comes back to the amp, the guitar and your fingers.
#27
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The more I play the more effects I strip out of the board
It just depends on the gig though but nowadays I shoot for bare minimum.


this for sure. i had a ton of stuff back in the day and figured i had to have at least 1 of everything on my board. down to 4 pedals and with the possible exception of my overdrive could get by without even those. i do still have a bunch of pedals just in case though.
#29
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all pedals suck

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#30
I say yay to pedals. The clean channel on my amp is a bit flat and lifeless, but with a phaser or flanger in there it sounds quite nice.

On the other hand, I usually prefer distorted tones to be left as natural as possible. I'll never understand metal and rock guitarists who play pretty much pedal-free, only to stamp on the wah when a solo rolls around. It just sounds too fake.
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#31
Horses for courses. If you are using pedals because you can't play or write a song then forshame; practise your art more. I don't use many pedals at all any more but they do have a place and a time. The only time they suck is when they are being used to compensate for shitty playing and/or writing.
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#32
Guitars have changed drastically over the past century. Guitars, stomp effects, and amps when used together are somewhat a whole new instrument/voicing compared to much older, traditional guitar uses. Effects pedals somewhat created their own sect of guitar music.

Stompboxes are straight rad, yo.
#33
i guess i have a different take on it, why wouldn't play electric guitar through a guitar amplifier be considered as an 'effect'? it has a particular sound that is different than an acoustic.

i have seen many people say something like 'a good amp is necessary', but there are players that don't even use traditional guitar amps and still get good sounds using nothing but 'effects'.

i personally see nothing wrong with using effect pedals, even if someone doesn't ever turn the effect off or they can't write a song without the effect. doesn't mean i'd prefer to listen to it, just means i see nothing wrong with it.

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Horses for courses. If you are using pedals because you can't play or write a song then forshame; practise your art more. I don't use many pedals at all any more but they do have a place and a time. The only time they suck is when they are being used to compensate for shitty playing and/or writing.


what is this magical effects pedal out there makes someone a better guitarist? i keep hearing about it but i have yet to encounter it.

if you can play and write a song with effects then what does it matter? the way i see it is that the tools for song writing aren't relevant, writing the song is. should i be considered a bad song writer because i can't play piano? i'd rather judge the writer based on the finished product rather than the tools that person used to make it.

if you are a performing musician being paid to play guitar (a professional), then you'd probably better be well versed at many aspects of playing guitar. especially if you are a studio musician or some paid to tour for a band, but that is a whole different type of concept.
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#35
A good song should stand on its own merits, regardless of what it is played on. I guess that's why I don't like post-rock.
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#36
Quote by Cathbard
A good song should stand on its own merits, regardless of what it is played on. I guess that's why I don't like post-rock.


i get floored listening to Django Reinhardt, Omar Rodriguez or Frank Zappa. i think Zappa is who really forced me to abandoned my prejudices on what [good] music is, he is no-holds-barred when it comes to instrumentation and song writing.

i just can't in good conscious impose my own pre-conceived notions on what instrumentation a good song should have anymore after listening to him.
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#37
As I said right at the start, "horses for courses."
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#38
Quote by Rensa
I'm interested what do you think about guitar players that base their sound on effects pedals.

And if any of you are purists, why? There are many sonic experimentations waiting for you, but you still stick to that classic ac/dc tone.

Reverb, Delay, Modulations, Octave Pedals?


Effects pedals are just tools. Like the tools? Use the tools. It really is that simple. I have full respect for guys like David Gilmour that "tone shape" with 100 pedals, guys like Albert Lee who just plug straight in, and every great player in between. Choose your weapon and make epic music. There is only shame in guys who suck at their craft, pedals or not.
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#39
Quote by Cathbard
As I said right at the start, "horses for courses."


this thread is about pedals not horses you silly man.
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#40
Quote by gumbilicious
i guess i have a different take on it, why wouldn't play electric guitar through a guitar amplifier be considered as an 'effect'? it has a particular sound that is different than an acoustic.

i have seen many people say something like 'a good amp is necessary', but there are players that don't even use traditional guitar amps and still get good sounds using nothing but 'effects'.

i personally see nothing wrong with using effect pedals, even if someone doesn't ever turn the effect off or they can't write a song without the effect. doesn't mean i'd prefer to listen to it, just means i see nothing wrong with it.


what is this magical effects pedal out there makes someone a better guitarist? i keep hearing about it but i have yet to encounter it.

if you can play and write a song with effects then what does it matter? the way i see it is that the tools for song writing aren't relevant, writing the song is. should i be considered a bad song writer because i can't play piano? i'd rather judge the writer based on the finished product rather than the tools that person used to make it.

if you are a performing musician being paid to play guitar (a professional), then you'd probably better be well versed at many aspects of playing guitar. especially if you are a studio musician or some paid to tour for a band, but that is a whole different type of concept.

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