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#1
i was once the sort of dude to swear by elements of style. i knew it was ridiculous but i insisted on it. i even recommended a friend get a copy when i personally didn't believe a word in it.

there's something fishy here. it wasn't the bible and i didn't go to the church of strunk&white. but nonetheless it somehow mattered to me just as correct english clearly matters to others, especially on the internet. i wonder why?

why do internet users get so irate when you end a sentence in a preposition?

why do they talk so badly about "ain't"?

why would they have cried out if i made the title of this thread "correct english grammer" rather than "correct english grammer, syntax, and usage"?

why did everyone bother getting so mad about "winston tastes good like a cigarette should"?

i'm not asking why these things are perceived to be mistakes. i'm asking why anyone cares. do you care? share you thoughts about "grammar naziism" and associated phenomena.*

*if i wrote "phenomenons" would that have bothered you?
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#2
Why don't you capitalize anything smh
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#3
I have noticed your use of the Oxford comma in your title. Noted and treated with contempt, my friend.
#5
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I have noticed your use of the Oxford comma in your title. Noted and treated with contempt, my friend.


this is at least regarded as a stylistic choice, yeah? why is not so for splitting infinitives or likewise? at least as news article commenters are concerned, it's strictly wrong and these days i'm trying to figure out wth that means
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#6
It's all about the "haha look how smart I am, internet". Something you're familiar with.
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#7
I'm more a fan of, the Brockman comma
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#8
It's because some people want to feel superior over others, especially in an anonymous Internet setting. It's easy to say "haha you're dumb for not getting the grammar correct" than to let it go. Oftentimes others, I guess, genuinely get upset over such misspellings and grammar misuse but I, on the other hand, don't care.

The sentences above might be grammatically incorrect but idgf
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#9
Quote by Eastwinn
this is at least regarded as a stylistic choice, yeah? why is not so for splitting infinitives or likewise? at least as news article commenters are concerned, it's strictly wrong and these days i'm trying to figure out wth that means

My university advised us in the department handbook not to split infinitives in our essays, but yeah, I think that's an archaic stylistic choice.

Same thing with the Oxford comma, I suppose. Not allowed at my uni but generally acceptable in formal writing in society.

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I'm more a fan of, the Brockman comma

I'm, more of a fan, of the, Walken, comma.

Or Stevie from Malcolm In The Middle's speech pattern.
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#10
"Not allowed at my uni"

but like what
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#11
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"Not allowed at my uni"

but like what

My department* then (it was an essay-based subject)

Wouldn't like to generalise (I'm sure the Business department was a grammatical rule a la carte ), but we certainly had very precise grammatical rules. Many of which would seem archaic to most folk.

Not that I was any good at following them
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#12
Proscriptive grammar is stupid.

I'm kinda whatever about grammar and syntax. I'm no e.e. cummings, but I like a comfortable middle ground.
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#13
It bothers me because it is just lazy. I mean, is it THAT difficult to hit shift at the start of a sentence? What comes off as an utter contempt for any effort or thought bothers me in any area of life, particularly driving. If they are a lazy writer they are likely a lazy driver and should promptly be buried without a headstone.

Short story: Bad grammar indicates laziness or thoughtlessness, both of which make me bro-mad
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#15
I don't understand the stigma against splitting infinitives, since I'm hearing about that for the first time. Can someone explain?
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#16
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It bothers me because it is just lazy. I mean, is it THAT difficult to hit shift at the start of a sentence? What comes off as an utter contempt for any effort or thought bothers me in any area of life, particularly driving. If they are a lazy writer they are likely a lazy driver and should promptly be buried without a headstone.

Short story: Bad grammar indicates laziness or thoughtlessness, both of which make me bro-mad

im so sorry u feel that way
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#18
A professor gave me that book years ago, fun read. I agree with most of it
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#22
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I have noticed your use of the Oxford comma in your title. Noted and treated with contempt, my friend.

only pretentious nerds call it the oxford comma, it's a serial comma

OT: I'm more of an E.E. Cummings guy
#23
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I don't understand the stigma against splitting infinitives, since I'm hearing about that for the first time. Can someone explain?


the infinite of, say, "go", is supposedly to go as a unit. to split it would mean to shove an adverb between to and go like "to boldly go".

opposition appeared seemingly out of nowhere in the 19th century. the rule is presumably for making native english sound more like english translations of latin. in latin, the infinitive is inflected on the verb and there is no "to verb" construction.

had a book on this within arm's reach
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#24
I type the way I talk. I use grammar to articulate my ideas. I know that other folks aren't fond of doing this. I really don't care about what others' motives are for the way they type. That's pretty much all I have to say on the matter.
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the infinite of, say, "go", is supposedly to go as a unit. to split it would mean to shove an adverb between to and go like "to boldly go".

opposition appeared seemingly out of nowhere in the 19th century. the rule is presumably for making native english sound more like english translations of latin. in latin, the infinitive is inflected on the verb and there is no "to verb" construction.

had a book on this within arm's reach


I'm a bit jelly, what book is that

Although I don't correct or care about proscribed grammar, I do like knowing it
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#27
it's called Bad English by Ammon Shea

pretty funny book. tries to be impartial at first, ends up being anti-proscription.
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#28
I don't care about people's grammar in informal settings unless they are trying to act superior or insist they are right about it.

My grammar in speech (my speech skills in general, actually, but that's not relevant) really suck because I am exposed to a number of different languages and dialects every day and they all creep in and mess with my English. Unless I am writing formally or interviewing or something like that, I don't bother trying to be "correct" because my manner of speaking is just as good as anyone else's.

PS if you are interested I'm reading a really good book about bilingualism now
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#29
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tries to be impartial at first, ends up being anti-proscription.

#30
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PS if you are interested I'm reading a really good book about bilingualism now

That's one "bi" I am not curious about

(jk though, I'm actually very interested in speaking multiple languages and will soon pursue the study of them)

((But I'm still not interested in the book sorry))
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#31
Oxford comma or die.
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#32
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Or Stevie from Malcolm In The Middle's speech pattern.


I feel like
tortilla
was talking
like Stevie the
whole time
but we just
never realized it
If you do something right, no one will know you've done anything at all

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#34
I try to be as correct as possible, but it's not really bothersome when others say something "wrong" as long as that person can be easily understood.
#35
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for sure
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#36
but grammar matters sometimes....










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#37
yeah it's interesting why it's such a big deal to some who aren't english teachers. people will be like "english is collapsing in front of us!!" as their go-to without really understanding what they mean. sure it does change meaning sometimes and more likely changes not so much the meaning of the sentence but how it's perceived (intelligent/not, friendly, formal, etc) but i think people being super picky about it in weird settings is based on a natural tendency to adhere to and enforce the rules they know while still seeming smart in the process. sometimes people think it's just kinda fun to correct people too. maybe you could make an argument for being unsettled at norms being broken or whatever lol /obnoxious paragraph

but i don't think both enforcing them and not abiding by the rules are a big deal generally, just don't get too crazy and we're cool
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#38
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for sure


Bilingual: life and reality by François Grosjean. This one is aimed at the layperson so it's a quick and easy read, and he has also written a more academic book on the same subject which I would like to read next.
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