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#1
Hey all,

I'm looking to buy a Les Paul to go with my jazzmaster, and was wondering whether anyone has suggestions for different manufacturers aside from Gibson?

Price range: $1500 - $2500 AU (In Australia)

I don't mind new or used, prefer new (would like a honey-burst)
Mostly likely used for rock/blues ala Zep/Junior Kimborough

This is the closet I can find to something that I want

http://www.tokaiguitarsaustralia.com.au/tokai_vintage_lp_style_ls_98f.html

But if you can find something better I'm open to suggestions!
#2
I've heard good things about Electra Omegas. The brand was recently revived and the guitars look and sound killer. Probably picking one up in the next few months myself.
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#3
The Japanese makers like Tokai, Edwards, Burny, etc. make nice LPs in a variety of classic finishes- you should be able to find one that works.

Casting a wider net, check out builders like Hagstrom, Godin, Electra and Reverend.

Of those, I own guitars by the last 2. Hagstrom and Godin have a variety of LPclones, hardtails and trems, HBs & P90s. Godin even has one- the Icon2 Convertible- that has those Seymour Duncan P-Rails which can deliver singlecoil, P90 & HB tones.

My Electra is the Omega Prime, a blinker version of the Omega. Nice feel, nice contours, and most importantly, nice tones.

The Reverends LPclones I own are a Roundhouse (discontinued) and a Rick Vito signature hardtail. The Roundhouse is a classic HB guitar, though it is slightly small-bodied compared to the Gibsons & Epis. In this, it is like the LPclones produced by DBZ, Fernandes, and Dean Zelinzky's Private Label (all good, but most feature higher output pickups).

The Rick Vito has non-traditional art-deco styling, and features a neck P90 and a Supro-style oversized singlecoil in the bridge. Huge tone. The hardtails range from $900-1400 if you can find them, but the only ones in production right now feature a Bigsby.
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#4
Quote by dannyalcatraz
The Japanese makers like Tokai, Edwards, Burny, etc. make nice LPs in a variety of classic finishes- you should be able to find one that works.

Casting a wider net, check out builders like Hagstrom, Godin, Electra and Reverend.

Of those, I own guitars by the last 2. Hagstrom and Godin have a variety of LPclones, hardtails and trems, HBs & P90s. Godin even has one- the Icon2 Convertible- that has those Seymour Duncan P-Rails which can deliver singlecoil, P90 & HB tones.

My Electra is the Omega Prime, a blinker version of the Omega. Nice feel, nice contours, and most importantly, nice tones.

The Reverends LPclones I own are a Roundhouse (discontinued) and a Rick Vito signature hardtail. The Roundhouse is a classic HB guitar, though it is slightly small-bodied compared to the Gibsons & Epis. In this, it is like the LPclones produced by DBZ, Fernandes, and Dean Zelinzky's Private Label (all good, but most feature higher output pickups).

The Rick Vito has non-traditional art-deco styling, and features a neck P90 and a Supro-style oversized singlecoil in the bridge. Huge tone. The hardtails range from $900-1400 if you can find them, but the only ones in production right now feature a Bigsby.


I'm curious about the Omega's pickups. I was going to get the Ceruse Omega Prime. Are they vintage, medium or high output?
Gibson RD Silverburst w/ Lace Dissonant Aggressors (SOLD)
Electra Omega Prime Ceruse
Fender Franken-Jag Bass

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Seismic Luke 2x12
Dunlop 105Q Wah
Gojira FX 808
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#6
He's in Australia- Carvins aren't that good a bargain outside the USA.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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#7
Thanks for the reply so far guys. Yeah, I figured Japanese was probably my best bet, I did check out reverend but the only thing I can find within distance to play would probably be http://www.musicswopshop.com.au/SwoppyItems.aspx?search=reverend

And I'm not sure how LPish that is haha. There are a few second hand greco's on that site though, but I'm unsure of the quality of them etc..
#8
Quote by TheStig1214
I'm curious about the Omega's pickups. I was going to get the Ceruse Omega Prime. Are they vintage, medium or high output?

The Electra MagnaFlux use Alnico V's- I'd call them medium output.
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#9
Quote by Valience
I did check out reverend but the only thing I can find within distance to play would probably be http://www.musicswopshop.com.au/SwoppyItems.aspx?search=reverend

And I'm not sure how LPish that is haha.


Well, the shape is obviously not LPish!

However, Reverends most common HBs tend towards the Gibson-y side. And, with their array of Tone and Base Contour controls, they can get very single-coil like tones without the volume drop you find with some coil-splitting setups.

This has led some Reverend owners to say that they combine the best of Fenders and Gibsons.

FWIW, that "Flatroc" looks more like a 2007-era hardtail Jetstream HB. Fellow UGer JustRooster had a Jetstream HB with a tremolo, and his sentiments echoed that assessment. My Roundhouse, likewise, can achieve surprising twang.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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#10
Yeah, I'm tempted to go in and play it - I'd probably leave with it - But I think I'd still want an LP. My first electric was a prs and it didn't do anything for me because it was almost *too* middle groundy? If that makes any sense, I just don't want to make the same mistake again haha.
#11
I understand perfectly!

That's why I recommended the Japanese clones first.. But if you can't find one of those, the Electras, Hagstroms and Godins would be solid options.

Even though I love my Omega, the Godin might be the non-Japanese option with the most potential. Those P-Rails being able to do P90 & HB tones covers a LOT of classic LP territory.

Ths downside, though, is that Godin visual aesthetics are a little different.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#12
Go for LTD's or ESP's.
Gear:
MXR Super Badass -->
BOSS SD WAZA -->
FENDER CD 140 SCE -->
MXR M300 REVERB -->
TC ELECTRONIC FLASHBACK
ESP EC 401 VF TSB -->
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MILF Tease
#13
Quote by dannyalcatraz
The Electra MagnaFlux use Alnico V's- I'd call them medium output.


Exactly what I want to hear

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these are nice ..... Carvins named changed to kiesel but the same company , semi hollow with or with out sound hole


Carvin didn't change their name to Kiesel, the Kiesel guitars are just the high end line built by Jeff Kiesel himself. They get all the high figure multi ply tops and just more options in general. They also start at $3k USD.
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Electra Omega Prime Ceruse
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Laney VH100R
Seismic Luke 2x12
Dunlop 105Q Wah
Gojira FX 808
Line 6 M9
#14
I just bought a Jazzmaster to accomodate my Les Paul, I have a Gibson Traditional Satin and at the time it was against 70's MIJ Greco's and a couple of Edwards as well. When I played them side by side the Gibson killed them in terms of playability and sound but it really is subjective. Traditionals come up all the time for 2k or under, some stores in Aus are clearing out older models. Best advice I can give is play as many as you can, you'll find the one that feels right!

Gibson Les Paul Traditional Satin
Fender 72' Thinline Telecaster
Fender Am Telecaster
Bad Cat HotCat 30R



Korg Pitchblack
Xotic BB Preamp
TC Flashback X4
Strymon Timeline
EHX POG 2
JHS Double Barrel
#15
Find a pre-lawsuit Ibanez LP.

A friend of mine has two of them and I am helplessly in love with them.
Cry yourself to ash
#16
Is there a reason you are opposed to Gibson? I've always been a Fender guy and my main guitar is a CIJ Jazzmaster and I just picked up a Les Paul Traditional Pro in a trade and expected to not like it at all and was just going to flip or trade it. I absolutely fell in love with it though and it's all I play these days and I've never been a Gibson guy. That's in your price range and is modeled after the 50s neck (I believe) and it so comfortable and sounds amazing and so fodder end than my Jazzmaster. It's funny how a lot of us are pairing the two.
#18
I second what waldorphprs41 said. Any reason why you are avoiding Gibson? I also recently acquired a Traditional Pro (II) and was not sure I would live the modern weight relief and added features. I have a LP standard from the 90s (heavy as a tank) so I was skeptical.

Like waldorph, I was blown away with the new Gibson. Feels great, plays great, sounds great and priced reasonably compared to the standards. Is the reason you are avoiding Gibson because they are more expensive where you live?
#19
Quote by Seriden
I second what waldorphprs41 said. Any reason why you are avoiding Gibson? I also recently acquired a Traditional Pro (II) and was not sure I would live the modern weight relief and added features. I have a LP standard from the 90s (heavy as a tank) so I was skeptical.

Like waldorph, I was blown away with the new Gibson. Feels great, plays great, sounds great and priced reasonably compared to the standards. Is the reason you are avoiding Gibson because they are more expensive where you live?

That's awesome, mine is still so heavy though haha. I just got used to it.
#20
Quote by Seriden
Is the reason you are avoiding Gibson because they are more expensive where you live?


Thanks for all the replies guys! Surprising my Jazzmaster is a CIJ as well,

Yes, the 2015 range of Gibsons are waay above my price range. Although, the 2014 trad series would fit there, but I haven't seen too many of them around since mid-last year. Trying to find some time to go down to the Tokai distributor factory and play a bunch, so I have something to compare with, if I do find a used Gibson or something.

Unrelated, but my Jazzy is vintage radius and frets - How do you guys handle transitioning between the two?
#21
A few minutes warmup is all I need, but I bet it differs for everyone.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#22
All my guitars are so different so it's just whatever I pick up, I get used to pretty quickly. It's never been an issues. I regularly switch between my Jazzmaster, a Rickenbacker 360, and the Les Paul. All very different necks and feels but it hasn't been an issue to me at least.
#23
Try Heritage guitars
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#24
Heritage guitars are awesome, but they're going to be at least as pricey as Gibsons. Maybe even moreso outside the USA.
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Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#25
#26
I had an old 78 Electra lawsuit (Ibanez factory) LP for a few years. Really solid guitar. Should have never got rid of it. I have tried a few Tokai LPs that really blew me away. Their better models have their Japanese PAFs, which sound pretty lawsuit worthy to me. If I was going to stray away from Gibson I'd probably get a Tokai UL of whatever price I could afford.
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Agile AL-3100

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#27
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Heritage guitars are awesome, but they're going to be at least as pricey as Gibsons. Maybe even moreso outside the USA.


They're actually still cheaper than the equivalent Gibsons
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#28
I can highly recommend Edwards, got a e-lp98ltc in cherry burst and it's one of the best guitars I ever played, keeps up nicely with my american fender stratocaster 62 reiussed.
Since the ebay prices are quite ridiculous on them I would recommend Ishibashi, they even have a used guitars for sale aswell if you want to save money. Just remember to look at import duties. http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/u_box/e/

Also if you decide on it, if it doesn't have any flaws in the text and you can't see any in the picture, write to them they have a really good customer service and it saved me from buying one with a really nasty scratch.
#29
I'd go with a Gibson Traditional. It comes with the 57 Classic pickups which are amazing, and those are the sound for the music you wanna do. Plus they come in honey burst finish! (that's what I have) and you save a bit of money compared to the standard, for not much loss of features (weight relief being the main one)
If your only option is Tokai, those are great guitars as well. You will be happy with it, I had an older Tokai LP that was a 59' Reissue model. It played nicely, and was brimming with tone and character
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#30
Quote by trashbeast
I'd go with a Gibson Traditional. It comes with the 57 Classic pickups which are amazing, and those are the sound for the music you wanna do. Plus they come in honey burst finish! (that's what I have) and you save a bit of money compared to the standard, for not much loss of features (weight relief being the main one)
If your only option is Tokai, those are great guitars as well. You will be happy with it, I had an older Tokai LP that was a 59' Reissue model. It played nicely, and was brimming with tone and character


tbh gibson's own pickups to me have always been abit meeehh just about any PAF by SD seems on a whole other level.
#31
Quote by TheStig1214
Exactly what I want to hear


Carvin didn't change their name to Kiesel, the Kiesel guitars are just the high end line built by Jeff Kiesel himself. They get all the high figure multi ply tops and just more options in general. They also start at $3k USD.



And you can't order them lefty!! FML
#32
Quote by RyanMW2010
And you can't order them lefty!! FML


Really?! My buddy's lefty and he goes to Carvin for his guitars specifically because they do lefties at no upcharge. He got himself a LP with an EMG81/60 set, neck thru, stainless steel frets, purple burst quilt top for around $1500 USD.

Also worth mentioning Carvin's LP shape is significantly undersized. Like even smaller than an ESP EC.
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Electra Omega Prime Ceruse
Fender Franken-Jag Bass

Amps and the like:
Laney VH100R
Seismic Luke 2x12
Dunlop 105Q Wah
Gojira FX 808
Line 6 M9
#34
Quote by Seriden
I second what waldorphprs41 said. Any reason why you are avoiding Gibson? I also recently acquired a Traditional Pro (II) and was not sure I would live the modern weight relief and added features. I have a LP standard from the 90s (heavy as a tank) so I was skeptical.

Like waldorph, I was blown away with the new Gibson. Feels great, plays great, sounds great and priced reasonably compared to the standards. Is the reason you are avoiding Gibson because they are more expensive where you live?


I personally avoid Gibson if my budget is under $3500. Above that, they generally do a good job. Below that, it's not so much that they don't as that there are a lot of better options. They may not be available in Oz, but for me they are.

For as much as I love Les Pauls, there are things I don't love. One is the neck heel, another is the lack of a tummy cut, another is the lack of a flatter radius or jumbo frets if I want them. Finish choices are minimal, neck profile choices are as well. Last time I went LP hunting, I couldn't find anything short of $4K with the options I'd hoped for that didn't have titty pink binding and plastics. I generally dislike nitrocellulose lacquer as a finish, but that's all Gibson has. And finally, given the pricing, I can get a better guitar for less money. I don't care about "bullet point" features such as coil taps, phase switches (I can always add them for almost no money), and I'm not even remotely interested in a gizmo that will tune the guitar for me. Unfortunately, I can't get away from that any more without spending over $3500. It's difficult to get a solid body LP with any options; everything's weight relieved, chambered, cheesed. Gibson doesn't have stainless frets.

If I ignore Gibson under $3500 altogether, I lose absolutely nothing; I gain. I can find guitars with ebony fretboards and real MOP inlays and neck-through construction and solid bodies and Axcess-style shaved neck heels and tummy cuts and neck profile options and fretboard fret choices and radius choices and inlay choices and even scale choices as well as number-of-fret (want 24?) choices and I can get at least two different kinds of trem on it (not counting Bigsbys which, to me, are more like chrome on a 58 Buick -- not particularly functional, but pretty to look at). I can get far better woods and a host of choices of wood and finish.

The real question, if the budget is under $3500, is not "why avoid Gibson" but "why bother?"
#35
Quote by RyanMW2010
And you can't order them lefty!! FML


You can get them lefty.
Trust me.

Virtually everything that Carvin has built has been available lefty, and the new ones will be no different. There's no issue for them, since the bodies are essentially all but completed via CNC.
#36
Quote by dspellman
...titty pink binding and plastics. ...


Hahaha, It looks a million times worse when it's brand new and the lacquer hasn't aged enough to alter the color yet. I totally passed on a white SG a few years ago despite and awesome price because of this.
#37
titty pink binding and plastics


Sounds like an aisle at an adult toys store.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#38
So, taking all the advice from this thread, I think I've got something that covers both viewpoints on going the Gibson or MIJ route . It's currently on layby (Bloody bank, had my withdrawl limit set too low) So I'll do a NGD soon.

Any takers on guessing what I got?

Edit: Danny no spoiling it!
Last edited by Valience at Mar 13, 2015,
#39
IT'S A GUITAR!!!


(Sorry, couldn't help myself!)
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#40
I am curious about what you finally settled on. Just as curious to see how long it takes you to buy your next guitar after this one.......
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