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#1
What is this Free The Nipple thing and why is it supposedly fighting sexism? I don't get it mate

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#4
Is it something like ripping off your dick?
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#7
I'd free my nipples but then they'd try and conquer the world again and we'd have to call the titty cops and they'd summon the Support Bra to put my super-villainous nips back where they belong.
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#8
Is this the thing that women don´t want to have their pictures taken off of facebook if you see a nipple? Cause I think they are in the right there. men can show their nipples and no one seems to care, woman does it and suddenly it's against the rules. I'd say that is the definition of sexism.
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#9
Free the Nipple is another example of feminists whinging about pointless things for no particular reason and using them as an excuse to show of their boobies.

I'm perfectly happy to see a nice pair of tits, but if you want to show them off why not just become a stripper?
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#10
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Free the Nipple is another example of feminists whinging about pointless things for no particular reason and using them as an excuse to show of their boobies.

I'm perfectly happy to see a nice pair of tits, but if you want to show them off why not just become a stripper?

You don't get to decide what's pointless and what is not for others, nor when you should become a stripper and when not. Your attitude is exactly why feminists do have a battle to fight.
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#11
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#12
My nipples and I had a very serious talk and I told them that they are free to leave whenever they want and that I want nothing but the best for them. But let it be known that my nipples choose to stay completely voluntarily!
#13
I like it.

Not because of the nudity, (eh whatever, aren't we all immune to it now?) more because I can get behind liberal feminism a lot easier than the hateful tones of more conservative feminism.
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#14
my only problem is I would probably gouge my eyes out if I ever saw my mum naked
It's over simplified, So what!

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#15
Probably a scam to make people look stupid.

Kinda like how 'male tears' mugs fund equal men right groups.

If not I'm still like whatever, I don't see much of a point.
#16
i dont care, but i think it's an incredibly naive way of going about the 'issue'

but then again i say that about a lot of things


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#17
It seems pretty simple I'm not sure how you don't get it. There are situations where it's okay/appropriate for men to be topless and women can't because it's still either taboo or illegal. People that support this think that isn't cool and want it to be okay for women to be able to show their nipples when they want to.

Men did the same kind of thing in the early twentieth century when both men's and women's nipples were crude and illegal.
#18
i get that it's unfair. i just think that the only thing showing your tits online is going to achieve is a bunch of pervs getting their perv on


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da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#19
Well they don't own facebook and it's owners have every right to decide what's allowed and not allowed. There are plenty of other sites they could show tits on. Funnily enough they would say all those sites are "exploiting women" or something stupid
#20
without examining this i think its probably mostly about fighting censorship, which i'm all for.
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#21
I get it. However, it makes the pragmatist in me (which is like 98% of me) want to bash my head against the wall.

The worst part is that if it were to come to fruition (which it won't) it would demonize those who find it sexually appealing, and repression of sexuality is innately wrong IMO.
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#22
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i get that it's unfair. i just think that the only thing showing your tits online is going to achieve is a bunch of pervs getting their perv on

It's not up to you to judge these women, nor to "protect" them from pervs. Freedom comes with responsibility, but it should be their freedom and their responsibility.
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#23
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I get it. However, it makes the pragmatist in me (which is like 98% of me) want to bash my head against the wall.

The worst part is that if it were to come to fruition (which it won't) it would demonize those who find it sexually appealing, and repression of sexuality is innately wrong IMO.

I'd say the opposite. Female nipples are such a big deal because they're hidden and fetishized. I'm attracted to women and like boobs so I enjoy most female nipples. That doesn't mean they're inherently sexual and that's why they're hidden. People sexualize women so much so people get butthurt and cover them up.


I think it would help if Americans were less prude.
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#24
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It's not up to you to judge these women, nor to "protect" them from pervs. Freedom comes with responsibility, but it should be their freedom and their responsibility.


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#25
I'd still find them sexy is all I'm saying.

That's just a part of my sexuality, and I SHALL NOT BE SSSHHHHAAAAMEEEEEEDDDDDD!
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#26
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I'd still find them sexy is all I'm saying.

That's just a part of my sexuality, and I SHALL NOT BE SSSHHHHAAAAMEEEEEEDDDDDD!

yea, which is cool. The problem is that we're effectively told that we have to see them as sexy, as well as something to be hidden. So you don't really have a choice when it comes to media because they'd be covered even if you didn't find them sexy. I actual genitalia being covered and shit but few people have a problem with shirtless men walk around in public then freak out if a girl's top is too open.

Neo has summed up the issue pretty well. By covering them up and "protecting" people, we make it all more taboo and alluring. That's basically the main idea of lessening the sexualization of women. Let people be free to do their thing with their own bodies, within reason of course. If women showing their nipples or a lot of skin isn't as taboo then people won't be such weird perverts as much.

just let people do what they do
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#27
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It's not up to you to judge these women, nor to "protect" them from pervs. Freedom comes with responsibility, but it should be their freedom and their responsibility.


however, additionally, it should be our responsibility to not be perverts.
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#28
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however, additionally, it should be our responsibility to not be perverts.

kind of a subjective term though
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#29
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It's not up to you to judge these women, nor to "protect" them from pervs. Freedom comes with responsibility, but it should be their freedom and their responsibility.

Where the hell did you get the idea that I'm trying protect them? They can do whatever, I don't give a single damn. I just pity them for their naivity which is apparent on so many levels.

Oh you mean with censorship? Yeah, I agree. But again, the problem is much deeper than people covering tits up and it's more or less meaningless in the grand scheme of things. This goes for most feminist issues right up to voting rights.


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uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
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staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
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#30
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yea, which is cool. The problem is that we're effectively told that we have to see them as sexy, as well as something to be hidden. So you don't really have a choice when it comes to media because they'd be covered even if you didn't find them sexy. I actual genitalia being covered and shit but few people have a problem with shirtless men walk around in public then freak out if a girl's top is too open.

Neo has summed up the issue pretty well. By covering them up and "protecting" people, we make it all more taboo and alluring. That's basically the main idea of lessening the sexualization of women. Let people be free to do their thing with their own bodies, within reason of course. If women showing their nipples or a lot of skin isn't as taboo then people won't be such weird perverts as much.

just let people do what they do

I get that. I get every side of the issue, but saying "You only like it because you've been programmed to" just comes off to me as repressive towards what people find attractive and no different from implying homosexuality is a choice.
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#31
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Where the hell did you get the idea that I'm trying protect them? They can do whatever, I don't give a single damn. I just pity them for their naivity which is apparent on so many levels.

Oh you mean with censorship? Yeah, I agree. But again, the problem is much deeper than people covering tits up and it's more or less meaningless in the grand scheme of things. This goes for most feminist issues right up to voting rights.

which is such a useless thing to say


"yea, i basically understand what's REALLY going on but your guys don't and ur stuff is stupid"

That's the point of discourse. Covering nipples up also goes much deeper than just covering nipples up and is distinctly different from censorship but equally important. If you think the whole idea is only valuable when viewed as an issue of censorship then you've missed the point.

^You're assuming I'm making some kind of judgement. Straight men are naturally attracted to breasts to some degree. biology and shit. But a huge amount of our views and preferences are from cultural influence. That's just how it is, in my opinion. It doesn't make your nipple preference any different from another person's preference on a different subject. In this kind of setting I'll bring up social construction and shit. If someone just likes nipples a lot then I'm like "k koo". We're "programmed" to do everything. I don't think that makes anything less meaningful or makes life deterministic.
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#32
Is everything we like and find sexually attractive in women because we have been programmed to and/or it's taboo? If everyone was naked all the time, which part of the human female body would we instinctively find sexually attractive?
#33
Nah, it's not useless at all in this case. For it to be taken seriously people have to realise to a certain extent that their world view is determined by the system they live in and not by themselves, which is great. What's not great is that this isn't done with any kind of systematic reasoning because people immediately drop of this pseudophilosophical revelation when it comes to practically every other aspect of their life, which is why the campaign is useless.

They accept the existence of ideology just long enough to rationalise a specific element of their frustration but then completely ignore it after that so that they never develop any real understanding of the problem. They think they're stitching up an open wound when actually they're just kissing it to make it better.

In short people should be Marxists, or something else that actually gives a theory about all this shit instead of just mindlessly trying to fix random aspects of society as if they were just isolated bubbles of 'badness' which you can fix by doing the opposite of what you're expected to do.


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da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
#34
Once nipples/breasts are exposed on a regular basis, people become desensitized to them. They will no longer carry as large of a sexual notation as they do now. It is something that with time will become normal and no one will bat an eye at it.

Honestly, not really a big deal to show off the upper chest area. The only thing that makes it sexual is the intent and action behind it. Not really a big deal to see some lady on TV with her shirt off as long as some guy isn't sitting there licking them or something. If it were a shot of her walking down the street or at a beach, who cares?
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#35
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Nah, it's not useless at all in this case. For it to be taken seriously people have to realise to a certain extent that their world view is determined by the system they live in and not by themselves, which is great. What's not great is that this isn't done with any kind of systematic reasoning because people immediately drop of this pseudophilosophical revelation when it comes to practically every other aspect of their life, which is why the campaign is useless.

They accept the existence of ideology just long enough to rationalise a specific element of their frustration but then completely ignore it after that so that they never develop any real understanding of the problem. They think they're stitching up an open wound when actually they're just kissing it to make it better.

In short people should be Marxists, or something else that actually gives a theory about all this shit instead of just mindlessly trying to fix random aspects of society as if they were just isolated bubbles of 'badness' which you can fix by doing the opposite of what you're expected to do.

"stop caring about things that i dont care about if you dont care about the same things i care about you are wrong and stupid"

sounds like a communist to me.
#36
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Nah, it's not useless at all in this case. For it to be taken seriously people have to realise to a certain extent that their world view is determined by the system they live in and not by themselves, which is great. What's not great is that this isn't done with any kind of systematic reasoning because people immediately drop of this pseudophilosophical revelation when it comes to practically every other aspect of their life, which is why the campaign is useless.

They accept the existence of ideology just long enough to rationalise a specific element of their frustration but then completely ignore it after that so that they never develop any real understanding of the problem. They think they're stitching up an open wound when actually they're just kissing it to make it better.

In short people should be Marxists, or something else that actually gives a theory about all this shit instead of just mindlessly trying to fix random aspects of society as if they were just isolated bubbles of 'badness' which you can fix by doing the opposite of what you're expected to do.
The fact that you said this shows how seriously ignorant you are about this stuff. I really don't care if you disagree with it or not but there is a shit ton of formalized academic and philosophical work. There has been for over 50 years at least if you're going for modern stuff. You do realize where the big mindless activism stuff comes from right? It filters down from the huge amount of scholarship and theoretical discourse. It's just like how the dumb 16 year olds call themselves socialists or marxists without knowing much about the material behind it. Same thing with the stereotypical tumblr activism.
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#37
#freealldongers


I'm sick of having to hide mine. Also if women get to breastfeed in public I get to shit in the middle of public. Both are natural and necessary for survival.
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I'm sick of having to hide mine. Also if women get to breastfeed in public I get to shit in the middle of public. Both are natural and necessary for survival.

If you clean up that shit yourself I have no problem. If you don't then the analogy is ****ed up cause the women don't squirt their milk on the ground. So you would be vandalizing public property, whereas they don't.
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#39
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I'm sick of having to hide mine. Also if women get to breastfeed in public I get to shit in the middle of public. Both are natural and necessary for survival.


If you can do it without it becoming a public health hazard, I'm fine with that. Anything that helps you be less full of shit is probably a good thing...
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#40
Trust me Fat Lard I care about this shit. I never said they should stop doing it, I just think they're gonna fail horribly.

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The fact that you said this shows how seriously ignorant you are about this stuff.

Yeah, I'm just a poor ignorant idiot who is using this opportunity to rebel against the man.

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I really don't care if you disagree with it or not but there is a shit ton of formalized academic and philosophical work. There has been for over 50 years at least if you're going for modern stuff.

The work is far from unified or agreeing with each other. There is a branch of it that deals with this stuff very well and has the luxury of agreeing with a greater, much more recognized theory. What can you tell me about the ties between feminism and Marxism?

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You do realize where the big mindless activism stuff comes from right? It filters down from the huge amount of scholarship and theoretical discourse.

Yep. And an insane part of that theoretical discourse leads right back to Marxism for a reason. I'm not saying that feminism is a joke, I'm saying that once you sever its ties with Marxism just to make it more appealing to the public, you rob it of its greatest strength.

If you want me to use your own example, just as I think that socialists who don't understand Marx are useless and will never be a relevant part of socialism, I think that these wannabe feminists will never be useful or achieve anything of worth because no matter how righteous the cause behind their pet theory, they're just a bunch of headless chickens running around and making noise so that the feminists worth listening to can't be heard.


Gozd in gora poj,
silen ženimo hrup,
uboga gmajna, le vpup, le vkup,
le vkup, le vkup z menoj,
staro pravdo v mrak tulimo,
da se pretulimo skozi to zimo
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