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#1
Hey guys, im looking to get a new amp, Ive been looking at the Bad Cat couger 50, JVM205h, or a DV mark multiamp. Ive heard great things about all of these 3, I mainly things like ratt, van halen, metallica, I like the idea of the DV mark because of reliability, but Ive heard great things about all of them, what would you guys go for here? thanks.
#2
Personally I'd go for none of them and get an EVH 5150III.

It's all personal preference dude. If you have the ability to try them out, go try them out and make your own decision. We can't tell you what to like.

What's your budget and location so we can offer up some other suggestions to consider.
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What's your budget and location so we can offer up some other suggestions to consider.

Dammit! I cant believe I forgot to include that, sorry about that, St Louis and 1500
#4
If you're too indecisive just buy a Randall RM and be done with it. I haven't tried the Cougar 50, but I did try the lil 5 watt Cougar 112 and was shocked at how "meh" a $750, 5w amp could sound. The 50w Cougar at $429 may be a different story though. If I were you, I'd get an RM, just to make sure you get the right amp.
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#6
God damn it all you people make me laugh. TS asked which of these 3 amps you would go for, and all you do is say completely different amps. I know that this is all your opinion, but actually respond to TS with your answer, and maybe THEN give your opinion on on other amps?

TS:I'd go for a Marshall. Probably my favorite brand after Randall. The midrange on them is fantastic.
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God damn it all you people make me laugh. TS asked which of these 3 amps you would go for, and all you do is say completely different amps. I know that this is all your opinion, but actually respond to TS with your answer, and maybe THEN give your opinion on on other amps?

TS:I'd go for a Marshall. Probably my favorite brand after Randall. The midrange on them is fantastic.


That is a stupid way of thinking. Imagine if someone has $500 to spend and asks what is best between a MG, an Orange Crush and a Line 6 Spider. Should we just suggest the lesser of evils? Or we can suggest better things to the OP that he/she might like more than the original choices. OP did not say strictly those three.
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That is a stupid way of thinking. Imagine if someone has $500 to spend and asks what is best between a MG, an Orange Crush and a Line 6 Spider. Should we just suggest the lesser of evils? Or we can suggest better things to the OP that he/she might like more than the original choices. OP did not say strictly those three.

This isn't the case here. He didn't say "oh, what's better, a spider or an MG', he was thinking about buying a ****ing JVM. It kinda shows that he isn't a beginner and knows what he wants, not that he's clueless about amps and gear in general.
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This isn't the case here. He didn't say "oh, what's better, a spider or an MG', he was thinking about buying a ****ing JVM. It kinda shows that he isn't a beginner and knows what he wants, not that he's clueless about amps and gear in general.


You still missed the point, why not suggest something better?

This is UG, not TGP or Rig Talk. The users here are generally more inexperienced and don't know as much gear, aside from the more regular posters most probably wouldn't know about a lot of lesser known amps.

OP might come out of it with something he/she likes better than the original choices. There really is no good reason to not suggest something else.
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You still missed the point, why not suggest something better?

This is UG, not TGP or Rig Talk. The users here are generally more inexperienced and don't know as much gear, aside from the more regular posters most probably wouldn't know about a lot of lesser known amps.

OP might come out of it with something he/she likes better than the original choices. There really is no good reason to not suggest something else.


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So instead of getting a real Marshall, he should buy an amp rated at half the wattage, with less features, based on a different Marshall?
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#12
I hate to admit it, but yeah TS you should get something along the lines of a 5153, or just an American amp in general. Out of the 3 you put up the JVM is probably going to be the one to go for. The Bad Cat is a great amp as well, but I don't think it's the sound you are looking for. To give you an idea of the sound you can listen to newer Steven Wilson stuff. I'm not too familiar with DV Mark heads tbh, just the cabs which are good.
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#13
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God damn it all you people make me laugh. TS asked which of these 3 amps you would go for, and all you do is say completely different amps. I know that this is all your opinion, but actually respond to TS with your answer, and maybe THEN give your opinion on on other amps?

TS:I'd go for a Marshall. Probably my favorite brand after Randall. The midrange on them is fantastic.

uuummm...no offense but you just called everyone out and then didn't really answer the TS question either

"I'd go for a Marshall they are my favorite brand AFTER Randall" ...doesn't really help either.


Of those 3 I'd pick the JVM 2 channel probably in 50 watts and a 1960A cabinet.

I have not played the DV Mark but have heard nothing but good things. I really need to get out and find one.

The 2 channel (read 6) JVMs aren't a bad piece of kit.

That Bad Cat is pretty one dimensional from what I remember of playing it. Frickin loud beast. Nice tone for sure but probably not my over all top choice for what you want.

The Bad Cat will be in a different field than the DV or the JVM as the latter two are very versatile. I'd narrow down your needs to tone vs versatility.

I'm not a JVM fan at all personally but of those 3 it is probably the one I'd choose.

Seems you are up for other options and I live kinda near you so let me poke around a minute.

#14
On your Craigslist I see....


Line 6 DT 25 and cab for $900
Marshall JVM 410 and 1960AV $1700
Egnater Renegade $600
Marshall Silver Jubilee 2550 mini $569
Mesa ElectraDyne $1025
Mesa Single Rec 50 $765
Egnater Renegade w/cab $1449
Budda SD30 combo $1350
Marshall JVM 410h w case $1500
Marshall JCM900s
Koch Multitone $1195
Dr Z Maz 18 $1600
Mesa Rectoverb 50 $900
Mesa Dual Rec Solo $850
Some Blackstars
Mesa .50 Cal
more stuff

Not all of those are perfect obviously and some are way over priced but you've got some nice choices there.


There is a place in Edwardsville that carries Traynor - worth checking out.

I love the EVH 5153 100 if you can find one.


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#15
There is also a used:


Hughes & Kettner Duotone at the Bridgeton GC
Marshall JVM 410 combo at the Crestwood GC
Traynor YCV80 combo at the Crestwood GC
Goodsell Black Dog 20 at the Crestwood GC
Peavey 6534 at the Crestwood GC
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#16
those mesas are great deals. just resell it after you get a better idea of what you are looking for.
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So instead of getting a real Marshall, he should buy an amp rated at half the wattage, with less features, based on a different Marshall?


A 'real' Marshall? What does that mean, why would anyone care about 'real' Marshall if you can get better tone from another amp?

Yes, because it's so often that you fully crank a 50w That thing is really loud btw.

And since when does more features = better? I guess because a Line 6 Spider has more features than a SLO, it's better right?

That amp will nail those 3 tones he listed to a tee, maybe for Puppets and later Metallica albums it would need a boost in front but otherwise perfect.


What's this ****ing shitty attitude here that people need to feel superior by shooting down other people's suggestions that they don't agree with...
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A 'real' Marshall? What does that mean, why would anyone care about 'real' Marshall if you can get better tone from another amp?

Yes, because it's so often that you fully crank a 50w That thing is really loud btw.

And since when does more features = better? I guess because a Line 6 Spider has more features than a SLO, it's better right?

That amp will nail those 3 tones he listed to a tee, maybe for Puppets and later Metallica albums it would need a boost in front but otherwise perfect.


What's this ****ing shitty attitude here that people need to feel superior by shooting down other people's suggestions that they don't agree with...


some folks here can be a bit opinionated you just have to kind of go with it and get a thick skin.

the amp you recomended actually would work. thing about it is that it is a single channel amp so not as versitile as the ones the OP mentioned. i litned to the demo and have to say i'd kinda like to have one for certain tones. oh and by the way for certain things the Line 6 might be better than a SLO depending on what you want. for something like shoegaze the Line 6 may work better as it has the fx needed for the style built in and the need for "tube" greatness isn't as big a deal for that. just saying.
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some folks here can be a bit opinionated you just have to kind of go with it and get a thick skin.

the amp you recomended actually would work. thing about it is that it is a single channel amp so not as versitile as the ones the OP mentioned. i litned to the demo and have to say i'd kinda like to have one for certain tones. oh and by the way for certain things the Line 6 might be better than a SLO depending on what you want. for something like shoegaze the Line 6 may work better as it has the fx needed for the style built in and the need for "tube" greatness isn't as big a deal for that. just saying.


Yeah I know, it's just annoying you post something to suggest to OP and then some knob thinks he knows everything better than you.

Of course if OP is in a band situation and needs 2 (or more) channels then it's not a good choice, but if he's just playing at home or whatever then it's perfect.

Well for the last part he seemed to suggest that more features are better. The shoegaze thing is just a different situation but more or less features are not better or worse, just suited to different applications.
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Yeah I know, it's just annoying you post something to suggest to OP and then some knob thinks he knows everything better than you.

Of course if OP is in a band situation and needs 2 (or more) channels then it's not a good choice, but if he's just playing at home or whatever then it's perfect.

Well for the last part he seemed to suggest that more features are better. The shoegaze thing is just a different situation but more or less features are not better or worse, just suited to different applications.


well look dude i've seen you on a few other threads and sometimes you say things that aren't taken well (not saying you were necessarily wrong). it takes a little time on boards like this to build a rep for giving good advice. when folks feel you aren't or are a total noob then they get on you. that guy fryd something or other you've been fueding with is a prime example. he means well but lacks any real experience with what he talks about. try to avoid being overly opinionated (ibby rhthym guitar thing) and yu'll do just fine.
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A 'real' Marshall? What does that mean, why would anyone care about 'real' Marshall if you can get better tone from another amp?

Yes, because it's so often that you fully crank a 50w That thing is really loud btw.

And since when does more features = better? I guess because a Line 6 Spider has more features than a SLO, it's better right?

That amp will nail those 3 tones he listed to a tee, maybe for Puppets and later Metallica albums it would need a boost in front but otherwise perfect.


What's this ****ing shitty attitude here that people need to feel superior by shooting down other people's suggestions that they don't agree with...


What do you mean what do i mean by real marshall? That should be obvious.

I didnt say more features is better, but if two amps are about the same quality and similar tone wouldnt you get the one with more features and versatility? Your line 6 to soldano comparison is ludacris and not at all analogous to comparing a friedman to a jvm
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What do you mean what do i mean by real marshall? That should be obvious.

I didnt say more features is better, but if two amps are about the same quality and similar tone wouldnt you get the one with more features and versatility? Your line 6 to soldano comparison is ludacris and not at all analogous to comparing a friedman to a jvm


So now we're suggesting things solely on the basis of brand, great suggestion that is.

What's the point of more features if OP doesn't need them? I'm not saying he does or he doesn't, I don't know, but for what he wants the PT will do those tones way better than a JVM, it's up to OP to decide, not you.

No need to get so much sand in your pussy about these things, I'm just suggesting him an amp, not signing his life away.
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Can't we all just get along? A properly placed "imo" and/or "ymmv" can negate all this bickering next time.
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Can't we all just get along? A properly placed "imo" and/or "ymmv" can negate all this bickering next time.

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So now we're suggesting things solely on the basis of brand, great suggestion that is.

What's the point of more features if OP doesn't need them? I'm not saying he does or he doesn't, I don't know, but for what he wants the PT will do those tones way better than a JVM, it's up to OP to decide, not you.

No need to get so much sand in your pussy about these things, I'm just suggesting him an amp, not signing his life away.



No sand in this pussy, sorry if i came off that way.

Maybe you took what i said a way i didnt mean? I apologize for any misunderstanding.
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So now we're suggesting things solely on the basis of brand, great suggestion that is.

What's the point of more features if OP doesn't need them? I'm not saying he does or he doesn't, I don't know, but for what he wants the PT will do those tones way better than a JVM, it's up to OP to decide, not you.

No need to get so much sand in your pussy about these things, I'm just suggesting him an amp, not signing his life away.


umm... wouldn't you rather have features that you might not need now but may need later? i understand if getting those features was going to cost you way more but if the two amps are comparable in cost then why not get the extra features. when you think about it doing this may save you from havingto get another amp down the road if needs change.
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umm... wouldn't you rather have features that you might not need now but may need later? i understand if getting those features was going to cost you way more but if the two amps are comparable in cost then why not get the extra features. when you think about it doing this may save you from havingto get another amp down the road if needs change.


Maybe, but as I said OP hasn't said much about his situation, maybe he has other amps for other stuff and just wants one for this kind of sound, maybe not... I don't know. Thus I'm just suggesting something off what he has said, thus it may or may not be suitable....
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Maybe, but as I said OP hasn't said much about his situation

I dont need a lot of options, all i need is something under 1500 that sounds ****ing badass, this amp would be my main amp, wattage doesnt really matter, as I would be using a mic to the PA anyway, but I like loud amps haha.
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I dont need a lot of options, all i need is something under 1500 that sounds ****ing badass, this amp would be my main amp, wattage doesnt really matter, as I would be using a mic to the PA anyway, but I like loud amps haha.


The Friedman is about as badass as it gets and loud.

The master is the second knob from the right and the camera is shaking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgGYW-7nsLc


But of course if you need channel switching or more versatility I would recommend something else.
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The Friedman is about as badass as it gets and loud.

Ill look into it, sounds great, ive heard great things about Friedman, Im pretty sure Jerry Cantrell uses Freidman, love me some AIC.
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Yeah he has a signature Friedman now. Personally, I'm more of a fan of his Bogner tone though.
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Yeah he has a signature Friedman now. Personally, I'm more of a fan of his Bogner tone though.

I agree, thanks for the suggestion dude, ill check it out.
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i payed $950 for my splawn promod, if you are patient i am sure you could find one (or a quickrod) for a similar price and still have room for a cab.

friedmans sound awesome though. i haven't played one unfortunately.

the splawn promod (or quickrod) is extremely flexible, three gears, OD1 and OD2 on footswitch switchable as well as a volume increase (can dial in on amp and switch on with foot).

i really like mine.
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i payed $950 for my splawn promod, if you are patient i am sure you could find one (or a quickrod) for a similar price and still have room for a cab.

friedmans sound awesome though. i haven't played one unfortunately.

the splawn promod (or quickrod) is extremely flexible, three gears, OD1 and OD2 on footswitch switchable as well as a volume increase (can dial in on amp and switch on with foot).

i really like mine.

Ill look into it, thanks dude.
#35
The Friedmans are awesome amps, and yes Jerry Cantrell used to use the Brown Eye before he got a sig. Bill from Mastodon uses the Brown Eye as well (and I think he may be getting a sig too, if not just a custom amp). But I find they are incredibly overpriced for what they are (the BE100 head goes for $3700 new).

It also miiiiight be worth looking into a Laney, like and Ironheart or maybe a VH100R. The Iron heart is going to be the more modern sounding of the two amps, a bit 5150ish with the 6L6 power section.
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#36
Jerry used a Marsha before it was called the BE, I think even on Black Gives Way To Blue or at least touring for that album.

Bill used it on the last Mastodon record, you can really hear it on some songs (High Road especially), his amp is custom though, not a sig. Maybe it will turn out to be a sig one day though.

The Pink Taco, Small Box and BE are all pretty much the same circuit, just different wattage and tubes. 2 channels and more features on Small Box and BE. They are damn expensive though, but I think that's just the boutique amp market, they probably could be sold for a fair bit cheaper.
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#37
out of those options I'd go with the JVM, it'll give you that tone that Marshalls known for.
of course..if you're budget is 1500 I would recommend a Laney...but that's just food for thought here...
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out of those options I'd go with the JVM, it'll give you that tone that Marshalls known for.
of course..if you're budget is 1500 I would recommend a Laney...but that's just food for thought here...


marshall hasn't done 'marshall' best for quite some time.
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#39
YJM was a decent effort.
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wait - is this a joke?

a bad cat, a marshall, and a dv mark 100% eletronic / modelling unit?

each one is 1 step closer to worlds apart from the other. how are these 3 amps even in comparison? we have a all around good rock box, a fire breathing monster, and a 2015 new age digital "everything in a box and a bag of chips"...minus the tubes.

huh?

well personally if your into ratt, the marshall would be great. if you like the concept of modelling, live in a noise contraned or space constrained area, or whant ultimate flexibility and the expensse of real tubey mojo and all the size, loudness, etc that comes with it, go for the modelling unit.

personally, i think by the time you get a modelling unit, you may want a tube power amp, or a cab or some knick knack, a midi controller etc. generally i find those super amazing modellers can cost 2-3x. however, when its all said and done you literally have every tone in the world at your fingertips.
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