#1
Hey guys, looking for a $500 amp for jamming/recording purposes. I don't gig so volume isn't needed. I'm looking for something quiet enough to be cranked up to achieve distortion while still not bothering my family. I'm looking for sounds from Led Zeppelin, Angus Young, etc all the way to the modern rock and punk bands like Three Days Grace, Four Year Strong (think Orange amps), etc

I'm eyeing the Marshall DSL5C atm. It has a 1w feature and seems to be what I'm looking for, but I've yet to try it out. Any other amps that might fit what I'm looking for? My guitar teacher was talking about getting the 15w Marshall just in case I do need extra volume but I don't think I'll be playing gigs.
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If you're looking new, I'd take the 20w Peavey Valveking Micro head +cab (not necessarily the VK cab) over the DSL15. If used, an Egnater Rebel 20 may be perfect for you if you can find one. The Rebel is versatile in every sense but it's crunchy, mid-gain growl is where it shines the most, imo. I thought the DSL15 sounded better than the internet says it does but with $500 you could get a much better, used, amp.
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If you're looking new, I'd take the 20w Peavey Valveking Micro head +cab (not necessarily the VK cab) over the DSL15. If used, an Egnater Rebel 20 may be perfect for you if you can find one. The Rebel is versatile in every sense but it's crunchy, mid-gain growl is where it shines the most, imo. I thought the DSL15 sounded better than the internet says it does but with $500 you could get a much better, used, amp.


Cool, new is prefered but I'll go used if it's worth it. The rebel 20 looks awesome, does the tone hold up well when taking the watts down?
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Cool, new is prefered but I'll go used if it's worth it. The rebel 20 looks awesome, does the tone hold up well when taking the watts down?

The Rebel will sound very good at tv volume. There's a Watts knob that's not actually an attenuater but if its dialed off it's crunchier at lower volume and if maxed its cleaner. Also, it stays cleaner using all four power tubes. Pulling it all the way to the el84 side makes a better quiet crunchy tone. All the way to the 6v6 side softens the tone a bit which can be good for clean tones with a neck pup (unless you're playing loud). But when you have the opportunity to crank it and play some rock & roll, it'll make you proud. It covers a lot of ground, with class.

And it'll work with any cab.
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I don't gig so volume isn't needed. I'm looking for something quiet enough to be cranked up to achieve distortion while still not bothering my family.
Thing is, if you crank a 1w amp using a relatively small tube (EL84 or 6V6) you are gonna get a sound that's plenty loud anyway and not distorted enough for what you want to do.

You're gonna get fuzz before you get the distortion you want, and your family's gonna hear you very clearly.
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I'm looking for sounds from Led Zeppelin, Angus Young, etc all the way to the modern rock and punk bands like Three Days Grace, Four Year Strong (think Orange amps), etc
A DSL401 seems like the obvious choice to me here.

The sounds you're looking for are more pre distortion that power amp distortion, so to get these tones you simply turn the pre gain up and then you turn the master volume knob so that you have yourself the sound you want at the volume you want.

Everything sounds better at higher volumes and smaller amps don't sound better than bigger amps at lower volumes just 'cause they're smaller.
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Then read it again, 'cause you evidently didn't pay enough attention.
Thing is, if you crank a 1w amp using a relatively small tube (EL84 or 6V6) you are gonna get a sound that's plenty loud anyway and not distorted enough for what you want to do.

You're gonna get fuzz before you get the distortion you want, and your family's gonna hear you very clearly.
A DSL401 seems like the obvious choice to me here.

The sounds you're looking for are more pre distortion that power amp distortion, so to get these tones you simply turn the pre gain up and then you turn the master volume knob so that you have yourself the sound you want at the volume you want.

Everything sounds better at higher volumes and smaller amps don't sound better than bigger amps at lower volumes just 'cause they're smaller.


Thanks. Are there any non-discontinued amps similar to the DLS401 I could try at the store? I'd like to get a feel for how the master volume effects tone.
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^ What amps (brands) does your local store carry?
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Thanks. I haven't tried them, but the egnater tweaker might do a marshallish tone (and it as a master volume/preamp gain control). IIRC one of its settings is meant to sort of imitate a marshall. But I could be wrong.
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Thanks. I haven't tried them, but the egnater tweaker might do a marshallish tone (and it as a master volume/preamp gain control). IIRC one of its settings is meant to sort of imitate a marshall. But I could be wrong.


Cool, I'll check it out.

Just to clear up, this is the Four Year Strong tone I was talking about, that bright, punchy lead tone. One guitarist uses a JCM800 and an OR50 with a Tele (humbucker), and the other uses an Orange Thunderverb and a Soldano Avenger w/ a fat strat and an LP.

Pretty standard bright, high gain tone. Doubt any Marshall will have too much difficulty with this.
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i am not a fan of the tweaker. i think that they are very underwhelming. the switches don't do much more than a properly dialed EQ does in a loop . i had the 15. not for long.
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Orange Tiny Terror is worth a look. Great Brit crunch tone, very useful master volume to get quiet when needed and takes pedals well.

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Cool guys, but do you think the DSL401 could achieve that Orange tone similar to the video? What about the Tiny Terror achieving the famous Marshall tones from the 70s-90s?

Looking for versatility, I'm just not sure how the Orange handles cleaner tones, you never see guys using them for cleaner music.
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Cool guys, but do you think the DSL401 could achieve that Orange tone similar to the video? What about the Tiny Terror achieving the famous Marshall tones from the 70s-90s?

Looking for versatility, I'm just not sure how the Orange handles cleaner tones, you never see guys using them for cleaner music.


that is because the terror doesn't do cleans well. if you don't mind a little dirt they are great you will not get immaculate cleans.
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that is because the terror doesn't do cleans well. if you don't mind a little dirt they are great you will not get immaculate cleans.


As expected. Any thoughts and getting an Orange tone out of a Marshall? They are similar but you can tell the difference.
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As expected. Any thoughts and getting an Orange tone out of a Marshall? They are similar but you can tell the difference.


They can get pretty close. My advice is not to worry too much about "exact" or "perfect" replication of somebody else. Choose a nice tube amp and create your own awesome tone.

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They can get pretty close. My advice is not to worry too much about "exact" or "perfect" replication of somebody else. Choose a nice tube amp and create your own awesome tone.



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As expected. Any thoughts and getting an Orange tone out of a Marshall? They are similar but you can tell the difference.


The Orange has a very distinct throaty mids so I'd say most likely not...one of the reasons why I got a Tiny Terror is because I liked that mids and couldn't get it out of a Marshall. You can get a Marshall tone out of an Orange though, with the right eq pedal or using a Marshall overdrive (Guvnor).
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i use my dual terror all the time. it is pretty nice for low volume playing at night. the mrs. sleeps deeply, but i still don't want to wake her.

fun amp though.
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For Four Year Strong I'd do the TT, or if you can afford it one of the bigger Oranges (I like the OR15 and the TH30 a lot). I don't think that your average Marshall is quite thick enough.
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