#1
But the difference between, say, .45 and .46 on the low e doesn't even seem to make a difference?
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#2
.09 to .10 is a much greater change percentage wise than .45 to .46

Edit: For clarity, there's a 10.5% difference in the first, only a 2.2% difference in the second.

IMO, there really isn't that much difference tonally either way, but others will disagree.
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Last edited by Arby911 at Apr 2, 2015,
#3
This might be because of the bending. You bend on 9's a lot and you get used to that. You start with 10's and it fells a tad weird.
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#4
Well I actually prefer 10s, the difference I feel when I play 9s is that the 9 is really loose feeling and harder to control when doing any kind of bending technique or fast picking.

I see what Arby911 is saying though with the "percentage change" as opposed to just looking at whole numbers
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#5
I moved up to 11s for a bit more relief (weird truss rod) and ended up loving them. I feel that 9's are almost too easy to play. Same with super low action, you lose some of that digging in feeling.
#6
been using .09s for many years. i don't have super low action as i do like to feel some string under my fingers. can't say i've noticed a huge diff when using .10s though bends might be a little stiffer but not that big of a deal. .11 on the other hand in E standard are tough.
#7
Like Arby said, its a question percentages, or ratios of one to the other.
I went to .10's ages ago because I broke .09's on a regular basis.
#8
Quote by Arby911
.09 to .10 is a much greater change percentage wise than .45 to .46

Edit: For clarity, there's a 10.5% difference in the first


Actually it's 11.11111111111111111111111111% (approx.)
#9
Quote by Arby911
.09 to .10 is a much greater change percentage wise than .45 to .46

Edit: For clarity, there's a 10.5% difference in the first, only a 2.2% difference in the second.

IMO, there really isn't that much difference tonally either way, but others will disagree.


Exactly this. Just to expand upon this with another example: Take a .10 and a .20 string. That's a difference of .1 which, in this case, is doubling the string thickness. But then there's a .42 and a .52. Also a difference of .1, but in this case that's nowhere near a doubling of thickness.

Point is, the bigger strings you're looking at, the bigger the size difference has to be to have a tangible effect on how it feels. That's why you get a drastic difference in feel at all three points when you try a .08, a .09, and a .10, but when you look at the low strings, you've gotta move up to a .50 or .52 to get a significant difference in feel from a .46.
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#10
because .01 is more than you think.
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because .01 is more than you think.

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#13
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Actually it's 11.11111111111111111111111111% (approx.)


You are conflating percentage difference and percentage change, 2 different things.
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#15
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No.


Have a nice day, I have neither the time nor the inclination to give you a basic mathematics lesson.
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#16
Damn

edit: I actually looked it up, but it's too complicated, so 11.11111% it is
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#17
You're focusing on the physical dimensions though. You need to look at the string tension.
http://www.daddario.com/DADProductFamily.Page?ActiveID=3768&familyid=1
(click "family tension chart")

EXL-110 (10's) on high E is 16.2 pounds, while EXL-120 (9's) are only 13.14. (11's are 19.63 pounds)

(16.2 - 13.14) / 13.14 = 23.3% increase in tension from 9's to 10s. (same as an 18.9% reduction from 16.2 pounds)

--edit - 17% on the 6th string, plus it digs into your finger less.
Last edited by black_box at Apr 5, 2015,
#18
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You're focusing on the physical dimensions though. You need to look at the string tension.
http://www.daddario.com/DADProductFamily.Page?ActiveID=3768&familyid=1
(click "family tension chart")

EXL-110 (10's) on high E is 16.2 pounds, while EXL-120 (9's) are only 13.14. (11's are 19.63 pounds)

(16.2 - 13.14) / 13.14 = 23.3% increase in tension from 9's to 10s. (same as an 18.9% reduction from 16.2 pounds)

--edit - 17% on the 6th string, plus it digs into your finger less.


+1

i am sure that there is a lot of calculus involved. i haven't been in college for four years now, and only took business directed calc. no deep physics or calc for me.

i however would like to see the equations though and am curious.
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because .01 is more than you think.


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You're focusing on the physical dimensions though. You need to look at the string tension.
http://www.daddario.com/DADProductFamily.Page?ActiveID=3768&familyid=1
(click "family tension chart")

EXL-110 (10's) on high E is 16.2 pounds, while EXL-120 (9's) are only 13.14. (11's are 19.63 pounds)

(16.2 - 13.14) / 13.14 = 23.3% increase in tension from 9's to 10s. (same as an 18.9% reduction from 16.2 pounds)

--edit - 17% on the 6th string, plus it digs into your finger less.


How can this chart be accurate for all guitars? Doesn't tension depend on the scale length of the guitar as well?
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#21
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How can this chart be accurate for all guitars? Doesn't tension depend on the scale length of the guitar as well?


there a a lot of different variables. it is probably as close as you will likely find, and it may not be exact on every situation, but you see the trends and relative patterns.
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#22
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How can this chart be accurate for all guitars? Doesn't tension depend on the scale length of the guitar as well?


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#25
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How can this chart be accurate for all guitars? Doesn't tension depend on the scale length of the guitar as well?

You didn't ask for an accurate estimate of string tension on any specific guitar or string combination, but presumably those numbers are for a 25.5" scale guitar. Find the string tension specs for whatever strings you may want on your scale length and compare them. Or spend $20 on a few sets of strings and see which ones feel and sound good to you.