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#1
Robots are gonna take your job.

Self-driving cars are going to **** over everyone in the transportation industry. Overworked fast food employees will be replaced by computers that are cheaper than full-time minimum wages. Office work is becoming more and more automated. You've probably read news articles written by a machine and didn't even notice.

Will there come a time when there aren't enough jobs for everyone? What will happen then?
#2
If a robot without a brain can take my job, then maybe that just shows how shit I am at my job.

I hardly think a Robot is able to do research though.
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I'll become a robot.
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#4
Once We have reached the required level of automation and lack of need for HR, We will enact the Final Phase for the New World Order and -- I've said too much...
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#5
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I'll just use one of these:
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#6
new technology=new industries, historically anyway.

hopefully what ends up happening is automation takes over the boring jobs and then everyone can do cool stuff (there will be an actual economic incentive for that finally) and then human progress accelerates. /optimism
#7
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new technology=new industries, historically anyway.

hopefully what ends up happening is automation takes over the boring jobs and then everyone can do cool stuff (there will be an actual economic incentive for that finally) and then human progress accelerates. /optimism

This would be the case in an ideal world, but not everybody has it in them to do useful research or produce great works of art. While some talents may arise, the idea that every truck driver could become the next Nikola Tesla is unlikely.

Even if your job cannot be replaced, you'll still have to live in a society with the highest unemployment rate since the great depression. What will happen to the cost of living? Will wealth disparity be worse than it is now?

It'll be a new industrial revolution. I like to think it'll all work out but I can't even imagine what life will be like afterwards.
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#10
Hopefully, the world is destroyed in mutually assured nuclear destruction before that happens.

In reality, though, I would probably just go live in the wilderness and roam the planet. I mean, why not?
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#12
Machines will never fully replace people in the workforce. You still need someone to repair the machines because parts will wear down and need replacing, still need someone to set/calibrate the machines, still need designers to design whatever is being made, still need someone to work out the costing of the machines and how to run the production line and the logistics of it all. That's looking from a manufacturing viewpoint, I dunno how other industries will hold up/develop

that too
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#13
There already aren't enough jobs for everyone
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#14
Sterilise the population so there are enough jobs for everyone.
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Machines will never fully replace people in the workforce. You still need someone to repair the machines because parts will wear down and need replacing, still need someone to set/calibrate the machines, still need designers to design whatever is being made, still need someone to work out the costing of the machines and how to run the production line and the logistics of it all. That's looking from a manufacturing viewpoint, I dunno how other industries will hold up/develop

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there will be a robot for all that.
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Machines will never fully replace people in the workforce. You still need someone to repair the machines because parts will wear down and need replacing, still need someone to set/calibrate the machines, still need designers to design whatever is being made, still need someone to work out the costing of the machines and how to run the production line and the logistics of it all. That's looking from a manufacturing viewpoint, I dunno how other industries will hold up/develop

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vv

This.

Anyone afraid of not getting a job later should want to become a technician, electrical engineer, computer scientist or something in Human-robot interaction. Or a nurse, since it has become clear that machines won't be completely taking over healthcare since human contact is still a vital and irreplaceable element in caring for patients and robotics will likely just become a tool for nurses, not a replacement in most cases. I don't see us going so dystopian to neglect that.
#19
Machines will do all the work. People will have endless free time to do whatever they want. Machines will make enough food and all the stuff they need or want for free, because money is no longer needed. There are no worries and everybody is happy.
#20
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Machines will do all the work. People will have endless free time to do whatever they want. Machines will make enough food and all the stuff they need or want for free, because money is no longer needed. There are no worries and everybody is happy.

good one
#22
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there will be a robot for all that.


Robots that could do all that would be insanely expensive and no company would ever bother to build/buy one when you can just train people to do that at 1/100th of the cost... and what happens when that robot needs repairing? All mechanical parts fail over time due to fatigue, all robots/machines that have actual parts will need servicing.Plus there's a reason nobody has tried to make a robot that can repair cars or themselves, because its pretty damm hard. We're talking several decades, maybe hundreds of years until robots are at that stage, a lot of other changes will happen in society and industry before then, so its kind of impossible to judge what will happen

I get that you're probably joking too
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#23
this would be nice:
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everyone working normal jobs works shorter hours so more people can have a job, people on the cutting edge continue doing their work out of curiosity and excitement (and if they don't have it, slower progress, no big deal), everyone gets more leisure time.
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#25
The basic structure of first world societies, overall, needs to change to a more socialist direction as a result. Having no job must be socially acceptable. If we do not get an automation technology revolution overnight (changing all industries at once), the change can be more gradual and less painful for non-progressive people
#26
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there will be a robot for all that.


this. you're all just meat machines.

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If a robot without a brain can take my job, then maybe that just shows how shit I am at my job.

I hardly think a Robot is able to do research though.


researchers are just meat machines. research is just an attempt to find a valid theory within a search space of competing theories. search problems are the main focus of AI.

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artists are just meat machines. bots are already writing novels and music.


over the long run (perhaps not in our lifetimes), yes robots will take all the jobs.

things to consider within our own lifetime: midterm future there will be a skills shortage due to baby boomers finally retiring. this should drive unemployment down.

longer-term: low-skill jobs being automated away is nothing new but the pace at which this happens will be unprecedented with the advent of the general purpose robot and self-driving cars. in addition, AI is beginning to automate tasks done by white-collar workers and professions as well: journalists, paralegals, computer programmers, financial advisors, travel agents, doctors, etc.

this will put upward pressure on unemployment. it is true that technology will create new industries but we need to also consider that it will make older ones obsolete and that new industries do not employ as many people per their contribution to gdp; a company making as much as facebook or google a few decades back would have employed far more people. today's jobs which employ the most people are those which have been with us a long time.

the broader historical trend shows us that there is a significantly decreased need for labour over time. go back a century or two ago and labour participation was practically universal and people worked twelve hour days six days a week. the labour participation rate today is around 62%. we can't even address unemployment as it is, could you imagine the unemployment problems we would have if we had to employ everyone (ie take everyone out of school and retirement and so on) and for 72 hours a week at that.

we were able to drop down to a 40 hour work week while enjoying a greater standard of living because we have benefited from the gains in productivity. however, that hasn't been the case in several decades.

https://thecurrentmoment.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/productivity-and-real-wages.jpg

a simple way of addressing unemployment would be to diminish the work week, while maintaining or ameliorating our standard of living, and thus spread out the work. yet, we can only do that if we can harness the gains in productivity which technology is making possible.
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#27
I think about this a lot, and the topic has come up here before.

I anticipate that the technological progress driven by capitalism will ultimately give way to a blend of more capitalism and socialism, in which everyone will be provided a living stipend. Those who choose (not need, but choose) to work can do so, and be afforded luxury over the basic standards of living.

I predict a dramatic increase in the entertainment/arts sector, as there will be more time for leisure than ever before. Many people may choose to take up some form of artistic recreation just because they'll be able to. And obviously, still a dramatic increase in demand for skills in programming, computer, and robotics.

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#29
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researchers are just meat machines. research is just an attempt to find a valid theory within a search space of competing theories. search problems are the main focus of AI.


How does a robot find this search space of competing theories on its own?
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#30
Once we develop a completely renewable source of energy and automate a large percentage of jobs we will be left to relax and enjoy life.
#31
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If a robot without a brain can take my job, then maybe that just shows how shit I am at my job.

I hardly think a Robot is able to do research though.

For the majority of people automation will leave their skills redundant because they will be performed better by computers and robots. There's not very many places automation will leave untouched and these areas of work are very small compared to the size of the population who rely on their skills to give them purpose and earn a living. Not everyone can be a research scientist or a philosopher because not everyone has the capacity to do so.
#32
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How does a robot find this search space of competing theories on its own?


Assume a large enough search space which includes nonsensical and unrelated theories.

Words can be represented as vectors with which one can perform analogical reasoning through vector addition and subtraction (the vector for king - the vector for man + the vector for woman = the vector for queen). This capacity to do analogical reasoning this way shows that the vectors encompass semantic meaning. This concept is being extended to sentences, paragraphs, and whole documents.

Then generate a hypothesis from the semantic content of the vectors by using higher order logic.

Computationally infeasible at this point but over a long enough period of time...
#33
We build an ASI (artificial super intelligence) and hope to god (at this point, the ASI will be god) it doesn't smite our asses. Money becomes obsolete. Current social/political/economic structures become obsolete. Humans no longer spend their lives working to make a living. They work to better themselves and humanity. Creativity soars.

In collaboration with the ASI, we learn how to manipulate atoms (nanotech but smaller). We become gods ourselves with the ability to travel at speeds greater than light to new planets within our galaxy and galaxies unknown. We no longer die.

Humans spread like a disease throughout the universe. They no longer own houses, but own planets. They engineer entire galaxies and sentient species for fun and experimentation. When they grow bored, they upload their consciousness to the singularity until the time comes for them to inhabit a new body.

After this process becomes stale, we create a new universe within our own universe and live many lives as a new sentient species on it's way to godhood. The process then repeats itself.
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#36
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#37
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longer-term: low-skill jobs being automated away is nothing new but the pace at which this happens will be unprecedented with the advent of the general purpose robot and self-driving cars. in addition, AI is beginning to automate tasks done by white-collar workers and professions as well: journalists, paralegals, computer programmers, financial advisors, travel agents, doctors, etc.


to clarify, this is moreso a reference to the baxter robot than to some irobot shit. general purpose robots are not science fiction.
#38
I've already lost 2 jobs to technology. But I also got 2 jobs because of technology, so i guess I'll have to try to stay ahead is all.
#39
what do you do when your empire gets conquered? filter into the new empire as second-class citizens


we'll be prostitutes and carnival workers for dem robots
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#40
Even work has already begun to acknowledge our greater leisure time. It's not uncommon for employers to focus on your hobbies and extra-curricular activities, particularly because no one these days work all the time. Maybe machines will replace human labour, but definitely not in the interim, or I'd wager in our lifetime.
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