#1
I'm looking for one, but the only two that come to mind are the Sovtek Mig 100 and Midget 50. I need something very clean to use as a platform for pedals, so for my intents and purposes I think the Midget 50 might not cut it. For the time being, I think it's pretty useless to have two amp channels since I use pedals for gain.

Are there any other options available? Preferably heads with a "middle" knob.
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#2
Fender Twin, Fender Bassman etc.

Only use one channel, the number of channels an amp has is immaterial, use what you need.
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#3
Maybe something by Hiwatt? Whats your budget?
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#4
Quote by nick.culliton
I'm looking for one, but the only two that come to mind are the Sovtek Mig 100 and Midget 50. I need something very clean to use as a platform for pedals, so for my intents and purposes I think the Midget 50 might not cut it. For the time being, I think it's pretty useless to have two amp channels since I use pedals for gain.

Are there any other options available? Preferably heads with a "middle" knob.

No combos, then? Do you already have the speaker(s) picked out? Also, I presume you're going to want an effects loop.

IMO, most (nice) amps are going to have nice cleans, but they all might color your sound some. Really, you would want an amp that is made with a certain tone heritage so that it can easily produce it with your pedals. Any sound preferences?
Last edited by Will Lane at Mar 22, 2015,
#5
yeah forgot to include the important details.

I'm looking to spend about $1000 on a head + cab. Effects loop would be nice. I really enjoy my VK, honestly. But I want better cleans at high volume. I'm going to try swapping out two of the 12AX7's with 12AT7's to see if that helps. I also plan on getting a cab (either a closed back 2x12 or 4x10, unsure yet) this summer, which could also help.

Really just trying to explore options right now and try to find what's best.

I'd go for a Fender Twin, but they only have Bass and Treble knobs, and no effects loop.
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Last edited by nick.culliton at Mar 22, 2015,
#7
What's the channel 2 like? I don't feel like I've ever seen a "soak" knob before. Is that just pre-gain?
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#8
Quote by nick.culliton
yeah forgot to include the important details.

I'm looking to spend about $1000 on a head + cab. Effects loop would be nice. I really enjoy my VK, honestly. But I want better cleans at high volume. I'm going to try swapping out two of the 12AX7's with 12AT7's to see if that helps. I also plan on getting a cab (either a closed back 2x12 or 4x10, unsure yet) this summer, which could also help.

Really just trying to explore options right now and try to find what's best.

I'd go for a Fender Twin, but they only have Bass and Treble knobs, and no effects loop.
Ah I see. VK's do crunch/mud up at clean, high volumes. You shouldn't have to crank it past a good volume level though- if I need a lot of volume I just mic through PA. Swapping V2 (gain) with a lower-gain 12A(x)7 might help. Make sure that your V1 is crisp as well, I like my Tung-Sol 12AX7 in V1.

For the amp, that Carvin seems nice but I haven't done much research on it yet First impressions, she seems nice.

You are going to want an effects loop. If you're able to go to combos, a Hot Rod Deluxe might suit you well.
Last edited by Will Lane at Mar 22, 2015,
#9
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#10
Quote by nick.culliton
What's the channel 2 like? I don't feel like I've ever seen a "soak" knob before. Is that just pre-gain?


Just consider it a gain knob.

The second channel on those heads was designed with the help of Allan Holdsworth. Very legato stuff. Nice if you're into that.

There's a set of mods for that amp that are spectacular, called the Hasserl Mods after Richard L Hassebrock. Free .pdf files (the bits and pieces necessary are a negligible expense). Most on the Carvin forums think that the mods should be installed at the factory. I have a Hasserl-modified (Stage II) Belair, which shares the same chassis as the VT50 head and sounds like a vintage Marshall, but with more gain than any vintage Marshall ever had.
#11
I used to have a Fender HRD and I hated that amp. I play a mix of basement and venue shows, but that amp sounded like it had an OD in front of it when cranked anywhere past 8 o'clock.

@Will Lane
I wasn't sure if switching the V2 alone would do anything because I figured that was more for the lead channel.

I've considered a DeVille 410, but then I'm concerned with the headroom. Only 60W opposed to 100W. I think the extra 2 speakers would help a lot with volume, so needing to crank it would be less needed.

If any of you need an idea of what I sound like, please click the "My Band" link in my sig. Listen to "Entropy" or "Thoughts in Score" as those songs are the most dynamic songs on my band's EP.
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#12
Quote by nick.culliton
I used to have a Fender HRD and I hated that amp. I play a mix of basement and venue shows, but that amp sounded like it had an OD in front of it when cranked anywhere past 8 o'clock.

@Will Lane
I wasn't sure if switching the V2 alone would do anything because I figured that was more for the lead channel.

I've considered a DeVille 410, but then I'm concerned with the headroom. Only 60W opposed to 100W. I think the extra 2 speakers would help a lot with volume, so needing to crank it would be less needed.

If any of you need an idea of what I sound like, please click the "My Band" link in my sig. Listen to "Entropy" or "Thoughts in Score" as those songs are the most dynamic songs on my band's EP.
For the VK: "One half of the tube [V2] controls the clean channel, other half controls the the lead channel." So however that might work. Potentially, you might have to crank the VK even higher to get the same volumes out of a lower-gain preamp. Not sure though.

Was your material recorded with the VK?

Ideally you would want to set your amp right before break-up. Cleans would be glassy and warm. Dig into it and you'll get some spark. Throw the drives in and you'll push your amp to saturation, based on your pedal's tones.
Last edited by Will Lane at Mar 22, 2015,
#13
A Mig 100 will distort past about 2 o'clock. You know? Like the plexi that it's a clone of.
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#14
@Will Lane
That's 100% Peavey Valveking. Entropy I recorded with my Schecter that has JB/'59 pickups in it, and Thoughts in Score was recorded with an Epiphone Casino w/P90's and my Tele 72 Deluxe RI. Thanks for the like, by the way! That's very cool of you.

@Cathbard
I guess not. I'm not as all-knowing as I'd like to be. Everyone praises the Migs for their headroom, so I figured that meant cleaner tone at high volumes.
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Last edited by nick.culliton at Mar 22, 2015,
#15
2 o'clock is still pretty damn loud. But they're just a poor man's plexi.
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#16
Oh yeah,

I got confused for a moment. Mixed up "2" with "2 o'clock." I hardly crank my Peavey passed 10:30 - 11 o'clock.
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#17
Quote by nick.culliton
@Will Lane
That's 100% Peavey Valveking. Entropy I recorded with my Schecter that has JB/'59 pickups in it, and Thoughts in Score was recorded with an Epiphone Casino w/P90's and my Tele 72 Deluxe RI. Thanks for the like, by the way! That's very cool of you.
c:

Wow, that sounds pretty rad. Nice tone chasing!
Quote by nick.culliton
Oh yeah,

I got confused for a moment. Mixed up "2" with "2 o'clock." I hardly crank my Peavey passed 10:30 - 11 o'clock.
Yeah. They roar before you even get to 12. So you're saying that you want a new amp that can stay clean at higher levels, past to where your VK can go.

I haven't had enough experience to recommend an amp off the bat, most of my info comes from research. And people can sometimes be biased :/

I think that the Carvin listed above probably wouldn't be too much cleaner than the VK.
Last edited by Will Lane at Mar 22, 2015,
#18
^ Thank you! I appreciate that. I'm glad that my insane investment in tube amps and pedals has payed off.

I am saying all I want is an amp that is cleaner at the same level or louder than my VK. I don't really care about being multichannel, but it seems slightly wasteful considering I'll never use more than one channel at this point in time.
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#19
What about investing in a powered wedge or PA loudspeaker system rather than a new amp? You can mic the VK in isolation or on stage without having to crank it too much (keeping it clean) and use the powered speakers for house volume.
Last edited by Will Lane at Mar 22, 2015,
#20
That could be a good idea. If I added a cab, wouldn't that also make me "louder" without needing to crank the amp higher?
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#21
Quote by nick.culliton
That could be a good idea. If I added a cab, wouldn't that also make me "louder" without needing to crank the amp higher?
I think I have read that adding a speaker adds 3 db to the volume. Keep in mind wattage and amp/speaker efficiency though c: If anything, you'll definitely have a "larger" sound.
#22
I definitely could use a bigger sound because my band is only a two piece, which is why I am torn between a 410 and 212 cab.
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#23
Use the $1000 to hire a bassist :p

I think your best bet would be to get a solid cab, matching your VK's parameters as closely as possible (with a bit more wattage from the speakers). Once you get a bassist, you can start mic'ing your amp a bit through a PA system to give you some more volume. Most venues should have some sort of a PA system.
Last edited by Will Lane at Mar 22, 2015,
#24
hahahaha yeah, if only. We're very content right now as a 2 piece, but have been exploring the option of adding a bass player.

Sometimes I can run my VK through a PA, which is nice. I get better clean sounds at about 9:30 through a PA. But basement shows have been way more fun than venue shows, so... I guess I'll deal with it!
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#25
one good affordable option would be to look into music man. my hd130 2x12" gets insanely loud clean. yes it is hybrid, and yes it takes pedals very well.

i have a MIG50 that has had a lot of work done to it by a tech before i got it. it has all bournes pots, belton tube sockets, nice caps, carling switches, etc. but it does get pretty loud before much breakup, but i haven't played it for a year or two, so i don't remember how it loud it stays clean.
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#26
I was checking out those Music Man amps. They look identical to Fender heads/combos, but they have a "middle" knob and push the budget a little bit. A few weeks ago, I heard a guy using one of the heads with a Gibson Firebird in a band called Dowsing, and ooo man... his cleans were pristine.
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#27
Quote by nick.culliton
I was checking out those Music Man amps. They look identical to Fender heads/combos, but they have a "middle" knob and push the budget a little bit. A few weeks ago, I heard a guy using one of the heads with a Gibson Firebird in a band called Dowsing, and ooo man... his cleans were pristine.


i paid $320 for mine (no footswitch though), and it is a nice platform. the cleans are sexay.
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#28
I'll have to be on the lookout for a deal like that. The heads I saw were ~$700 used.
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#29
Music Man heads are a good choice for super-clean and low cost. Build quality is also pretty high. It was a favorite of Albert Lee.

The HRD and Deville use the exact same amp at different speaker impedance, hence the different 40w vs 60w power rating. If you can't get amazing Fender clean tone with lots of headroom at ear shattering levels with one of these, it's broken.

Traynor is another high output tube amp that clean sounds pretty great. They can be found used for cheap regularly on the East Coast.

I listened to your tracks and they sound pretty sweet. Nice guitar work. Gentle suggestion for your next recording: You have a good foundation in your vocals that would benefit a great deal from a little pro coaching/training. Get one of those guys in the room on vocals day.
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#30
Quote by Cajundaddy
The HRD and Deville use the exact same amp at different speaker impedance, hence the different 40w vs 60w power rating.


Not important to the overall query, but I don't believe that's correct? As long as output impedance is matched, output power should remain constant.

From what I've gathered, the Deville runs a higher voltage on the power tubes? (One source also says it runs a lower impedance on the input side of the OT, but I can't confirm that either.)

Or...and this is certainly possible...I might be totally missing some important part of the equation here...
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#32
Quote by monwobobbo
Peavey Windsor head. 100 watts single channel can be had pretty cheap


Not really a 'clean' platform though is it? More of a Hotrodded JCM-800.
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#33
Quote by Cajundaddy
Music Man heads are a good choice for super-clean and low cost. Build quality is also pretty high. It was a favorite of Albert Lee.

The HRD and Deville use the exact same amp at different speaker impedance, hence the different 40w vs 60w power rating. If you can't get amazing Fender clean tone with lots of headroom at ear shattering levels with one of these, it's broken.

Traynor is another high output tube amp that clean sounds pretty great. They can be found used for cheap regularly on the East Coast.

I listened to your tracks and they sound pretty sweet. Nice guitar work. Gentle suggestion for your next recording: You have a good foundation in your vocals that would benefit a great deal from a little pro coaching/training. Get one of those guys in the room on vocals day.


Thanks for the positive feedback! Since recording that EP, I joined the men's chorus at my university and that has helped leaps and bounds with both clean singing and screaming techniques. A few things were rushed, especially vocals on Entropy. I did those after an entire day of recording vocals and my throat was absolutely shot. My screaming, however, has felt extremely natural (for what it is, lol) and I try my best to take care of my vocal cords.

I'd like to try out a DeVille, but I'm pretty set on a head + cab because I'm sick of lugging around a 65 pound amp. Unless it's a combo that weighs less than 50 pounds, I can't say I'm terribly interested. Fortunately for the DeVille, it seems to weigh exactly 50 pounds.

I'll check out Traynor amps as well!

Also the HRD I had was one of the original HRDs, made in March of 1997. May have been the reason for sounding like shit, since the HRD 3's are supposedly the best ones. I got it checked out by a tech who did an extremely thorough check-up on it. He made it sound better, but I absolutely hated it. It colored my tone way too much.
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Last edited by nick.culliton at Mar 23, 2015,
#34
nah man. Dr. Z or port city amplification
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