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Howdy guys


Long story short, getting rid of my Spider Valve and going to pick up something else more suited for what I want right now. Anywho, I bought the Spider Valve to jam on and be essentially an "everything else" amp (I have an Excelsior that I use for lower gain tones etc...). It's a cool little thing for sure but the advantages of all the FX and amp emulations are almost moot at this point since I've upgraded my pedal collection. Now I just use the SV for metal tones and everything else I'm doing through the Excelsior.


So since the SV is relegated strictly to metal duties (modern metal tones moreso than classic boosted brit tones), I figured I could probably get an amp better suited for the genre and sell the Spider Valve. Ideally, I'd be looking at something like the 6505+ combo. I don't need anything too crazy features wise. Basically need something high gain, usable clean channel, tight gain channel etc... FX loop would be nice as well.


My budget would be 300-800 USD, the amp is just gonna be for metal (I've got the rest covered), the guitars I'll be using will be something with humbuckers, I don't mind buying used, I don't mind buying online etc.... Any of the newer offerings worth checking out like the Randall RD series or the Laney IRTs?


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#2
IRT's are solid, if aren't tone deaf like the guitarist in my band who has one.

Heard some good things about the randalls too.
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#3
How much do powerball's go for used in the US?
'cause a powerball or powerball II or even fireball would do nicely if ya ask me.

Also a 5150 III might do.
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How much do powerball's go for used in the US?
'cause a powerball or powerball II or even fireball would do nicely if ya ask me.

Also a 5150 III might do.



Not sure on the powerballs but here in Canada the Engl Thunder goes for a bit over a grand (if you can find them).


As for a 5150III those go for about double my budget new.


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IRT's are solid, if aren't tone deaf like the guitarist in my band who has one.

Heard some good things about the randalls too.


Yeah might try the IRT. Got a GL50 here locally too.
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#5
JSX if you don't mind going for something older/used.
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Not sure on the powerballs but here in Canada the Engl Thunder goes for a bit over a grand (if you can find them).
Yeah I can find them, not worth that much if ya ask me.
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As for a 5150III those go for about double my budget new.
Can't you find used 50w ones for a bit less?
They're worth it if you can find them for a good price.

Also yeah JSX would do, 6505 is angrier, up to you to decide what kinda tone you want exactly.
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Never had a JSX but I owned a Triple XXX and didn't like it for anything aside from hair metal. Bit too loose for the metal tones I like.


As for the 5150III 50watter yeah I think they go for around grand give or take. I'm guessing they're similar to the 6505?


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5153 50w is just over a $1,000 new so finding one used would probably just be cutting the budget close. Finding one is the trick though.


Yeah most of the used ones I see are the 100 watter.
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#9
I play on a 6505+ and I play on the 5153 50w occasionally at one of the local stores that can't seem to sell it. The EVH has a similar sound and features but "clearer" to me. Haven't done much more research past that but I like the amp a lot. I've yet to see any EVH model used. Heck the only 50w models I've seen are the two that's been sitting in the said store for the past year.
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As for the 5150III 50watter yeah I think they go for around grand give or take. I'm guessing they're similar to the 6505?
Meh.

5150 III is clearer, def less angry, it has a better clean channel, it's a bit tighter, and it has three ch instead of two.
Also it has midi IIRC.

I'd go and try one if you have the chance.
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Meh.

5150 III is clearer, def less angry, it has a better clean channel, it's a bit tighter, and it has three ch instead of two.
Also it has midi IIRC.

I'd go and try one if you have the chance.



Will do, both the L&Ms here have them in stock so I'll be checking them out soon.


On the flip side, a local store has a 6505+ combo I wanted to buy and they're holding the damn thing for a week for another guy. A couple of days I can understand but a WEEK!? Jeez almighty.
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#12
I'd second the JSX suggestion. Carvin V3 is also a good option. Mesa Mini Rectifier if you can get it used.
Orange Dark Terror is also a good choice.
XXX might do on 2nd channel with tubescreamer type overdrive, think Exodus "The Human Condition" type of sounds, there's a guy on here that posted some good clips on the recording forum last week.
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I'd second the JSX suggestion. Carvin V3 is also a good option. Mesa Mini Rectifier if you can get it used.
Orange Dark Terror is also a good choice.
XXX might do on 2nd channel with tubescreamer type overdrive, think Exodus "The Human Condition" type of sounds, there's a guy on here that posted some good clips on the recording forum last week.


Yeah problem is I don't really like the XXX (I've owned one for years). If the JSX is similar I doubt I'd like it either (from what I can recall it's just a XXX with EL34s and a gate anyway).


Does the DT have an effects loop?
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perhaps letting us know what metal tones you're after would help. metal is such a broad term these days. you really can't go wrong with a 6505+ though. my Peavy Ultra works great for many metal styles however since it has an open back it doesn't do the super low tuned bass heavy stuff as well.
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As for the 5150III 50watter yeah I think they go for around grand give or take. I'm guessing they're similar to the 6505?

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Similar yes. But NOT the same. All of the Peavey variants have more BALLS than the 5150 III. Balls are not the same as gain, but it's hard to describe what I mean in words. You really need to try them both. I play more extreme genres (death, black metal), and the EVH 5150 III I tried just did not sound "pissed off" enough for me. Both amps have plenty of gain though. The EVH is just more refined which can be good for some people and bad for others. The EVH also has more of a "djent" slant to its character, which again, I personally hate, but others may adore. The EVH does have very nice cleans though, much nicer than the Peavey versions. But again, it depends on how important all of that balances out for you.

List some bands whose tone you like. It may be that a 5150 of any variant might not be the right thing for you.
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perhaps letting us know what metal tones you're after would help. metal is such a broad term these days. you really can't go wrong with a 6505+ though. my Peavy Ultra works great for many metal styles however since it has an open back it doesn't do the super low tuned bass heavy stuff as well.


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List some bands whose tone you like. It may be that a 5150 of any variant might not be the right thing for you.



Tone along the lines of Ascendancy era Trivium or AOJB era KSE, In Flames, All That Remains, Job for a Cowboy etc...

Lamb of God has a pretty br00tz tone I like as well.
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Weird, cause Heafy used XXX's in the early days and used IIRC a DSL on the Ascendency album.

If you're wanting that sort of tone a 6505/5150/Mark V might be solid. With a boost obvs.
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Weird, cause Heafy used XXX's in the early days and used IIRC a DSL on the Ascendency album.

If you're wanting that sort of tone a 6505/5150/Mark V might be solid. With a boost obvs.



Pretty sure ember was recorded on a 6505.


JCM 2000s were on Ascendency yeah.


Also, mark V is way out of my price range.


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Jsx is nothing like the XXX. Sparkly cleans,nice crunch and great overdrive with built in noise gate. Only thing comparable might be channel 2(crunch).


Well, in that case I'll keep an eye out for one.
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#20
Ember was a XXX, just checked.
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Ember was a XXX, just checked.


Source?


The only thing I can find is an article from Peavey's own website which states that he uses both (Block head 5150 and Triple XXX amps) on Ember.

"Florida-based melodic deathcore band Trivium has toured extensively over the past two years and is finally seeing dividends: Victory Records will re-release the band's latest album, Ember to Inferno, and a new album on Roadrunner Records will appear in 2005. Guitarist Matt Heafy uses Triple XXX® and 5150 amps. "

Source

and then a bunch of forum posts were people are saying block letter 5150 and a 1960BV cab.


Either way, I guess I can consider the Triple XXX again but didn't think much of it before
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If you're wanting that sort of tone a 6505/5150/Mark V might be solid. With a boost obvs.
Why would you put these three close to each other saying they'd be good for reaching the same tone?

6505's and mark V's sound nothing alike.
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Tone along the lines of Ascendancy era Trivium or AOJB era KSE, In Flames, All That Remains, Job for a Cowboy etc...

Lamb of God has a pretty br00tz tone I like as well.


I would get a Peavey 6505+ or regular 6505, or even an older 5150. Any of them would fit the bill with the right pedals (boost + EQ in the loop.)

LoG is the outlier in your list -- you'd need a Mark IV or V to nail their tone. However, with medium output passive pickups, I've gotten a respectably accurate tone for LoG through my 6505 +. Has to be medium output passive pups though. I had a Dimarzio D-Sonic. My Black Winters and especially my active Blackouts won't do that sound -- too much grind.
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#25
6505+ or 5150 III.

The JSX will probably be too smooth for you.
The XXX is too 80s to be worth the hassle.
A regular Ultra might be worth checking out, it falls kind of between an XXX and a 5150.

MXR M77 for a grindier boost or Way Huge Green Rhino for a smoother boost.
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#26
These are pretty nice amps and are basically rebranded Krank amps. Might be worth a look.
http://revolutionamps.com/
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#27
Hes got Stiff amps going too, im guessing thats the same deal?


most likely leaning towards a 6505 right now since theyre easy to find around here anyway but ill check into stiff/rev amps.
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Why would you put these three close to each other saying they'd be good for reaching the same tone?

6505's and mark V's sound nothing alike.


He mentioned LOG.

Was thinking he'd just want a decent general br00tz Metal tone.
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#29
Bit out of the price range though fishey


So I'll probably be checking out a few amps this weekend. Hopefully, the dude that put the 6505 combo on hold flakes out


Carvin V3 any good?
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#30
Yeah, sorry about that, I've got no idea on Mesa prices anywhere except the UK

No idea about the V3 but I think? Dspellman described them as fizzy? Might not be them, but that's the first name that sprung to mind.
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#31
A new Mark V costs 2500 bucks here. A new 6505 head is about 1500 bucks cheaper so...


Yeah the V3 seems a little too much for what I want anyway. Too many channels
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Carvin V3 any good?


Some like 'em, some don't. The most common complaint I've seen is "fizzy".

I personally like them, but they do take some tweaking.
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#33
Yeah I mean they seem really versatile but I have never used one so I have 0 idea about what I'll be getting if I go that route. At least with the 6505 I know what I'm getting somewhat.
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#34
A lot of the fizzy problem on the V3 can be solved by turning the presence waaaaay down. I don't think that's for you though, the tone is too "shreddy". I'd just get a 6505+ man, they are made for most the tones you listed. That and a TS and you should be golden.
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#35
Yeah I think you're right. I'll just grab a 6505.


Spider Valve is getting sold today and payday is Friday
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Hes got Stiff amps going too, im guessing thats the same deal?


most likely leaning towards a 6505 right now since theyre easy to find around here anyway but ill check into stiff/rev amps.

No, stiff closed shop when Tony started revolution amps. But yes same principal
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#37
New 6505 combos are made in China and they started slacking on the quality though.

I tested the Carvin V3 in their Sacramento shop through several of their guitars which are kinda like PRS/Les Paul knockoffs and can't say that they're really fizzy. They could get a nice metal vibe but they cover all the bases really good, great chimey cleands, great crunch and ballsy metal distortion when needed. They have a bite and a bit of brightness but all could be tamed out if needed with eq and the voicing switches.
#38
^i liked mine, it was just very smooth, not altogether unlike the JSX I tried in character. Nice amp, but not my first choice for a ballsy tone.

If anyone does want to here a V3 in metal form, take a listen to Winds of Plague's first album. A very heavy, crisp sound.
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#39
the V3 is way too fizzy for my liking. maybe look into one of the smaller krank heads, the 50 watt rev jr's go for really cheap, and would be a good option.

i think i would go for a 6505+.

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