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Do you guys know any of those people?

There seem to be people which just seem naturally gifted at whatever they try.

The first that comes to mind is Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn)

While acting the role of Aragorn, he had to learn fencing, and his teacher said he was the best swordsman he's taught. He also became an excellent horse rider.

Also, apart from being a talented actor, the man is a musician, poet, photographer and painter.

I'd love to meet him, just to pick his brains and see how he does it.

Dave Grohl is another one.

Christopher Lee is a world class actor. He's also a good singer, poetry reader and can speak six languages.

I know someone who's like that: he's considered one of the best drummers around here (when he left his band, they, along with the record company, looked around the north of Italy and stil haven't found someone who could keep up with him. They had to slow down and change the songs to play them live.)

He's also a good guitarist. He creates little statues while welding, is an incredible motorbike rider, and I have seen him do some insane things on a bmx.


How do these people do it? do they just have a natural gift at learning things? I'm really jealous. I wish I could be like that...I always end up getting ticked off with myself when I can't learn something immediately.

Do you know people like this? Are you one of them? Do you reckon it's some secret they have? Or just a natural gift? Or is it that they automatically set no limits to themselves and can just do things?
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Do you know people like this? Are you one of them?

Yes, and yes

But I may happen to be a tad picky about what I do...
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They probably didn't spend their time messing around on the internet. Dave Grohl is super duper average
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TS needs to stop being jealous of other people's success and make his own.

It would be wrong to say that that is no such thing as being predisposed towards being good at a certain activity. But those people never got good the first time they tried it. They're good at what they do because they know what they want, and have a great passion for the process of attaining it. I honestly believe that almost anybody could potentially be a Michelangelo at their craft, it just takes a lot of time and dedication. When people are jealous, they typically only see through the lens of the results of their labour and not the process it took to get there. To be as talented as those people reputably are, those people probably had to make a lot of sacrifices to get to that level, that you might not have had to make. Things that are important to your life, that they have had to lose. Be grateful that you still have them.
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Doesn't Viggo also speak a gazillion languages (or at least more than three)?

I think it's mostly just circumstances. Mindset/personality combined with a very deep interest in a lot of things. Add to that an education/upbringing stimulating that or an education/upbringing that instills some kind of defiance that convinces the person to learn as much about everything in spite of their lacking surroundings.

Or something like that, I don't know

All I know is that I'm lazy and only ambitious in theory.
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I hate to boast but I am like that with a lot of things, I tend to pick them up quickly but I can't master them.

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I have always picked up a lot of things rather quickly, but mostly I lack the motivation to actually become good at stuff. It also doesn't help that I have this unhealthy tendency to prove people wrong.

It's great when someone says I can't do something, so I can prove that I most certainly can, but if I show any sign of potential and someone says that I've done something well, my mind immediately goes 'Well **** this then! I'm going to browse the pit or something'.
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Dave Grohl is super duper average

In human terms, no, no he is not. He is not 'normal' in what he does. I don't for a minute think he is a virtuoso of any kind, but to say that he is average in what he does is laughably wrong.

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I have always picked up a lot of things rather quickly, but mostly I lack the motivation to actually become good at stuff. It also doesn't help that I have this unhealthy tendency to prove people wrong.

It's great when someone says I can't do something, so I can prove that I most certainly can, but if I show any sign of potential and someone says that I've done something well, my mind immediately goes 'Well **** this then! I'm going to browse the pit or something'.

Yeah. If something I see appears to be far easier than it actually is, I fall complacent very quickly and realise its actual difficulty when its too late to do much about it.

I honestly think I've proven myself to have a lot of potential. Many people who are pretty impartial have also told me so after explaining the circumstances of the challenges I've beaten. But I end up underachieving because I have a lack of passion for said thing. There are too many other, more personal things to distract me away from giving myself enough time to really exercise what I can do.
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Dave Grohl isn't 'above average', he's THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST
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Dave Grohl is another one.

Hahahaha.
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some people are just naturally talented at stuff, like sports or maths ect. But a lot of the time its down to hard work and dedication
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Batman is a billionaire, master martial artist, detective and planner, actor, superhero... idk how he does it all
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hay guise im a geenyus but rly lazy lol i could do anthing but i dun feel like it

I know a lot of people who have many skills. It's possible that they aren't that good at everything but I'm still impressed by their ability to get shit done.
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TS needs to stop being jealous of other people's success and make his own.
I honestly believe that almost anybody could potentially be a Michelangelo at their craft, it just takes a lot of time and dedication.


See I used to think this, but I'm starting to believe it's bullshit. Time and dedication do play a role, but I don't think it's the be all and end all. Some people are just better at things than others.

While it may seem depressing, it's also kind of liberating, not having the pressure of constantly needing to be better. You can just accept where you are and where you want to be, and judge your skills against your past self, not others.
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See I used to think this, but I'm starting to believe it's bullshit. Time and dedication do play a role, but I don't think it's the be all and end all. Some people are just better at things than others.

Well I did say,
It would be wrong to say that that is no such thing as being predisposed towards being good at a certain activity.

Obviously if you're born with only one leg, you're never going to win an Olympic footrace, but even then, there are sports dedicated for that sort of niche. The point is that so, so much of being highly skilled at something is earned by having spent so much time on mastering it that it isn't even up for debate.

Its easy to say that somebody was just born to be better than you. But most of the time that's just a cop out. It still doesn't mean you cannot be great and inspirational, if only to the few people close to you. The process of your development should be far more meaningful to you than the end result. If you want people to truly honour your achievements, they need to understand the context of the process, otherwise the praise isn't very meaningful. Or at least not if you're striving for your goals for the right reasons.

And so what if you're not hugely recognized for your achievements? I know this quote was from Vsauce, but I think its very elegant.
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While it may seem depressing, it's also kind of liberating, not having the pressure of constantly needing to be better. You can just accept where you are and where you want to be, and judge your skills against your past self, not others.

Well again, this goes back to the point of appreciating the process or acquiring a skill rather than what can be gained from the end result. It shouldn't depress you. If it does, you're still comparing yourself against other people.
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The point is that so, so much of being highly skilled at something is earned by having spent so much time on mastering it that it isn't even up for debate.

Sure, but the people that are able to spend that much time on developing themselves seem to have a passion, that others lack. Maybe they just know something I don't, but in my mind, they seem predisposed to success.

Also, I think it's only a cop-out if u use it as an excuse for why you can't try to be better.

Otherwise, we seem to agree. Btw I like that quote, didn't know ol' Cato was a UG'er
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natural talent is one thing but being absolutely unable to stand still and be bored is a big factor in the equation. I'd ask Dave or Viggo how much time they spend playing video games or watching the TV and I'm sure the answer would be just a few minutes per week. Same thing with days off (like completely off)

Also being just insecure enough that you want to constantly impress other people but without it being an obstacle in your own development is another big factor.

So TS the answer is a lot more boring that you'd want. Hard work, patience and determination are still the answer to this natural talent
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natural talent is one thing but being absolutely unable to stand still and be bored is a big factor in the equation. I'd ask Dave or Viggo how much time they spend playing video games or watching the TV

Maybe Viggo, finds acting and riding horses and allowing his gorgeous wavy hair to flow in the breeze as entertaining as u find video games


I have a small man crush on viggo. Not gonna lie
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Your natural aptitude for things really shouldn't matter. If you're naturally gifted and you work hard, you're better off. If you aren't naturally gifted and you work hard, you're still better off than you'd otherwise be. So go get it now.
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Maybe Viggo, finds acting and riding horses and allowing his gorgeous wavy hair to flow in the breeze as entertaining as u find video games


This is an important point. How people self-define and spend their leisure time is probably important to this topic. Just because the idea of actually doing thing stresses some of you out, doesn't mean that it isn't therapeutic and relaxing to others.
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Sure, but the people that are able to spend that much time on developing themselves seem to have a passion, that others lack. Maybe they just know something I don't, but in my mind, they seem predisposed to success.

Then maybe its time to find where your passion lies too.

We're all still searching. And that's part of the fun. Having an interest in exploring is a virtue.

But also its important to note that just because you don't have as much of an interest in what you do as other people, doesn't undermine the value of those achievements.
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More seriously, I've never found things I wanted to do particularly difficult. Of course I've never tried to become an NBA player or a Particle Physicist, but I've never had a desire to do either.

I think that aptitude is a significant component of success, as (contrary to claims) not everyone is "created equal", but that willingness to put in the effort required is of even more importance.

Curiousity question: Do you believe we are "hardwired" to enjoy certain things in regard to aptitude and excellence? I wonder because I know people that are naturally very good at things that they simply do not enjoy at all.
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Curiousity question: Do you believe we are "hardwired" to enjoy certain things in regard to aptitude and excellence? I wonder because I know people that are naturally very good at things that they simply do not enjoy at all.

If you're naturally good at something, you'll more easily achieve good results with your work, which encourages you to keep doing it.

If you're good at something you don't like, then maybe you have an aptitude for a wide-ranging subject. Let's say if you're good at math, you might make a good accountant, even if that's not something you'd enjoy.
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Me lol.

Hate to sound arrogant but I'm one of those people who can do most things if I put my mind to it. At school I was good at all subjects, from humanities to sciences to maths to arts. I'm a pretty talented drawer and I'm okay at guitar, and can ski and play tennis well too.

The problem is as you go further into life you have to specialise which means leaving things behind. I could have become a talented artist or done a history degree or whatever but I've left most of those things behind because I had to put my time and effort into my main profession which is science.

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My friends dad was like that. He was a great hockey coach, an excellent golfer, a race car driver/builder, really good guitar player.

Although he did say if had to do it over he wishes he would have tried to master one thing than be pretty good at a lot of them .
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Consider the sacrifice it takes to achieve that level of skill at something. I've known a lot of people who seem amazingly gifted, but then they aren't around much and don't really spend a lot of time with their families, etc. Just super motivated, compulsively driven, it's almost a neurosis, really.

Don't be jealous of anyone. It's not helpful.
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I'd consider myself one of those people. The biggest difference I've noticed between myself and people who have few skills are that they don't try to get good at new things or they don't want to devote the time to something they aren't (yet) good at.
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This is an important point. How people self-define and spend their leisure time is probably important to this topic. Just because the idea of actually doing thing stresses some of you out, doesn't mean that it isn't therapeutic and relaxing to others.


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I have known a girl like that in my class in high school. She excelled at every subject, even sports, she had a circle of friends around her and was even kinda hot. I never talked much to her, cause frankly, I was pretty scared of her. She was like the future of mankind, she could become a rocket scientist or something pretty easily. I have no idea where she's at now.
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All I know is that I'm lazy and only ambitious in theory.


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Yeah. If something I see appears to be far easier than it actually is, I fall complacent very quickly and realise its actual difficulty when its too late to do much about it.


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Apart from everything else that has been said (work hard, practice, passion etc..) I think intelligence has a lot to do with it (there is more than one type of intelligence though).

So, it is more of a multifactorial thing; how smart you are, what kind of activities you do better, how much effort you put into it and if you like said activity.
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I hear you about the "practise and dedication", and I actually spend no time anymore playing videogames. Maybe I'll go through a month playing and then get fed up.

Weird thing is, as much as I practise and dedicate myself to something, I seem to develop a block about most things which I can't get past. Something which makes me..well, ok atsome things. But I find it very hard to get past that.

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I sometimes feel that some people just have a natural gift at either getting past that limit, or not have that limit in the first place.
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