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#1
Hello.

I am currently using a 15 watt solid state amp which is loud enough to suit my purposes but I would like a tube amp. There are various 5 watt tube amps I am considering purchasing, but I am unsure if they will be loud enough- although I've heard they are more efficient.

With that in mind, how loud will a medium gain 5w tube amp be in comparison to a 15 watt solid state amp.

Thanks I'm advance for replies.
#2
Would be about the same. Tube amps aren't really louder, they just ''feel louder'' thanks to the harmonics or some BS like that.

Perhaps the tube amp would be a tad louder.

Oh, and a question, what amp do you have now?
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#4
Go for an Epi Valve Junior and a Digitech Bad Monkey.
Much cheaper and much better than both.
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Look used. They're not made anymore. About 80 Euros.

Where do you live?
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#7
UK. I can find a combo for about £50 which is great, but we're you referring to the stack version?
#8
Does it have to be 5w? Maybe consider something bigger, like a Jet City or a Laney.
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Would be about the same. Tube amps aren't really louder, they just ''feel louder'' thanks to the harmonics or some BS like that.

Perhaps the tube amp would be a tad louder.

Oh, and a question, what amp do you have now?


great explanation

ok a 5 watt tube amp won't really be louder than your current amp. what it will do is still sound good at a much higher volume. the BS that Fryd was referring to has to do with your hearing and the perception of the sound. tube amps have what is known as even order harmonix which are pleasing to the ear. SS amps tend to have odd ordr harmonix which aren't as pleasing to the ear. once the amp is pushed past it's max clean level they start to distort. in the case of a tube amp the distortion sounds good whereas the SS ones sound harsh. this is a basic explaination and there is more to it that has to do with hearing perception. wattage is only part of the picture.

i practice with a 50 watt tube amp all the time. sounds fine at low volume. there is much misunderstanding of how amps work that leads many to believe that you can't use a tube amp at low volumes. sure a cranked amp will sound a certain way that is harder to duplicate at low volumes but it's not impossible. power amp distortion does sound a little different than preamp distortion and requiers the power amp section to be driven hard (usually meaning loud). cool but unecessesary for practice.
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UK. I can find a combo for about £50 which is great, but we're you referring to the stack version?

I'd get a head+cab.
The 8 inch speaker is pretty crappy.
For a cab you can look on thomann for a Harley Benton 1x12 Vintage,
http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_g112vintage.htm
1x12, vintage 30 speaker.

Or this
http://www.thomann.de/pl/harley_benton_g212_vintage.htm
2x12 this is closed back. The 1x12 is open.

http://www.thomann.de/pl/digitech_bad_monkey.htm
Bad monkey overdrive. The Valve junior only has a clean channel, so you'd need this for your distorted stuff.


All this would cost you about 150 quid for the 1x12 , or about 220 for the 2x12
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#11
Definitely not, but I'm playing mainly in my bedroom with the occasional small gig, so I don't want anything too loud. Price is also a bit of an issue for me. (Answering the question about it having to be 5watt)
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#12
Epi valve jr only has a volume knob and isn't recomended for any type of hard rock or metal playing. it lacks tone controls and is a very limited amp.
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Definitely not, but I'm playing mainly in my bedroom with the occasional small gig, so I don't want anything too loud. Price is also a bit of an issue for me.


I use a 120w tube amp in my bedroom (and other places as well). Basically most medium gain - high gain (preamp distortion) amps will sound fairly good at low levels.

What's your budget and what kind of music?
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Definitely not, but I'm playing mainly in my bedroom with the occasional small gig, so I don't want anything too loud. Price is also a bit of an issue for me. (Answering the question about it having to be 5watt)


5 watt amp will be really tough to hear over a drummer just so you know.

Budget location and style of music played
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Go for an Epi Valve Junior and a Digitech Bad Monkey.
Much cheaper and much better than both.


Killer combo, just what I use in my man cave, plus a Boss LS-2, a Boss SD-1 (great complement to the BM), a T-Rex Reverb and a compressor.

I did bright-mod mine though, it was too warm for my tastes.
#17
My budget is up to about £180 ( tough for a tube amp ik ). I'm living in the UK and I'm playing mostly classic/hard rock and heavy blues.
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My budget is up to about £180 ( tough for a tube amp ik ). I'm living in the UK and I'm playing mostly classic/hard rock and heavy blues.

For blues I doubt you'd need more gain than that Bad Monkey has.

And the open back 1x12 would be perfect. Like I said previously, a killer rig for 150 quid.
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My budget is up to about £180 ( tough for a tube amp ik ). I'm living in the UK and I'm playing mostly classic/hard rock and heavy blues.


Is it possible to save up a bit more? You're not going to get much for that price. Another £50-100 should get you a decent head and a 1/2x12 or a combo.
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#21
the Bugera V22 used may fall in your price range and would work well for what you play. not sure what UK prices are like for certain amps but you may be able to find a Laney used or perhaps a Traynor. my usual recommendation is the Peavey valveking but those aren't as common in the UK from what i understand
#22
I think a used Bugera or Jet City would be OP's best bet.
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I think a used Bugera or Jet City would be OP's best bet.


Yep. If available.


As to the original question, a watt is a watt and it doesn't matter how it's generated.

Now, a tube amp can go over its rating without sounding like ass, so everything isn't exactly equal and also it's common for tube amps to be used with higher efficiency speakers, giving more volume at a given wattage.

But everything else being equal, a watt is a watt.
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#28
In our rehearsal room we had a Crate GX65 (65 watt solid state) and Peavey 6505+ 112 (60 watt tube). Peavey was maybe about 1.5 times louder. It was a really noticeable difference.
#29
Not sure what your needs are, but here's my recommendation.

If you're not convinced that you want a tube amp, look into a small Vox Valvetronix, like the vt20+. They are awesome amps. They are NOT tube. However, they are awesome little modeling amps that can replicate tube sounds very well, as well as other types of amps. I think a new vt20+ runs for about $220, american. This small of an amp won't cut it for gigs, but it will hold up in a jam and for practicing.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, this amp is pretty darn good for rock and blues.
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#30
Just my input on the epi valve, it isn't a very good bedroom amp. It doesn't sound great at low volumes, even though its five watts. The idea with a 5 watt amp is to crank it and get some powertube saturation without shaking your house off the foundation. That's just my opinion though, don't take my word for it, try it yourself.

Really, don't worry too much about the wattage. Make sure the amp sounds good at the volumes you plan to use it at and go from there. Some amps only sound good when they're cranked and some sound fine at all volumes. Wattage is a factor, but certainly not the deciding one.
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#34
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From the front end probably, but I've read their fx loop isn't so great. But I think it may have been fixed on the 22, not sure.

Don't take my word for any of that though.

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I found a laney cub 12r for a good price nearby. Is this a good amp?


Eh, it's ok but the Jet City will be much better.
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#35
Also, a different amp with the same wattage can have much different volume. I once had a 15w Roland SS amp which was brutally loud.
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Just my input on the epi valve, it isn't a very good bedroom amp. It doesn't sound great at low volumes, even though its five watts. The idea with a 5 watt amp is to crank it and get some powertube saturation without shaking your house off the foundation. That's just my opinion though, don't take my word for it, try it yourself.

Really, don't worry too much about the wattage. Make sure the amp sounds good at the volumes you plan to use it at and go from there. Some amps only sound good when they're cranked and some sound fine at all volumes. Wattage is a factor, but certainly not the deciding one.

With a pedal in front, the Epi Valve Jr makes a perfect bedroom amp.
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#37
5 watts will still be pretty loud for playing alone if cranked. It is doable, but it will be pretty loud. If you are after power tube distortion, get an amp that has a built in attenuator. For example Marshall Class 5 can be operated at 5 watts or 0.1 watts, and Vox AC4 can be operated at 4 watts, 1 watt or 0.25 watts. The 0.1 watt mode is perfect for bedroom playing. You can crank it up and it won't piss anybody off. There was a video of Rob Chapman playing a Class 5 on a gig and you could hear it over the rest of the band (I don't know how loud the band was, though). But if you are playing in a loud band, something more powerful would be reasonable. A 5 watt amp can be heard over a drummer, but you won't have any cleans. And it depends on the band you are playing in - if you have a loud drummer, 5 watts won't be enough. You will be miced on a gig, but I think it's nice to be able to be heard over a drummer without being miced.


Yeah, wattage doesn't really tell about how the amp works at bedroom volumes. Don't just look it on a paper - try a bunch of amps at bedroom volumes and a bit louder volumes and listen. If it sounds good, it doesn't matter if it's 10 or 100 watts. Of course if you are planning to gig, you want the amp to be powerful enough (I think 30 watts should be enough for most situations).
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Just my input on the epi valve, it isn't a very good bedroom amp. It doesn't sound great at low volumes, even though its five watts. The idea with a 5 watt amp is to crank it and get some powertube saturation without shaking your house off the foundation. That's just my opinion though, don't take my word for it, try it yourself.

Really, don't worry too much about the wattage. Make sure the amp sounds good at the volumes you plan to use it at and go from there. Some amps only sound good when they're cranked and some sound fine at all volumes. Wattage is a factor, but certainly not the deciding one.


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Go for an Epi Valve Junior and a Digitech Bad Monkey.
Much cheaper and much better than both.


Did I seriously see someone recommend a digitech? OMG...I didn't know things have gotten so bad in the world. a Tube amp has about 3 times as much "moving power" as a SS amp. with a SS amp you cant crank it up without having it sound like crap. a tube amp you can. But honestly I don't see the logic in practicing with a tube amp. yes it'll be a little louder and clearer. But do you really NEED it to be louder???
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